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I strongly disagree with the nerf for the perth, the only special ability of this cruise that makes the difference among others, WG said in the past that it did not open any nerf to the premium ships, but I see that it does not fulfill its promise .. they were also nerfied the KUTUZOV AND BELFAST with the smoke ... and I assure you that they are fans of the American branch, the new Orlean has received several buffs and also has radar! Who can not detect any cruise? and the perth if you are going to do NERF TO YOUR SMOKE then add HEALTH PARTY as your brother LEANDER has. I will not sell my perth!

the Cleveland has AA of T8 and better armor of T6, while the PERTH is weak of armor, decent main battery very probre in AA and is the one that less HP of cruise of T6 has and nerfean it?

that a CLEVELAND with 12 guns 152MM + 6x2 130mm (secondaries) of very fast cadence and better armoring t6 can not defeat even devil perth?

pathetic!

and as I said earlier if you go to nerf perth smoke, add health party that one thing competing the other...
 

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You do realize Cleveland was originally a T8 ship that was neutered to fit into the T6 slot?  There is a reason it is inherently stronger than Perth, as the latter was originally designed to be at T6.

 

Changes may come to Perth when they re-release her.  But until that happens, there isn't much sense griping about it.

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WG did not nerf the Perth (or Kutusov or Belfast). They modified the game mechanic of firing in smoke which was a game-wide affect. And they didn't have to, but they did, offer you a chance to sell all three back for doubloons if you desired to (still an offer you can take). 

 

Perth is still a dominant cruiser at T6 if handled well. Just adapt your playstyle and you might continue to enjoy her.

 

Cleveland will be out of your hair soon TM. It'll go to T8 in the new light cruiser branch and be replaced by a real CA - Pensacola. Would that make you happy?

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10 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

You do realize Cleveland was originally a T8 ship that was neutered to fit into the T6 slot?  There is a reason it is inherently stronger than Perth, as the latter was originally designed to be at T6.

 

Changes may come to Perth when they re-release her.  But until that happens, there isn't much sense griping about it.

There are people selling the kutuzonv and the belfast because of disagreements with the nerf of the smoke, the perth is very weak and does little damage, and nerf the only fun that is its smoke that is unique. the cleveland was always T8 lowered it to T6 to make it super OP cleveland:
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super OP AA
he in T8 add radar + slot 6

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^ Cleveland is being moved to tier 8, forget it.

 

If your getting detected by ships at 4.5km in smoke, your doing it wrong. The recent changes were actually a buff as you can now detect Battleships firing from inside your own smoke.

Sounds like you got wrecked by a New Orleans with radar, learn which ships have it to avoid any sticky situations.

RN cruiser spotter planes have recently been nerfed to the standard 100 seconds (not that anyone took a spotter over smoke) That makes Perth the only ship in the game that can launch two (tier 8) spotter planes for 4 minutes. Use it.

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5 minutes ago, Khafni said:

WG did not nerf the Perth (or Kutusov or Belfast). They modified the game mechanic of firing in smoke which was a game-wide affect. And they didn't have to, but they did, offer you a chance to sell all three back for doubloons if you desired to (still an offer you can take). 

 

Perth is still a dominant cruiser at T6 if handled well. Just adapt your playstyle and you might continue to enjoy her.

 

Cleveland will be out of your hair soon TM. It'll go to T8 in the new light cruiser branch and be replaced by a real CA - Pensacola. Would that make you happy?

the pensacola simpre must have been in T6 was a cruiser of the 30s, rival for the aoba both heavy cruisers. The perth should have a health party with a charge because it is very weak armor. having its smoke nerf, and you can not shoot as before because it will be detected and that cucero is not very good to make fires.

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The smoke changes haven't had much impact on Kutz or Belfast, seems like Perth should be just fine too. I'd still buy one if given the chance.

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1 minute ago, rafael_azuaje said:

WG SAID NOT NERF SHIPS PREMIUM! AND WHAT HAPPEN?

They changed a game mechanic...

If you don't like it anymore sell it and stop [edited].

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3 minutes ago, smf117 said:

They changed a game mechanic...

If you don't like it anymore sell it and stop [edited].

this is a friendly forum, to discuss any topic or to improve in some boat

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Just now, rafael_azuaje said:

this is a friendly forum, to discuss any topic or to improve in some boat

Okay...not sure what that has to do with anything.

