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Hello, im fairly new to World of Warships and i am a level 12 captain as of the 20th of November of 2017

I recently purchased the Graf Spee and i have encountered some problems in almost every match that are my fault, the main problem being that i dont know how to keep my ship alive, the Graf Spee has mediocre armor and only 39k hitpoints so it goes down fast, i would like to be taught new tactics and moves to keep myself afoat longer.

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While it may seem like a small battleship, you should avoid playing like one. Stay at range with teammates, and show broadside as little as possible. But with the interesting armor scheme that it has, when the time comes, you can brawl other ships fairly well, as graf has good torpedo angles and range for a cruiser. You have to pick your targets carefully though, because if you cant insta-delete the enemy ship, you will not have the DPM to kill them quickly. Finally, avoid destroyer hunting as much as possible, you don't have the best guns for this, but always shoot the little buggers if you can!

 

TLDR, kite with allies, and choose when to charge carefully. Graf Spee isn't the most amazing ship, but you can make it work!

 

Also great name ^^

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What you need is a video of people playing the Graf Spee and someone giving a in-depth review of her play style.

Oh, hey someone already has. 

 

 

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your punching way above your tier level of experience. stick with the lower tiers till you get comfortable with standard techniques of battle. Take your graf out in co-op for fun, but wait until you are competent enough for higher tiers...

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It's not what you wanna hear I am sure, but with only 77 battles you shouldn't be playing t6. Graf Spee is a capable ship but it's not the easiest and its in a trick tier. I recommend playing some german cruiser low tier and slowly work your way up to t6. Then give the Spee another try.

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Try not to be at the front line. Keep one or two friendly ships between you and the enemies if possible. Don't sail your ship in a straight line without changing speed (you will eat torps), and also remember "Thou shalt not sail <your ship name> broadside to a battleship" (you will get one shotted).

 

I would suggest thats you play with another experienced player(s) in a division and follow their advice.  What your are going through is considered a normal "learning curve". Watch reply of the match and you will be beginning to understand dos and donts.

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She is a good ship from what I have gathered from others but can be difficult to play. She's basically a pocket Battleship if I'm not mistaken. Your going to want to avoid real battleships like they are the plague because when they see you they are going to take the shot. Your bigger and slower then other cruisers and squishy, you are basically a BBs wet dream sorry for the reference. Your target is other cruisers and sometimes DDs if there are no other cruisers.

 

I personally wouldn't tell you to go play other ships until you get more experience because I can't think of any that would play like her she is unique and the best way to get better at ship is to play that ship also tier 6 is a good tier to learn in to me, you still get the fast paste gameplay for the lower tiers but now with better players yet not as much of the camping from the higher tiers.

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2 hours ago, CommanderPrinzEugen said:

Hello, im fairly new to World of Warships and i am a level 12 captain as of the 20th of November of 2017

I recently purchased the Graf Spee and i have encountered some problems in almost every match that are my fault, the main problem being that i dont know how to keep my ship alive, the Graf Spee has mediocre armor and only 39k hitpoints so it goes down fast, i would like to be taught new tactics and moves to keep myself afoat longer.

It is a cruiser not a battleship or even a battle cruiser. It has large battleship gun but that is it.

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There were two threads which came up recently which addressed your problem. You may want to take a look at them:

 

Note that I don't own the Spee, but overall my impression is that it is a cruiser-killer. As such, you want to use your ship's armour against cruisers by angling, while avoiding engagements with BBs whenever possible. If you have no choice but to fight a BB, then use islands, smoke and distance to conceal and protect yourself. 39k health is pretty awesome for a tier 6 cruiser, and the Spee's armour is also unusually good (again, relative to cruisers). As long as you don't get yourself into brawls with BBs or eat a face full of torps, you should do ok.

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3 hours ago, CommanderPrinzEugen said:

Hello, im fairly new to World of Warships and i am a level 12 captain as of the 20th of November of 2017

I recently purchased the Graf Spee and i have encountered some problems in almost every match that are my fault, the main problem being that i dont know how to keep my ship alive, the Graf Spee has mediocre armor and only 39k hitpoints so it goes down fast, i would like to be taught new tactics and moves to keep myself afoat longer.

It's one of my favorite ships difficult to learn and those torpedoes has great launching  angles  with good range 

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Your money, your game...

But this seems to be an epidemic lately...people with hardly any battles, buying a premium of higher tier, and then getting whipped like a red headed stepchild...:Smile_teethhappy:

You really aren't doing yourself any favors by jumping ahead, working the tiers is a good learning experience in basic ship play...and bypassing it to jump up simply leaves you in a position to get slammed.

Again, it's just a game, and you are welcome to do as you wish, but I would highly recommend playing more games at lower tier, if you're really interested in improving....

Good luck.

