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so an interesting discussion I came across on Fb, what if Titanic struck iceberg head on

this on the official titanic group btw. https://www.facebook.com/groups/titanicofficial/

So lets say Murdoc decides that titanic slams head on into iceberg, what happens?
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heres what i posted, btw the damage would have pushed back alot farther then this ^^

 

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ok. im reading a lot saying titanic would have survived head on, the true facts is she wouldnt have, i actually discussed this with parks stevenson on another page and he agreed. so titanic was doing 21.5 knots, thats rounded up 24.8 mph make math easier, 25 mph. the combined force of impact is the equivalent of 50mph, basically hitting the berg with a ship head on is like smashing a smart car into a brick wall..the combined speed...well lets just say the smart car driver is....(you fill in the blanks) so the damage piles up about 100 feet, if not 120 feet of the bow, pancaking it as far as the last cargo hold before the boiler rooms, the rivets simply break and those plates either completely fall off and sink or hang open, causing large open voids for the ocean to rush into. the distortion jams watertight doors and most of the bulkheads will have shifted from the force of impact, the rush of water into the ship causes the water to pool heavily against the port side..as this occurs the ship pushes back as gravity forces her to try an come back level. the water sloshes, like estonia titanic reaches the critical point and tips over, gravity does the rest, the ship floods through the funnels, windows and port holes and goes down in 10-15 minutes, 20 at most. half the lifeboats would have been un useable if any could be launched, worst case none are launched because this event happens so quick.

not to mention the flooding invades the boiler rooms so fast, you probably have a multiple boiler explosions, from the sudden rush of cold water. these boiler explosions would have blew the ship apart.

Ship still breaks in half due to stresses btw.


lets see what u guys think

 

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First, Murdoch would've ordered full stop and reverse, so the damage would've not been that bad. Secondly, she would've still survived with at most 3 compartments flooded, up to compartment 3. That wouldn't be as severe, so she would still be tilted, but able to sail on at a small pace. The steel plates would've been pushed in, and be flattened against the lateral axis, pancaking (think of placing a piece of cardboard on top of a toilet paper roll). 

She wouldn't be able to make to NY in the designated time, but better than sinking.

 

The blurb is also wrong on some facts. Remember, Titanic went down with 5 or 6 compartments flooded, more than the designed 4. If she hit head on, the tilt would not have been sufficient enough to make her sink, and not even in 10-15 minutes, maybe even longer than 2hours and 45mins. Passengers were also ordered to keep portholes shut at all times, which debunks the water coming into the portholes.

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Here's something that would be interesting to consider...what if the Titanic get's lodged in the ice after a frontal collision? there could be a possibility the ship could ground up enough on to the ice to not fully sink. But I'm no physics expert so that's just speculation. 

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She more then likely would've survived. She didn't just hit berg she drove over it part of it they found two pieces of bottom with bilge keel in 2006 . Second she didn't go to the Extreme angle she did the movie. I've linked two excellent Documentaries  on Titanic number 1 is Titanic at 100. And number 2 is the 2006 Expedition where they find the Bilge Keel. Sorry if this is too long Titanic is sort of my thing she's what got me into history 

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD1jUXycERo 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_pxc18Xmg

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1 minute ago, yamato6945 said:

She more then likely would've survived. She didn't just hit berg she drove over it part of it they found two pieces of bottom with bilge keel in 2006 . Second she didn't go to the Extreme angle she did the movie. I've linked two excellent Documentaries  on Titanic number 1 is Titanic at 100. And number 2 is the 2006 Expedition where they find the Bilge Keel. Sorry if this is too long Titanic is sort of my thing she's what got me into history 

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD1jUXycERo 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_pxc18Xmg

The bilge keel is more likely the action of the split. 

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4 minutes ago, Unabletony said:

The bilge keel is more likely the action of the split. 