But hey, you're the one who starting yelling.

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8 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

The smoke changes haven't had much impact on Kutz or Belfast, seems like Perth should be just fine too. I'd still buy one if given the chance.

the DD sims give nerf Amord of 16mm reduce to 13mm for update 6.14

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1 minute ago, smf117 said:

Okay...not sure what that has to do with anything.

But hey, you're the one who starting yelling.

naa man , I said : wg said not nerf any premium ships, and for next update is nerf sims,belfast,kutuzov & perth.. for 6.14

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Just now, rafael_azuaje said:

naa man , I said : wg said not nerf any premium ships, and for next update is nerf sims,belfast,kutuzov & perth.. for 6.14

Yes. You keep repeating yourself yet you clearly don't understand the situation.

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1 minute ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

WG didn't nerf Belfast, Kutz, or Perth.

I have not seen this supposed nerf to the Sims.

No point in explaining. He will never understand it.

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Coming changes for update 0.6.14 (SEA Group)
Pan Asia Destroyer
From Tier 4 to Tier 9, each PA DD comes with the upgraded torpedo of the previous tier, and its own torpedo now requires research.
Japanese Torpedo Reload Reload time of all torpedoes across Japanese ships is now in line with their DDs, thus:
Reload time of Type 90 mod.1 torpedo on Myoko's (and her various clones) reduced from 82 seconds to 76 seconds
Mogami, Atago, and Ibuki, it reduced from 109 seconds to 101 seconds
Harukaze it reduced from 121 seconds to 101 seconds.
Reload time of Type93 mod.2 torpedo on Ibuki reduced from 120 seconds to 112 seconds.
Miscellaneous
Giulio Cesare Torpedo damage reduction increased from 19% to 30.4%.
Aigle 180° rotation time of main guns increased from 18 seconds to 27.7 seconds, HE shell damage is now 2000. Her engine output is even stronger reversing.
Colorado Hitpoint on B Hull increased from 50100 to 59300, and no change to her Repair Party. Her main gun accuracy is adjusted to 1.9σ from 1.8σ (Hull A) and 2.0σ (Hull B), respectively.
Abruzzi 180° rotation time of the main gun reduced from 24 seconds to 22.5 seconds.
Roma Torpedo damage reduction increased from 25% to 38.5%.
Richelieu Torpedo damage reduction increased from 19% to 32.5%. Her Engine Boost now provides: +8% to maximum speed, higher engine output, activate for 180 seconds.
Salem She now uses the same Damage Control Party on destroyers.
Aircraft Carrier
All aircraft carriers now have a unified 20% basic resistance to catching fire. Thus, the change is a buff to tier 4 ~ 5 CVs but a nerf to tier 6 ~ 10 CVs.
Damage Control Party on all CVs: Activation time increased from 5 seconds to 30 seconds.
US CV Bogue: New and unique flight control 1-1-1 (FT-TB-DB), plane reservation is now 10-9-9 (for the top hull, note that stock-hull US CVs have less hangar capacity except Lexington).
Independence: Unique flight control 1-1-1.
Ranger: New and unique flight Control 1-1-2, plane reservation is 18-18-37.
Lexington: New and unique flight control 1-1-2, plane reservation is 18-18-36. Only top dive bomber can equip 1000lb AP bomb (same bomb as Enterprise's, research and purchase required).
Essex: New and unique flight control 2-1-2, plane reservation 36-18-36. No tier 9 torpedo bombers. Same DB rule as Lexington for 1000lb AP bomb.
Midway: New and unique flight control 2-2-2, plane reservation 46-45-45. Tier 8 torpedo bombers only. Same DB rule as stated before.
Lexington, Essex and Midway's AP DB squadrons have the same accuracy as Enterprise's in auto drop and 20% more accurate in manual drop.
Miscellaneous
Rearranged and re-config.ed the AA guns on Duke of York.
The thorough deck armor (from bow to stern) on Sims reduced from 16mm to 13mm.
The thorough deck armor on Mahan reduced from 16mm to 15mm.
The thorough deck armor on Shimakaze reduced from 19mm to 18mm.
Doubloon refund of Perth, Belfast, Kutuzov will end with the update 0.6.14.