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4 hours ago, CommanderPrinzEugen said:

Hello, im fairly new to World of Warships and i am a level 12 captain as of the 20th of November of 2017

I recently purchased the Graf Spee and i have encountered some problems in almost every match that are my fault, the main problem being that i dont know how to keep my ship alive, the Graf Spee has mediocre armor and only 39k hitpoints so it goes down fast, i would like to be taught new tactics and moves to keep myself afoat longer.

GS has the best armor and health pool of any tier 6 Cruiser. She has a unique playstyle due to her armament and that's what takes getting used to. I recommend that you practice a lot in Co-Op before you jump into the shark tank with her.

 

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On 11/20/2017 at 8:08 PM, awiggin said:

Your money, your game...

But this seems to be an epidemic lately...people with hardly any battles, buying a premium of higher tier, and then getting whipped like a red headed stepchild...:Smile_teethhappy:

You really aren't doing yourself any favors by jumping ahead, working the tiers is a good learning experience in basic ship play...and bypassing it to jump up simply leaves you in a position to get slammed.

Again, it's just a game, and you are welcome to do as you wish, but I would highly recommend playing more games at lower tier, if you're really interested in improving....

Good luck.

What he said^.  Just my experience but I wager it's mostly valid. Those first 500 games have a brutal learning curve regardless what you play. It's even more painful in CA's and slow BB's as disengaging, getting unspotted is more difficult. Training room and Coop mode are good for learning how the ship and her guns handle. If you can division with someone with more experience, who isn't a goon, that will help. I've found Graf can be devastating(as can any cruiser or BB) when paired with a good DD player to scout/screen for her. I can imagine Graf paired with a Gallant could be quite fun when both were working together and competently skippered. . You will have very bad games a lot of mediocre games and some insane games in her. Go read Little White Mouses' review of the Graf Spee. The Graf Spee is very a quirky girl, but fun.  

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On 21/11/2017 at 0:43 AM, senseNOTmade said:

There were two threads which came up recently which addressed your problem. You may want to take a look at them:

 

Note that I don't own the Spee, but overall my impression is that it is a cruiser-killer. As such, you want to use your ship's armour against cruisers by angling, while avoiding engagements with BBs whenever possible. If you have no choice but to fight a BB, then use islands, smoke and distance to conceal and protect yourself. 39k health is pretty awesome for a tier 6 cruiser, and the Spee's armour is also unusually good (again, relative to cruisers). As long as you don't get yourself into brawls with BBs or eat a face full of torps, you should do ok.

Now, you may be right about its health, in fact, i think it has the largest health pool of it's tier BUT the graf spee's armor is pretty bad, mostly 19mm, this means that unless you are engaging a destroyer, you will mostly recive From moderate to Critical Damage from BB's or even Cruisers

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On 21/11/2017 at 1:08 AM, awiggin said:

Your money, your game...

But this seems to be an epidemic lately...people with hardly any battles, buying a premium of higher tier, and then getting whipped like a red headed stepchild...:Smile_teethhappy:

You really aren't doing yourself any favors by jumping ahead, working the tiers is a good learning experience in basic ship play...and bypassing it to jump up simply leaves you in a position to get slammed.

Again, it's just a game, and you are welcome to do as you wish, but I would highly recommend playing more games at lower tier, if you're really interested in improving....

Good luck.

I've been told this several times, and you are right, but i bought this ship when i was about to jump from tier 5 to 6, the reality is that i wanted this ship even before i downloaded the game, it seemed perfect, everything i liked from the battleships and everything i wanted from a cruiser, i also noticed how german cruisers were really underpowered compared to American or British Cruisers, so i thought this could even the odds a little, sincec i was used to buying the next tier as soon as i had the chance, when i had enough XP to move to tier 6, thats when i bought the Graf Spee,by the time i'm replying to your message i've already trained with this ship and i've definitely made some improvements, although any more tips you wish to leave are welcome.

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On 26/11/2017 at 7:57 PM, Curly__san said:

What he said^.  Just my experience but I wager it's mostly valid. Those first 500 games have a brutal learning curve regardless what you play. It's even more painful in CA's and slow BB's as disengaging, getting unspotted is more difficult. Training room and Coop mode are good for learning how the ship and her guns handle. If you can division with someone with more experience, who isn't a goon, that will help. I've found Graf can be devastating(as can any cruiser or BB) when paired with a good DD player to scout/screen for her. I can imagine Graf paired with a Gallant could be quite fun when both were working together and competently skippered. . You will have very bad games a lot of mediocre games and some insane games in her. Go read Little White Mouses' review of the Graf Spee. The Graf Spee is very a quirky girl, but fun.  

I've probably watched all the reviews and guides this ship has, and i discovered that this ship is good in severalamount of playstyles, and that it just depends on the player, as contrary to what most of the guides said.

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Definitely not the easiest to play.  Like you, this was one of the ships I wanted before I even downloaded the game.  Didn't get it until I started moving into T6.  But it's a hybrid.  Not really a cruiser and not really a BB.  It has near BB guns, but that also means it has BB reload rates.  Bigger guns than other CL's, but less of them.  It's also relatively slow for a CA.  And being T6, you'll regularly face BB's that are faster.  It has a high skill floor.  Myself, I'm still exploring the sub-flooring.  

