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A Gearing and a Narvik, side-by-side

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Greetings all,

 

 

Figured I'd share this neat little post-war photograph of a Gearing-class destroyer moored alongside a Type- 1936A(mob) "Narvik" destroyer. Really shows off the size difference!

 

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8 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Where's the Narvik from, and where was the photo taken?

Its the Z-39, and the picture is from Annapolis in October 1945, from what I can gather

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Narviks are huuuge!

2,567t standard displacement, pretty much the same firepower as WWI-era light cruisers.

3 hours ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Where's the Narvik from, and where was the photo taken?

If you weren't clear the 'Narvik' as a German destroyer class.

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Kind of argues that the Germans F'd up building them.  Smaller destroyers with 4" to 5" guns in greater numbers would have served them better.

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1 hour ago, Murotsu said:

Kind of argues that the Germans F'd up building them.  Smaller destroyers with 4" to 5" guns in greater numbers would have served them better.

 

Those would be the Type-1939 (4.1") and Type 1934s, 1934As and the Type 1936s (5"). Only the 36A and 36A(mob)s had 5.9" guns. As far as numbers are concerned, that's 37 to 15. So they did build more of the smaller gun destroyers.

 

As far as size is concerned, German destroyers were large for a reason, there was a method to their madness. To understand the type of destroyer the Germans wanted we can consult authors Gerhard Koop and Klaus-Peter Schmolke...

"Specifications included great strength of hull, good seakeeping qualities, a high maintained speed (even in heavy seas), a large radius of action and a powerful armament. The purpose was to provide a fighting vessel which could double as a small cruiser - a type in which the German navy was deficient - exceeding the 1,378-tonne French and 1,540-tonne Polish counterparts (these nations being the presumed potential opponents in war.)"

So, in short, the Germans wanted a budget light-cruiser that was superior to any destroyer the French or Polish had. Especially noteworthy is the requirement for high-speed even in rough seas, for this only a large destroyer will do as small ships struggle to maintain high-speed in rough weather (even 23kn Rodney outran her escorting destroyers during the hunt for Bismarck). And then, of course, building a large number of "normal" sized destroyers was impossible for a number of reasons anyway. So building large, powerful destroyers was really the most logical option.

 

Edit: Concerning the up-gunning of the 36A and 36A(mob) classes to 5.9" guns, we can once again consult Koop and Schmolke... "A wartime measure beginning with the new Type 1936A destroyers was an increase in the main calibre to 15cm (5.9in). However, as by April 1940 Germany had available only four light cruisers - Emden, Koln, Leipzig and Nurnberg, the last three being such poor sea boats that they were not permitted beyond coastal waters in bad weather - the thinking behind the larger calibre was almost certainly to 'cruiserise' these later destroyers to the extent that, if necessary, they could take on British light cruisers in battle."

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On 11/15/2017 at 10:30 AM, Estimated_Prophet said:

Where's the Narvik from, and where was the photo taken?

The Narvik is the Z-23 class destroyer.

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57 minutes ago, DeliciousFart said:

The Narvik is the Z-23 class destroyer.

 

Technically Narvik is the nickname given to the Type-1936A and 1936A(mob) class destroyers with Z-23 just being the lead ship and not the name of the class.

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3 minutes ago, dseehafer said:

 

Technically Narvik is the nickname given to the Type-1936A and 1936A(mob) class destroyers with Z-23 just being the lead ship and not the name of the class.

Why were they called Narvik?

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2 hours ago, DeliciousFart said:

Why were they called Narvik?

 

Because the majority of the class was sunk at the Narvik naval base in Norway.

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27 minutes ago, dseehafer said:

 

Because the majority of the class was sunk at the Narvik naval base in Norway.

The German losses at Narvik were 1936's not 1936A's.

Given the '36's were 5in while the '36A's were quite distinct with the 5.9in's it's always struck me as a little odd.

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