The bilge keel is from from the area where she broke in two. However the documentaries both imply that she ran over the berg and caused damage to that area

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25 mph. the combined force of impact is the equivalent of 50mph

Not so. This is A. assuming that the iceberg is doing 25 of your archaic speed measurements, and B. you're forgetting about a similar test Mythbusters did about two cars head-on-ing at the same speed equalling a double-speed impact force

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26 minutes ago, yamato6945 said:

The bilge keel is from from the area where she broke in two. However the documentaries both imply that she ran over the berg and caused damage to that area

She didn't.  This is the so called 'big piece', and helped researchers find out why she broke and the facts related to that. It's a really low chance an iceberg forms like an island formation, with a tiny little part sticking up.

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Lot of questions. If it plows straight in with no deflection (which could still cause the same rivet popping) than she has a better chance at survival. While it may have been ordered that portholes be hut well, no guarantee it was always followed. There are some reports from surviving crew that some watertight doors malfunctioned and didn't close. Pretty well concluded fact the "watertight compartments" were not built high enough. Least not after the forward 2. After it pancakes it comes down to what damage is done overall to the ship. Beyond the pancaked front is there any other damage down the sides, waterline, etc. Whatever damage happens, whatever flooding is caused, can they pump the water out fast enough to avoid any potential issues. It's always going to be a multitude of factors that determines if a ship goes down or stays afloat. Odds are in favour that a head on collision, she survives. It comes down to where is the damage and all the rest. Because at last check ships are designed with some flex, but not really to crumple, and simple physic seven when the bow hits the stern will still want to go forward and any stresses that cause on the ship. Head on collision there is still the chance that perhaps stress or the force of the impact through the ship causes some plate separations that still cause flooding that causes it to sink. Though, it could well be that it takes longer and more can be evacuated into lifeboats and by ships arriving to help.

 

I'd say 94% the ship survives the impact head on. 5% chance it sinks, likely taking about as long or even longer, 1% chance it sinks faster because you just never know. As it was water entered Boiler Room 6 after the impact and be it luck or getting steam vented fast enough from it, it didn't explode, the other 5 certainly having been vented. Watertight as it may have been a bunker door between the flooded boiler room 6 and 5 collapsed, allowing water to spill in there too. All disasters are a combination of issues, failures and factors. Some yes, bigger contributes than others, but sometimes, you can change a big one that can change the outcome, but sometimes even that is not enough and still a chain unfolds that ends in a similar result.

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The iceberg isn't a flat wall so there is no pancake, it's going to hit the bottom of the bow first, depending on the angle of the ice and how solid it is also makes a difference

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no but the iceberg sits deeper.  in essence yes as the iceberg it hit is figured to have weighed around one million tonns.. thats like driving a car head on ata  train and expecting to win....

 

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With the issue of it being so cold it cause rivets to snap, the fact is the ship would have experienced twisting and buckling forces that would have lead to more leaks. During accident investigation in the police academy we were shown pictures of head on collisions where even the rear 1/4 panel buckled or rear end collisions caused the windshield to bust. In the slow mo videos we could see the energy of impact bring transfered through the whole car. Point is the force of impact isn't going to be just located in the front but the center of the ship also because there rear of the ship will be stop carrying allot of momentum even though the front stopped. Since I highly doubt it's hitting dead on perfect, it means there will be some deflection also which transfers to twisting force. 

 

My thoughts the ship would have sank faster and we really got to give credit to the crew for keeping her upright because it's way more common for a ship to capsize

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What would happen in a head on collision?  For one, the sudden deceleration would cause all the boilers (forward facing) to spill their fiery contents all over the boiler room and onto the coal bunkers, causing catastrophic fire.  It's unlikely the forward water tight compartments could withstand the force of 52,000 tons of metal smashing into ice, and massive flooding would begin.  Even if the forward compartments don't immediately flood, the ship would rapidly begin to incinerate from the raging boiler/coal fire, causing heat damage to the hull and forcing an evacuation, and there aren't enough lifeboats to go around.

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