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I like her - I do wish she had another turret though.  you do damage slowly...

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Not to make too fine a point of it but the REAL Graf Spee was designed to be a Raider; not to battle it out with Cruisers or Battleships. Once WoW includes convoys or lone merchant ships you can use the Graf Spee to haul in the "Tonnage sunk". And if you should then run into that lone Cruiser whose captain was demoted to escort service you know that you do not have to run from the bugger :-)

As for me, I just bought her mainly because I am a big fan of the real ship and its story; planning even to visit Montevideo some day. And yes, as a newbie with no experience, I just use her in Co-Ops for now; steep learning curve ahead. No need to get hammered by seasoned players; yet. :-)

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On 11/20/2017 at 6:31 PM, CommanderPrinzEugen said:

Hello, im fairly new to World of Warships and i am a level 12 captain as of the 20th of November of 2017

I recently purchased the Graf Spee and i have encountered some problems in almost every match that are my fault, the main problem being that i dont know how to keep my ship alive, the Graf Spee has mediocre armor and only 39k hitpoints so it goes down fast, i would like to be taught new tactics and moves to keep myself afoat longer.

Get a 10pt captain on it fast as you can.  Focus on your main guns, you want to hunt cruisers and broadside ones at that, CE helps a lot.  So follow your cruisers stay dark long as you can then let lose with both turrets into the enemy cruisers sides.  Swing your rear back and stay bow on while reloading.   You have sickeningly awesome torpedo angles and decent torpedo range use these to your advantage.   Only takes a few good shots in a GS to make your game, the guns cit damage will rack up more then your HP in a few hits.

 

GS is a nice ship, a lot of us worried she wouldnt turn out good but she sure is a good lil boat.

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She is a cruiser hunter/killer with an awesome alpha strike.  Wicked good torpedo angles.  You made a good purchase here.  She is her own odd duck though.  Took me a while to learn how to play her as well.

I did the same thing you did, uptiered myself before I learned how to play the game.  When you do learn how to dance with her, switch your dfaa to hydro and discover what a nice brawler she can be.

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4 hours ago, JToney3449 said:

Get a 10pt captain on it fast as you can. 

^This.  Once you hit T6, there are Ops that will net you a 10 point captain if you get 4 stars.  Killer Whale gets you a 10 point German captain for 4 stars.  And Killer Whale, at least last I played it, hadn't been given the "Ultimate F.U." treatment so it doesn't require Super Unicum play to get 4 stars.  

And don't push early with the GS.  Yes, it has a large health pool for a cruiser.  But it is also the slowest cruiser at that tier.  So if you get focused early, you're not fast enough to get away.  There are very few ships you'll see that you can outrun.  So early in the game you need to hang back.  Once most of the enemy fleet is spotted, then pick the right place to push.  It's something I get wrong more than right.  But when you do get it right the GS is fantastic.  

Sometimes hanging back works well too.  Especially in a Standard battle.  GS can defend the base well.  My most memorable game in it came when I spawned far at the back of the pack.  Early on, just took some long range pot shots as I lumbered forward.  But our team died off and soon we were down in ships 6 to 2 (me in GS, plus the CV).  I managed to get 4 kills in pretty rapid succession (including the red CV that came into the base and tried to ram me :Smile_facepalm:).  CV got the other 2.  

It is real fun when things go right.  If you make a positioning mistake early, you'll most likely get sent back to port early though.

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Use the rudder a lot, Keep turning but keep an angle. Use it to take on the enemy cruisers as its best at killing them. BBs its not designed to take them on and the only time I would is if the bb is lone and not anywhere near help. You can make a run at a lone bb keeping your bow on him and give him a nice salvo of torps or both if you make an S type turn at the proper range. But its mostly a support ship. Support your bbs by taking out the enemy cruisers.

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16 minutes ago, Captain_Slattery said:

When you do learn how to dance with her, switch your dfaa to hydro and discover what a nice brawler she can be.

Ah yes.  Given the Achilles heel of the GS is attack by DD's, run hydro.  Only time I'd run DFAA is possibly in Ops like Killer Whale.  In those, you don't worry about being ambushed by DD's.  But if you go for the CV's, DFAA is worth it.  But in Randoms or even PvE, I run hydro.  And remember to focus your secondary batteries (by doing the "Control/Click) on enemy ships in a brawl.  Secondaries are pretty good for a cruiser.  

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I like the Graf Spee, she is one of the ships I play the most. When I play her, I try to keep red ship at 10K. At 10K just about any cruise that shows you a broadside, has a very good chance of taking a citadel. Don't be a lone wolf at the start of the game, I don't solo hunt until the end phase of a game. The torps can be a life save, if you find your self in a bad position. I have chased away and hurt, more than a few BB's that tried to close in, they forget she has 8K torps.

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