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It looks like a steal, at $15 for the doubloons. 

However, its stats recently have been abysmal. And I've heard some very concerning things about its guns not being very good. Is this true? (This is usually a deal breaker for me.) 

How is its armor also? 

I hear the speed is good. 

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7 minutes ago, BlailBlerg said:

It looks like a steal, at $15 for the doubloons. 

However, its stats recently have been abysmal. And I've heard some very concerning things about its guns not being very good. Is this true? (This is usually a deal breaker for me.) 

How is its armor also? 

I hear the speed is good. 

 

The armour is the only real weak point statistically, well that and AAA.

 

It's the joint most maneuverable in terms of time to turn X degrees, (tied with warspite), it has the highest pen guns in tier, it has one of the best speeds in tier. It's biggest single weakness is Kongo like armour.

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I enjoy the ship. I was hesitant when it first came out because of reviews but i was pleasantly surprised at how good she can be. As for how she compares with Warspite and Scharnhorst. I dont know if you can even compare them. Her playstyle is so different at least for me. Warspite plays like a more traditional mid range Battleship. Scharnhorst is a nasty Cruiser killer, and Dunkerque is a bow in specialist (i guess is a way to put it). 

 

Personally i dont regret my purchase of her at all. 

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The guns are good, if they behave. The layout makes the shot groupings tight, but the general accuracy is average. You get the usual wonky BB dispersion you might expect. It has a good range of 18.21km and the option to mount a spotter aircraft. The HE is good (4800 HE damage, 35% fire chance, 885m/s velocity, and the reload (27s) makes changing ammo type more of an option. The AP is very usable (9700 damage, 870m/s velocity) against cruisers and broadside anything, but don't expect long range citadels against BBs.

 

The armor is... not so good. You'd think it'd be a bowcamper, but 15' and up guns will overmatch it and give your citadel bad times. Angling at a slight angle will give the best chance to bait shots into your armor belt. In addition to the sub-par (but workable) armor, you have a 'uuuuuuge surface detection of 16.92km base, without camo. If there isn't a Fuso around, you're spotted and shot at first.

 If you've played a Nelson or Iwoa, the playstyle is very similar.

 

It is a fast boat. You can rip around at ~30kts pretty easily. It has an okay rudder (14s), but being so long, it has a large turning circle (730 m). You will eat torpedos rather well if you lack situational awareness.

 

Which leads me to...

 

The AA/secondaries are meh. While not the worst in tier... it's not bueno by any stretch. You have a lot of 130mm guns in dual or quad mounts, but the AA they give is bad, and they're all at the back, so they do you squat when danger close. The guns themselves are fine (5km range, 1900 HE damage, 9% fire chance, 12 rpm, 840m/s velocity) if the can shoot at something, but you've really, really screwed the pooch if they get a serious workout. Or are some kind of mad genius (who is still about to die)

 

Hope this helps... will review later.

 

Quick edit:

 

In comparison to the other tier VI premium BBs, Arizona and Warspite, you gane RoF, fire chance, speed, and gun range over them. Both ships are more accurate, turn better and faster, and hit much, much harder. However, they have to expose much more broadside than the Dunk to get those shots off. They also have the same overmatch weakess versus 15' guns as well.

 

 

The speed and gun layout determine the ship's play style. You want to stay at range, near your cruisers, and pelt the enemy BBs with HE, or the enemy cruisers with AP. Getting close means death. Getting isolated wth enemy CVs around is death. Stay with fast boats and give them some support.  (Honestly, I've done HE only games with Demo Expert with some amusing results. RIP enemy BBs Damage Cons.) 

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1 hour ago, BlailBlerg said:

Also, how does it compare to Scharnhorst and Warspite? 

Both Warspite and Scharnhorst are better ships. 

 

Dunkerque isnt a terrible ship but its also not amazing, its a middle of the road. Its sure one of the most fun ships to play. 

 

The main problem IMO are the guns, they are very troll, one salvo is a dev strike, the other your shells fly every where, they arent reliable. Warspite has much more accurated guns and Scharnhorst has faster reload. 

 

The good thing is that both HE and AP shells are very good, good pen for AP and fire chance for HE, and the speed is amazing só its a very versatile ship even when botton tier vs T8. 

 

If you want a fun ship, Dunk is really fun (and versatile ship). If you want a carry ship Warspite is better.

