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Container camo....clown camo!

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Some of this camo seems realistic but some of it makes your ship look like it's dressed as a clown. I don't like that. Matter of fact you stick out like a sore thumb.  Matter of fact I often simply target ships wearing clown camo cause I just do cause they look so silly. Heh. Is this bad for me to do?  Just can't help it! :Smile_smile:

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Well if the camoes garish colors are making you target random ships with no regard for the battle situation it seems they work better than anyone could have expected. 

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Just think of how boring various shades of gray would be.

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17 minutes ago, gloom13 said:

Well if the camoes garish colors are making you target random ships with no regard for the battle situation it seems they work better than anyone could have expected. 

O I make sure it's prudent and helps win the battle. I do take the situation into account.  I guess I implied I just do this randomly.....my fault.

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I have a div mate who will call out any ship using the For The Win camo so they can be sunk first. 

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If you turn down details in the settings, you'll only see camos and ship-shaped ships at maximum zoom.  Otherwise with details low, everything pretty much looks like a gray box on the water from far away, lol. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, RedSeaBear said:

I have a div mate who will call out any ship using the For The Win camo so they can be sunk first. 

I wonder cause I don't know.  Did various zig-zag camos on ships actually help them throw off U-boats aim when attacking?  NOTE I said U-boats...I did not use the dreaded "S" word.

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42 minutes ago, RedSeaBear said:

I have a div mate who will call out any ship using the For The Win camo so they can be sunk first. 

 

Is his name "[edited]"? 

 

Cuz, if it isn't, it should be.

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21 hours ago, JCC45 said:

 

Is his name "[edited]"? 

 

Cuz, if it isn't, it should be.

 

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22 hours ago, dmckay said:

I wonder cause I don't know.  Did various zig-zag camos on ships actually help them throw off U-boats aim when attacking?  NOTE I said U-boats...I did not use the dreaded "S" word.

 

Yes. The idea was to conceal where the bow was and to confuse what the angle of the ship was to throw off the calculations for where the torpedo should be fired to get a hit. Messing up those items by a little bit, meant a miss in real life.

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6 hours ago, Kizarvexis said:

 

Yes. The idea was to conceal where the bow was and to confuse what the angle of the ship was to throw off the calculations for where the torpedo should be fired to get a hit. Messing up those items by a little bit, meant a miss in real life.

Did that really work?  

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30 minutes ago, dmckay said:

Did that really work?  

 

The dazzle camouflage provided a measurable difference in accuracy. The camouflage that painted the ship similar to ocean color with a fake bow painted, worked a little better than dazzle camouflage I understand.

 

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53 minutes ago, dmckay said:

Did that really work?  

Kind of look like it dose on paper
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21 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

 

The dazzle camouflage provided a measurable difference in accuracy. The camouflage that painted the ship similar to ocean color with a fake bow painted, worked a little better than dazzle camouflage I understand.

 

OK.  +1 for you but I am still not convinced. Data ? U-Boat commander WWII needed!  Any left? :Smile_honoring:

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remember that dazzles were really only for sub threat and nothing else.      it does make them more visible, but bit tougher to aim.    in WW1, there were some studies done, and  UK study does seem to show that it was hit less  by small percentage    (like 54 to 48%   with less hitting midship)      but not a conclusive study at all.   why I said definite may be  :D. 

 

even though dazzles were used in ww2,  it wasn't as effective due to better range finding system. 

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14 minutes ago, dmckay said:

OK.  +1 for you but I am still not convinced. Data ? U-Boat commander WWII needed!  Any left? :Smile_honoring:

 

I do not have any hard numbers, just the general discussions of historical works. As I understand it, the dazzle camouflage wasn't a large difference in accuracy, but a measurable difference. In WWII, the ocean color with a fake painted bow, like on Adm Graf Spee in game, worked slightly better than the dazzle camouflage I understand, because it was harder to see the real bow at range if it was colored similar to the ocean. So you would underestimate the speed and or angle.

 

WoWs compressed the distances in game to make the games faster. They didn't change the penetration values, so damage us easier to do as well. Concealment is way better in game.  A DD in game is usually invisible at 10 km, but that is only 6 miles. A real DD was naked eye visible at that range on a clear day.

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41 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

The dazzle camouflage provided a measurable difference in accuracy. The camouflage that painted the ship similar to ocean color with a fake bow painted, worked a little better than dazzle camouflage I understand.

Some Japanese camo even made one ship look like two different ships.

 

It's kind of stunning what visual effects people accomplished with just some paint.

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3 minutes ago, AraAragami said:

Some Japanese camo even made one ship look like two different ships.

 

It's kind of stunning what visual effects people accomplished with just some paint.

 

There was a Dutch ship that was camouflaged to look like an island to evade bombers. The ship would move at night and park by an island during the day to make it harder to see.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-stranded-dutch-warship-evaded-japanese-bombers-in-wwii-by-disgusing-itself-as-an-island-2015-7

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2 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

There was a Dutch ship that was camouflaged to look like an island to evade bombers. The ship would move at night and park by an island during the day to make it harder to see.

 

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Everything in this paint scheme serves a purpose.

- The dappling at the bow and amidships and on the cranes/smokestack breaks up the outline, making those areas "disappear" at long ranges. The ship appears smaller, with no crane, a shorter funnel, and no midsection.

- Substantial fake bow wave makes it look like a high speed destroyer going flank speed.

- The stern half has its own artificial bow wave, going in the opposite direction.

- Dazzle lines to foul long range gunnery even more.

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Tks guys.  Good info. Carry on.

16 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

 

I do not have any hard numbers, just the general discussions of historical works. As I understand it, the dazzle camouflage wasn't a large difference in accuracy, but a measurable difference. In WWII, the ocean color with a fake painted bow, like on Adm Graf Spee in game, worked slightly better than the dazzle camouflage I understand, because it was harder to see the real bow at range if it was colored similar to the ocean. So you would underestimate the speed and or angle.

 

WoWs compressed the distances in game to make the games faster. They didn't change the penetration values, so damage us easier to do as well. Concealment is way better in game.  A DD in game is usually invisible at 10 km, but that is only 6 miles. A real DD was naked eye visible at that range on a clear day.

Well even a slight advantage is indeed an advantage.  Carry on.  Tks

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