Próximos cambios para la actualización 0.6.14 (grupo marítimo)
Destructor de pan asia
DESDE EL NIVEL 4 HASTA EL NIVEL 9, cada pa dd viene con el torpedo mejorado del nivel anterior, y su propio torpedo ahora requiere investigación.
El torpedo japonés recarga la hora de recarga de todos los torpedos a través de los barcos japoneses está ahora en línea con su dds, así:
Recargar tiempo del tipo 90 mod. 1 torpedo en myoko ' s (y sus varios clones) reducido de 82 segundos a 76 segundos
Mogami, atago, y ibuki, se redujo de 109 segundos a 101 segundos
Harukaze se redujo de 121 segundos a 101 segundos.
Recargar tiempo de type93 mod. 2 torpedo en ibuki reducido de 120 segundos a 112 segundos.
Varios
La reducción de los daños del torpedo giulio cesare aumentó del 19 % al 30.4 %.
Aigle 180° tiempo de rotación de las armas principales aumentó de 18 segundos a 27.7 segundos, el daño shell es ahora 2000. Su salida del motor es incluso más fuerte marcha atrás.
Colorado hp en b hull aumentó de 50100 a 59300, y sin cambios en su fiesta de reparación. Su precisión de arma principal se ajusta a 1.9 s de 1.8 s (casco a) y 2.0 s (casco b), respectivamente.
Abruzzi 180° tiempo de rotación de la pistola principal se redujo de 24 segundos a 22.5 segundos.
La reducción de los daños de los torpedos romaníes aumentó del 25 % al 38.5 %.
La reducción del daño del torpedo richelieu aumentó del 19 % al 32.5 %. su motor boost ahora proporciona: + 8 % a velocidad máxima, mayor potencia del motor, activa durante 180 segundos.
Salem ahora usa la misma fiesta de control de daños en los destructores.
Transporte aéreo
Todos los portaaviones tienen un 20 % de resistencia básica al fuego. Por lo tanto, el cambio es un buff al nivel 4 ~ 5 CVS PERO UN NERF AL NIVEL 6 ~ 10 CVS.
Grupo de control de daños en todos los cvs: el tiempo de activación aumentó de 5 segundos a 30 segundos.
Us Cv bogue: nuevo y único control de vuelo 1-1-1 (ft-TB-DB), la reserva de avión es ahora 10-9-9 (para el casco superior, NOTE QUE LOS CVS DE STOCK-Hull us tienen menos capacidad del hangar excepto lexington).
Independencia: control único de vuelo 1-1-1.
Ranger: nuevo y único control de vuelo 1-1-2, reserva de avión es 18-18-37.
Lexington: nuevo y único control de vuelo 1-1-2, reserva de avión es 18-18-36. Sólo el bombardero top dive puede equipar 1000 LB BOMBA AP (la misma bomba que la empresa, la investigación y la compra requerida).
Essex: nuevo y único control de vuelo 2-1-2, reserva de avión 36-18-36. BOMBARDEROS TORPEDEROS NO TIER 9 La misma regla de db como lexington para una bomba de 1000 lb.
Midway: nuevo y único control de vuelo 2-2-2, reserva de avión 46-45-45. BOMBARDEROS TORPEDEROS DE NIVEL 8 SOLAMENTE. La misma regla de db como se indica anteriormente.
Lexington, essex y midway tienen la misma precisión que el enterprise en auto drop y un 20 % más preciso en la caída manual.
Varios
Reorganizado y re-Config. Ed las armas aa en el Duque De York.
La armadura de cubierta completa (de proa a popa) en los sims se redujo de 16 mm a 13 mm.
La armadura de cubierta completa en mahan se redujo de 16 mm a 15 mm.
La armadura de cubierta completa en shimakaze se redujo de 19 mm a 18 mm.
El reembolso doblón de perth, Belfast, kutúzov terminará con la actualización 0.6.14.

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The cane changes and evolves. I own all three of the ships you are ranting about and I do not mind what they did. 

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Yes it was a nerf - you are correct. To Nerf - In video gaming, a nerf is a change to a game that reduces the power of a weapon or skill in order to maintain game balance. Smoke does not maintain the same cover for a ship as it used to.

