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Forgot something did you Wargaming?

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Just to get her in game...make her a tier 6 with 6 defensive fighters, or the ability to use one as a spotter and the other five as fighters. Extend their circling range further, make it harder for her to get stomped by CV's. 

 

Mobile AA-Fortress at tier 6.

 

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 I am positive they will add this ship, after all they were testing Tone some time ago, but I suspect they are waiting to do their CV re-work first.

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And no, they haven't forgotten her.  She's lurking back there behind Tone and the CV revamp.

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I came here expecting Kitakami but I'm happy to take Ise instead. 

 

Just now, TabbyHopkins said:

 I am positive they will add this ship, after all they were testing Tone some time ago, but I suspect they are waiting to do their CV re-work first.

 

That's what I've read. Basically no point complicating CV + BB or CA play when CV play is still in flux. 

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It's going to be a looooooooong time before we'll see the likes of any hybrid like Ise or Tone in the game.

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Imagine six planes circling around this ship. Nothing would get close to her.

Ever.

With the limited firepower it might be a fair tradeoff if she caught fire as easily as cv's.

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3 minutes ago, Prothall said:

Imagine six planes circling around this ship. Nothing would get close to her.

Ever.

With the limited firepower it might be a fair tradeoff if she caught fire as easily as cv's.

 

The back end has a better fire chance.

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Potential options:

All spotters, so essentially continuous spotting always because there's always one ready to launch when the one "up" is on cooldown or if it is destroyed.

 

All fighters (deployed as per CV, or as a cloud around your ship; effect on attackers similar to Defensive Fire in terms of bomb/torpedo spreads).

 

Directable spotters (place and allow to orbit), with cooldown.

 

Mix?

 

If they weren't afraid to do this, they wouldn't be afraid to do British large-CA complement loadouts, including the IRL ability to attack with a torpedo.

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Direct able spotters would be a real cool idea actually...

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7 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

If they weren't afraid to do this, they wouldn't be afraid to do British large-CA complement loadouts, including the IRL ability to attack with a torpedo.

Hell, why not give us Furious as-built? A low tier CV with a single 18" secondary?

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20 minutes ago, Lert said:

Hell, why not give us Furious as-built? A low tier CV with a single 18" secondary?

That 18" secondary is going to cause a lot of flame wars when it starts one hit KOing ships randomly, or causing CV captains to brawl like morons.

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Man, I don't know...

Gimmicky ships are already power-creeping the hell out of the old lines.  Hybrid ships like these would create havoc, I think.

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1 hour ago, Prothall said:

Imagine six planes circling around this ship. Nothing would get close to her.

Ever.

Imagine it being so OP it will be impossible to balance; and then we will no longer have to listen to endless whining about another mediocre IJN BB being brought into the game.

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1 hour ago, Lert said:

Hell, why not give us Furious as-built? A low tier CV with a single 18" secondary?

I'd rather see this ship in game than those two IJN abortions; it would have the benefit of making DD players think twice about gunning down a CV as opposed to torping one.

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This looks like something a very hyper kindergarten student drew when he was accidentally given too much Ritalin.

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2 hours ago, Dr_Venture said:

Forgot something did you Wargaming?

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Just to get her in game...make her a tier 6 with 6 defensive fighters, or the ability to use one as a spotter and the other five as fighters. Extend their circling range further, make it harder for her to get stomped by CV's. 

 

Mobile AA-Fortress at tier 6.

 

portaise.jpg

Ise and Tone are both very interesting concepts of ships that we will likely NEVER see in game. Tone was tested a long time ago, but WG seems to have dropped any attempt to integrate CV mechanics into ship-to-ship combat. This, combined with the fact that they are not reworking CVs (shuffling loadouts around isn't a "CV rework", its equivalent to putting a small bandage on a very large, festering wound), makes it very unlikely these 2 ships see the light of day in the future. The only thing that we may hope for, is a premium cruiser and a battleship that can launch 2x as many spotter/fighter aircraft (which circle around it) but the ships themselves will behave like a normal cruiser/battleship.

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3 hours ago, Dr_Venture said:

Forgot something did you Wargaming?

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Just to get her in game...make her a tier 6 with 6 defensive fighters, or the ability to use one as a spotter and the other five as fighters. Extend their circling range further, make it harder for her to get stomped by CV's. 

 

Mobile AA-Fortress at tier 6.

 

portaise.jpg

Not everyone wants more BBs in the game

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Don't worry. WG will make this ship eventually - money talks.

But it will have half spotter planes and half one-use dive bombers (yes, that is the historical loadout) - NO fighters. And because WG cant seem to get over the loss of the Russo-Japanese conflict, it will be a CV only  - the main guns will be secondaries with a 8km range. lol!

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How should the Ise be classified in the game though since it is a hybrid BBCV or Aviation BB if i take how kancolle classifies them.

Taking into account Ise's actual aerial load of 14 Zuiuns and 8 Suiseis, i'm curious on how it'll be implemented and balanced for its CV aspects if added since its island is too short for the D4Y Suiseis to land while the E16A Zuiuns can be craned back to the ship. 

 

P.S Existing D4Ys in-game are tier Vlll. 

P.S E16A's initial purpose was a recon plane but could be refitted with 250lbs bombs for bomber roles so i guess the existing mechanic for choosing between scout and offensive planes can be applied.

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3 hours ago, Lert said:

Hell, why not give us Furious as-built? A low tier CV with a single 18" secondary?

Or allow us with Lexington with the 8 203s we could control.

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2 hours ago, Bolo_MkXX_Tremendous_DMD said:

The real hybrid we need is Surcouf

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(yes a sub with big guns and supposedly even a plen too)  

 

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I have no idea why no one does a documentary of that ship.  It's just begging for historians to show it off.

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