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I like the Dunk. It's nice and fast, and since it has forward firepower, you can stay mostly bow on and the you really only have to fear torpedoes, and 15" guns and only 4 ships have those at tier 6 (Bayern, Warspite, Mutsu, and Queen Elizabeth). I find that I can mitigate damage very well with the ship.

The guns are a bit of a mixed bag in some ways. They aren't really that accurate and you only have 8 barrels. Those are the worse 2 bits. You also can't overmatch very well because 330mm is too small for that. In trade off, they  have great velocity, the AP shells have really high penetration (you just have to make sure the angle isn't too much or else you bounce) and for times when AP can't penetrate the HE rounds are pretty good.

Her AA is weak, but apparently if you invest in AA skills it actually gets really, really good because most of the AA power is in the 130mm DP guns. I've never tried doing that, but apparently it is a thing some people do.

 

I would say that the Scharnhorst is certainly a better ship, but the Scharnhorst is also a tier 7 and also borderline over powered. The Warspite is a better ship too, but not by as much as one would think probably. I really, really like the Warspite, but it's principle advantages over Dunk are the 15" guns (If you're a good shot they are hella accurate and they can overmatch things) and the fact that Warspite plays like a normal battleships where as Dunk plays like Dunk and if you don't play Dunk and you don't enjoy Dunk's screwy playstyle you probably will really struggle with Dunk.

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I've played a few games in it.  As others have said, it's okay but not great.  And given there are no main guns on the afterdeck, it plays different than traditional BB's.  Warspite and Scharn are better BB's.  But the Dunkin Donut doesn't play like a BB.  It's kind of unique with its gun layout.  I doubt I would have bought it at full boat price.  But the discount made it worth a try.  Also gives me a premium to train French captains.  Yes, it's a BB and the rest of the line are cruisers.  But a cruiser captain build wouldn't be awful for this ship. 

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As President of the Dunk fanclub, its great is you play it right.  Its not for everyone.

The guns, personally I find them much better than say, the Bayern.  It can hit hard, and fast, but don't expect it to take the hit like other BBs.  Of all T6 BBs, I place it just behind the Arizona as best in the tier and above the NM.

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Dunkerque has a ton of armor that can be overmatched by 380mm+ guns. Dunk is reasonably tanky vs Fuso, Arizona, new mexico and such, but Warspite and Bayern will go through your armor like it isn't even there. Because of this, Dunkerque suffers greatly being up tiered.

 

The guns themselves are also very inconsistent. They don't perform as well as you would hope, just really inaccurate. The handling is great because of the turret placement, but it is a struggle to do damage sometimes. 

 

That's the gist of it. Paper armor vs overmatch capable guns, and the guns don't work right. Warspite has a similar issue with armor, but a much better repair party and those guns are extremely powerful and accurate. 

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It's a fun ship, not great, but fun.  It's pretty fast and maneuverable, AA isn't great, and the armor is not strong... but then you don't need to ever show your sids to anyone.

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warspite murders her with every salvo and cvs murder you as well, though it is good vs dds and...omaha's

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She's great for training in anticipation of future French BB. Mine was contained within a SC, therefore my opinion of the ship is slightly biased. Really do enjoy playing her but like the (free via a SC) De Grasse much, much more. 

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Warspite plays like your traditional battleship. Scharnhorst is a raider who picks on smaller targets, but still similar playstyle, albeit faster and with torps. Dunkerque? She's harder to play. Her weak armour will make you cringe every time a BB salvo strikes your broadside. Her shells have great velocity, but can miss the mark here and there at long ranges, sometimes even at medium. Her AA is abysmal and you will always want a stronger AA boat nearby, lest you eat an aerial torpedo buffet. She also has the unfortunate tendency to catch fire. A lot.

Despite all these short-comings, I still have more games in the Dunkerque than the Warspite and Scharnhorst combined.

I feel it really comes down to how you like to play. If you like slugging it out like other battleships, Dunkerque isn't the ship for that. She's the battleship for cruiser players. Your guns will destroy other cruisers and can ruin a spotted destroyer's day because of just how much easier it is to aim them thanks to the shell velocity. She can dodge torpedoes better than most others, especially with the steering gears mod, and bow on, she can take great punishment. I remember chasing a North Carolina and having his shells bounce off me while I poured HE into him, cackling to myself. Her gun arrangement, while only having eight barrels, is more comfortable to play and switching targets in the thick of things is less of a hassle. The real trick is to play to her strengths. She's a cruiser at heart. Use her speed and ridiculous turning to dodge incoming fire, while keeping your guns singing. Positioning is key. Only go bow on if it feels safe to do so. Atlanta's love a stationary Dunkerque.