It was a nerf that came about via a game mechanic change where WG adjusted the way detection works in smoke whilst firing. As this was a global change it needed to change for all ships including Premium ships. This is to try and maintain balance in game.

 

It is similar to the global nerf they tried to make regarding a -8% fire chance to cruisers and above using IFHE. I believe they were going to introduce this in order to hit the Kutuzov and Belfast (via a 'global' change), but the change would have had too much of an impact on balance, so left it at -3% fire chance. 

 

Balance - not easy when you have so many ships, captain skills, upgrades, consumables, signals, etc.  If it is any consolation the Perth survival rate has actually gone up 4% (All time stats compared to the 2 week stats); also it's damage has raised by a couple of thousand too (31,123 to 33,681) - so the stats that possibly reflect the change in smoke best, are actually better. :Smile_honoring:

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Perth, Kutuzov, and Belfast were not nerfed. A global mechanics change happened. 

 

Secondly, the armor on Sims? Really? It is a DD, this change makes no difference whatsoever.

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33 minutes ago, rafael_azuaje said:

Coming changes for update 0.6.14 (SEA Group)
Pan Asia Destroyer
From Tier 4 to Tier 9, each PA DD comes with the upgraded torpedo of the previous tier, and its own torpedo now requires research.
Japanese Torpedo Reload Reload time of all torpedoes across Japanese ships is now in line with their DDs, thus:
Reload time of Type 90 mod.1 torpedo on Myoko's (and her various clones) reduced from 82 seconds to 76 seconds
Mogami, Atago, and Ibuki, it reduced from 109 seconds to 101 seconds
Harukaze it reduced from 121 seconds to 101 seconds.
Reload time of Type93 mod.2 torpedo on Ibuki reduced from 120 seconds to 112 seconds.
Miscellaneous
Giulio Cesare Torpedo damage reduction increased from 19% to 30.4%.
Aigle 180° rotation time of main guns increased from 18 seconds to 27.7 seconds, HE shell damage is now 2000. Her engine output is even stronger reversing.
Colorado Hitpoint on B Hull increased from 50100 to 59300, and no change to her Repair Party. Her main gun accuracy is adjusted to 1.9σ from 1.8σ (Hull A) and 2.0σ (Hull B), respectively.
Abruzzi 180° rotation time of the main gun reduced from 24 seconds to 22.5 seconds.
Roma Torpedo damage reduction increased from 25% to 38.5%.
Richelieu Torpedo damage reduction increased from 19% to 32.5%. Her Engine Boost now provides: +8% to maximum speed, higher engine output, activate for 180 seconds.
Salem She now uses the same Damage Control Party on destroyers.
Aircraft Carrier
All aircraft carriers now have a unified 20% basic resistance to catching fire. Thus, the change is a buff to tier 4 ~ 5 CVs but a nerf to tier 6 ~ 10 CVs.
Damage Control Party on all CVs: Activation time increased from 5 seconds to 30 seconds.
US CV Bogue: New and unique flight control 1-1-1 (FT-TB-DB), plane reservation is now 10-9-9 (for the top hull, note that stock-hull US CVs have less hangar capacity except Lexington).
Independence: Unique flight control 1-1-1.
Ranger: New and unique flight Control 1-1-2, plane reservation is 18-18-37.
Lexington: New and unique flight control 1-1-2, plane reservation is 18-18-36. Only top dive bomber can equip 1000lb AP bomb (same bomb as Enterprise's, research and purchase required).
Essex: New and unique flight control 2-1-2, plane reservation 36-18-36. No tier 9 torpedo bombers. Same DB rule as Lexington for 1000lb AP bomb.
Midway: New and unique flight control 2-2-2, plane reservation 46-45-45. Tier 8 torpedo bombers only. Same DB rule as stated before.
Lexington, Essex and Midway's AP DB squadrons have the same accuracy as Enterprise's in auto drop and 20% more accurate in manual drop.
Miscellaneous
Rearranged and re-config.ed the AA guns on Duke of York.
The thorough deck armor (from bow to stern) on Sims reduced from 16mm to 13mm.
The thorough deck armor on Mahan reduced from 16mm to 15mm.
The thorough deck armor on Shimakaze reduced from 19mm to 18mm.
Doubloon refund of Perth, Belfast, Kutuzov will end with the update 0.6.14.

