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Legislators say ‘loot boxes’ are subject to gambling laws

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This is much ado about nothing at this point and this is at least the 6th thread on this topic. Until laws are being changed or crafted this is just click bait for now.

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Relax! It'll be a law soonTM but not before Christmas. I think it will be a law about the time subs are added to WoWs...

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Oh man, did EA dun goof or did EA dun goof? Not only did they dun goof themselves, they dun goofed a large segment of the industries' current economic plans. I mean everyone was moving toward loot-box based recurring income.

 

4 minutes ago, Khafni said:

Relax! It'll be a law soonTM but not before Christmas. I think it will be a law about the time subs are added to WoWs...

I think you'll all be surprised. Remember, no one likes getting money like governments, and the reason they would want this stuff to be classified as gambling is NOT because it would protect people, but because it's extra taxable income (and typically at a higher rate). They want a piece of the pie and that will motivate legal change more than ANYTHING.

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Whether this comes into effect or not.  It is a good direction. There needs to be a more protection/safe guards for the consumers rights. 

Anyone who says otherwise, is giving them the hammer to nail the coffin. 

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12 minutes ago, Khafni said:

I think it will be a law about the time subs are added to WoWs...

OH! I cannot believe you went there! (and beat me to it!) Plus 1 Amigo!

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1 minute ago, Gen_Saris said:

In Australia. 

It doesn't have to be everywhere, just enough places where it becomes uneconomical to basically develop two different games. Imagine this: US and UK allow legally, lootboxes, and *everywhere* else does not. Also, given current trends, that the game PROGRESSION is tied to the lootboxes. Because of this, where the lootboxes are illegal/regulated heavily, that means the progression system everywhere else needs to be rebuilt and retooled, to be 'approprate' to a non-PTW... erm I mean, 'lootbox' based progression. This would extend development and patching costs as it effectively makes the two different 'games' TWO different games. Patches are not compatible, servers are not compatible. How do you have a player in Australia who got 'for free' in an appropriate amount of time what a US player had to pay to get or grind for extended periods of time? And add to that the already semi-prevalent issue of spoofing a different localization to play the 'price war' in some games, you have a recipe for a VERY expensive and complex system to implement for the developer.

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I wouldn't be too worried. Even countries with anti-gambling laws like Japan let you have random rewards for paid currency so long as you make the chances of each reward publicly and easily available. In most cases the issue is that companies aren't transparent on the odds of getting an ultra rare over a common. 

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Remember the 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not gamble unless it's horse racing because it's called racing. Duh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh auuuuuuuhhhhhhhaaaaaauuuuuuhhh meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen.

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Gambling has the potential to lose money for nothing in return. As long as the lowest value boxes provide equal compensation to what was lost, then it couldn't be considered gambling.

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1 hour ago, _RC1138 said:

 

I think you'll all be surprised. Remember, no one likes getting money like governments, and the reason they would want this stuff to be classified as gambling is NOT because it would protect people, but because it's extra taxable income (and typically at a higher rate). They want a piece of the pie and that will motivate legal change more than ANYTHING.

 

I think the Australian guy was the most realistic. Basically, "yep, we've decided that it is gambling, and needs to be treated as such, but we don't really know how to enforce it, as everything's electronic, and the companies are overseas".

 

All they can do at this point is pull physical copies from shelves. That'll stop lootboxes about as effectively as requiring proper ID at the liquor store stops underage drinking.

 

 

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Legislator: Loot boxes are gambling! They lure our kids into gambling!

Advertisement on TV: Visit Boot Hill Casino (a state-owned casino)! Fun for the whole family!

 

I.e., it's a sin unless the government can control and tax it, then it's an important revenue stream for the state.

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The Santa Crates last year, you got at least the value of the money spent. Not exactly gambling. I don't need a Nanny State to control what I do, to "protect" me from myself. What other people do with their money is not my business.

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16 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

Legislator: Loot boxes are gambling! They lure our kids into gambling!

Advertisement on TV: Visit Boot Hill Casino (a state-owned casino)! Fun for the whole family!

 

I.e., it's a sin unless the government can control and tax it, then it's an important revenue stream for the state.

 

To be fair, they aren't encouraging the kids to gamble, they're encouraging parents with kids (ie. adults) to gamble.

 

This whole thing isn't about "gambling is bad", it's about "it's bad to encourage kids to gamble". Lootboxes are like having ads for rum-filled chocolates on the Disney Channel.

 

Kids are impressionable, and can lack judgment. If I were 15 again, and my attractive 25-yr old teacher wanted to have sex, I wouldn't see a single thing wrong with "tagging that MILF", but as adults, we know that it's a pretty creepy deal, and it's illegal because of it.

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4 minutes ago, Seadog_Supreme said:

 I don't need a Nanny State to control what I do, to "protect" me from myself. What other people do with their money is not my business.

 

If you're a kid, and your parents don't protect you from yourself, who else will?

 

If you're not a kid, don't blame the legislators, blame the companies who want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to include a gambling mechanism, but not give up the revenue stream related to minors.

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4 minutes ago, Skpstr said:

 

If you're a kid, and your parents don't protect you from yourself, who else will?

 

If you're not a kid, don't blame the legislators, blame the companies who want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to include a gambling mechanism, but not give up the revenue stream related to minors.

Don't you have to be a certain age to get a credit card? If so, how are all these "kids" ruining their lives with loot boxes?

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