Like others have pointed out, the Warspite and Scharnhorst are better boats. Warspite can take hits and has fantastic guns, Scharnhorst is versatile and forgiving to play. But to me, the Dunkerque is just more fun.

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Not a bad ship but I'd take Warspite or Bayern any day instead. Also like Scharnhost and think it's a better ship, though they do not compare as they are different tiers and very different laystyle.

Only use it when I need to help some French captains along.

 

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The Dunk doesn't play like a typical BB, or a CA, which is why its harder to play.

But in the right hands, it can beat any T6 BB one on one, which I've done plenty.  I've taken out a full health Bayern in three salvos.

In a way she plays like a better armed, armored, and faster Graf Spee, but without the torps.

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4 hours ago, BlailBlerg said:

Also, how does it compare to Scharnhorst and Warspite? 

All three ships have a different playstyle. The only problem I had with Dunk was getting used to having all the main guns forward but since I got used to that, I do pretty good with her. Dunk's a lot tougher than some folks believe. She's also a great firestarter, I use HE about 90% of the time when I play her. The AP is brutal on targets who're kind enough to display their sides to Dunk. She was my primary ship during the last ranked season. Dunk's a Gud Bote.  :cap_like:

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The Aoba/Omaha of BBs, A decent fire starter before the British BB line came out and is the earliest of the tank destroyer like warships you will/may get to play. Well you can buy it before you can earn the Iowa or Yamato anyways. It doesn't pack the same punch or heal as much as the Warspite, and it may not have the diversity and torpedo power that the shiny horse has, but it's fun to play and fun to see destroyers die when you wiggle your tush at them (Or die in one shot to the power of your eight barrels). Guns also rotate at a decent speed (Lots better than the Warspite) and gets great angles when shooting left or right.

 

That said its arguably the easiest to kill of the three when not angling and knocking out one of its two 4 barrel guns (Though doesn't happen as much) can pose an issue. Warspite can also somewhat get around the turret rotation issue by turning the ship, but you know, at the risk of exposing more of your side.

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Wish I never bought it.  If I had got it in a SC, fine, but no way would I spend $$ or doubloons on it having experienced it.  It *can* be fun, just like you *can* get Super Containers.  In fact, my best ranked game was with a Dunk - not my best BB ranked battle, my best in any class.  It's meh in pretty much every department, but I find extricating yourself once you're in a bad spot the sum of all her weaknesses.  Best buff they could do for her would be to down tier to 5.  Kongo is probably a better ship. 

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I got my only post Beta Kraken in Dunkerque.  It’s guns are fine.

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Disclaimer: I do not own Dunkerque, but I did experience playing with (and against) this ship in the last ranked season all the way to rank 1.  It was all tier six, and I can tell you that having one on my team was a liability, and having one on enemy team made it easier to win.  However, ranked games have their own meta, it has less cruisers and is quite heavy on hard hitting BBs, Dunkerque did not do so good in BB vs BB meta.  It did not help that everyone would target Dunkerque over other BB targets, because of how vulnerable it is.

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I like her she is one of my best at tier 6 QE beats her but has only 5 battles compared to 105 for Dunkerque.

PFSB506.png Dunkerque 6 BB france.svg France 105 54.29% 52,639 1,407 1.4 0.9 1.1 36% 29% 0% 1,054
PASB506.png Arizona 6 BB usa.svg USA 79 55.70% 48,820 1,368 2.1 1.0 1.1 52% 23% 0% 980
PJSB006.png Fuso 6 BB japan_wows.svg Japan 66 51.52% 44,826 1,234 1.8 0.8 0.8 53% 19% 0% 1,012
PASB034.png New Mexico 6 BB usa.svg USA 57 50.88% 29,146 1,079 1.1 0.5 0.7 51% 17% 0% 782
PBSB002.png Warspite 6 BB uk.svg UK 44 45.45% 41,625 1,288 1.2 0.8 1.0 36% 27% 0% 901
PGSB106.png Bayern 6 BB germany.svg Germany 40 40.00% 47,276 1,223 1.3 0.8 1.1 40% 26% 0% 990
PJSB506.png Mutsu 6 BB japan_wows.svg Japan 32 50.00% 54,225 1,324 0.8 0.6 0.3 25% 23% 19% 998
PBSB106.png Queen Elizabeth 6 BB uk.svg UK 5 60.00% 54,548 1,385 2.3 1.4 2.6 40% 30% 0% 1,320

 

 

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