Próximos cambios para la actualización 0.6.14 (grupo marítimo)
Destructor de pan asia
DESDE EL NIVEL 4 HASTA EL NIVEL 9, cada pa dd viene con el torpedo mejorado del nivel anterior, y su propio torpedo ahora requiere investigación.
El torpedo japonés recarga la hora de recarga de todos los torpedos a través de los barcos japoneses está ahora en línea con su dds, así:
Recargar tiempo del tipo 90 mod. 1 torpedo en myoko ' s (y sus varios clones) reducido de 82 segundos a 76 segundos
Mogami, atago, y ibuki, se redujo de 109 segundos a 101 segundos
Harukaze se redujo de 121 segundos a 101 segundos.
Recargar tiempo de type93 mod. 2 torpedo en ibuki reducido de 120 segundos a 112 segundos.
Varios
La reducción de los daños del torpedo giulio cesare aumentó del 19 % al 30.4 %.
Aigle 180° tiempo de rotación de las armas principales aumentó de 18 segundos a 27.7 segundos, el daño shell es ahora 2000. Su salida del motor es incluso más fuerte marcha atrás.
Colorado hp en b hull aumentó de 50100 a 59300, y sin cambios en su fiesta de reparación. Su precisión de arma principal se ajusta a 1.9 s de 1.8 s (casco a) y 2.0 s (casco b), respectivamente.
Abruzzi 180° tiempo de rotación de la pistola principal se redujo de 24 segundos a 22.5 segundos.
La reducción de los daños de los torpedos romaníes aumentó del 25 % al 38.5 %.
La reducción del daño del torpedo richelieu aumentó del 19 % al 32.5 %. su motor boost ahora proporciona: + 8 % a velocidad máxima, mayor potencia del motor, activa durante 180 segundos.
Salem ahora usa la misma fiesta de control de daños en los destructores.
Transporte aéreo
Todos los portaaviones tienen un 20 % de resistencia básica al fuego. Por lo tanto, el cambio es un buff al nivel 4 ~ 5 CVS PERO UN NERF AL NIVEL 6 ~ 10 CVS.
Grupo de control de daños en todos los cvs: el tiempo de activación aumentó de 5 segundos a 30 segundos.
Us Cv bogue: nuevo y único control de vuelo 1-1-1 (ft-TB-DB), la reserva de avión es ahora 10-9-9 (para el casco superior, NOTE QUE LOS CVS DE STOCK-Hull us tienen menos capacidad del hangar excepto lexington).
Independencia: control único de vuelo 1-1-1.
Ranger: nuevo y único control de vuelo 1-1-2, reserva de avión es 18-18-37.
Lexington: nuevo y único control de vuelo 1-1-2, reserva de avión es 18-18-36. Sólo el bombardero top dive puede equipar 1000 LB BOMBA AP (la misma bomba que la empresa, la investigación y la compra requerida).
Essex: nuevo y único control de vuelo 2-1-2, reserva de avión 36-18-36. BOMBARDEROS TORPEDEROS NO TIER 9 La misma regla de db como lexington para una bomba de 1000 lb.
Midway: nuevo y único control de vuelo 2-2-2, reserva de avión 46-45-45. BOMBARDEROS TORPEDEROS DE NIVEL 8 SOLAMENTE. La misma regla de db como se indica anteriormente.
Lexington, essex y midway tienen la misma precisión que el enterprise en auto drop y un 20 % más preciso en la caída manual.
Varios
Reorganizado y re-Config. Ed las armas aa en el Duque De York.
La armadura de cubierta completa (de proa a popa) en los sims se redujo de 16 mm a 13 mm.
La armadura de cubierta completa en mahan se redujo de 16 mm a 15 mm.
La armadura de cubierta completa en shimakaze se redujo de 19 mm a 18 mm.
El reembolso doblón de perth, Belfast, kutúzov terminará con la actualización 0.6.14.

Still don't see any info regarding a nerf to Sims, in English or in Spanish.

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3 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

Perth, Kutuzov, and Belfast were not nerfed. A global mechanics change happened. 

 

Secondly, the armor on Sims? Really? It is a DD, this change makes no difference whatsoever.

 

 

 a buff? Overpens for some cruiser AP?

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