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Why are big spenders (whales) hated in video games?

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There is something I do not really get when it comes to gaming. Of all Star Wars titles including BattleFront and Galaxy of Heroes which was released by EA dice and Force Arena released by Netmarble, it seems there is a big time hatred towards people who spend massive amounts I.E. $2,000 to $10,000 a week on cards, loot boxes and etc. Is there any reason why there is hatred or resentment towards these kind of people?

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Probably half are jealous of those people who can spend that kind of money. 

And the other half see the spenders as enabling the micro-transaction gimmick that is getting out of hand. 

As for the titles you referenced I can understand the hatred from people who just spent $80 on a game only to encounter a pay wall. 

But as long as people still throw money at these companies the micro-transactions and gated content will continue. 

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Many games have been ruined in the past because devs got greedy by implementing P2W weapons/skills and massive paywalls.

This means that the game revolves around how to keep the whales happy and the devs will only care on how to feed the whales, which eventually leads to poor player retention and the game's untimely demise.

Whales are enablers of overly greedy game mechanics, but, ideally, the game should have no problems with player retention because of whales. There are plenty of games out there that let whales and poor players coexist.

 

IMO, whale hate is misguided. It's up to the devs if they want quick, smash and grab, cash or if they want a long term investment.

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1 minute ago, Crucis said:

Why are they called "whales" in the first place?

Thats what I am trying to know as well as it is quite a new term that I have seen thrown aroudn the gaming community lately

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3 minutes ago, Crucis said:

Why are they called "whales" in the first place?

It came from Vegas, it's a term describing gamblers ( mostly from Asia ) who bet big and lost huge sums to the casinos, who in turn gave them free luxury rooms, free meals and drinks and whatever else the gambler wanted.

Casinos battles each other to land and keep these high roller gamblers, they were a big deal, hence the term "whales".

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Are they hated? I mean, some people are jealous I am sure so they lash out.

The only argument I can think of is that 'whales' legitimizes bad marketing, encouraging developers to continue to make overpriced/inferior products.

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42 minutes ago, Crucis said:

Why are they called "whales" in the first place?

 

When it comes to video games, the term is usually used to describe the kind of customers that are paying for micro-transactions in games. With the largest spenders being refer to the largest animals to exist in this case.

 

An example of tiering goes:

 

Minnow: largest group that spend the minimum amount usually, for example I'd say someone paying $5-$10 (stretching a bit here) for WG titles.

 

Dolphins: smaller but decent sized group, they spend an average amount usually, say $15-$25 for WG titles.

 

Whales: Smallest group that spend the largest amount, those are your guys who'd spend, say, $50-$100 or even more. A month.

 

This is just an example and I am sure there are other ways customers are described, but this is the most common I've seen.

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41 minutes ago, BiggieD61 said:

It came from Vegas, it's a term describing gamblers ( mostly from Asia ) who bet big and lost huge sums to the casinos, who in turn gave them free luxury rooms, free meals and drinks and whatever else the gambler wanted.

Casinos battles each other to land and keep these high roller gamblers, they were a big deal, hence the term "whales".

^^ Correct

 

 

Are they hated in WOWs? Not to my knowledge.

What do you care if someone spends cash for Premium ships or Premium time, or buys more containers and gets more oil/flags/camo?

I care for how they play, and contribute to the team. Have more flags to use? The limit is still 8, regardless of how much money you spent. Big deal.

More oil? Helps the Clan so they should be happy to have a whale or two in it. I don't see a problem (can't speak for other games).

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I do think this is the first time I have heard big spenders called "whales".  Well u have the right to spend ZERO and u have the right to spend $$$$$$$$ of dollars. Big deal. :Smile_glasses:

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I mean, I don't hate them. Newly released premium ships are always the easy pickings in random queue :Smile_playing:

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On 11/14/2017 at 9:39 PM, Accident_Sorry said:

I thought 'Wallet Warrior' was the correct term.

 

That's different. A Whale is just someone who spends a lot of money on a title. A Wallet Warrior thinks they're superior to everyone else because they do.

 

 

On 11/14/2017 at 7:25 PM, Mr_Alex said:

 Of all Star Wars titles including BattleFront and Galaxy of Heroes which was released by EA dice and Force Arena released by Netmarble, it seems there is a big time hatred towards people who spend massive amounts I.E. $2,000 to $10,000 a week on cards, loot boxes and etc. Is there any reason why there is hatred or resentment towards these kind of people?

It's for two reasons:
   A) They're dumping more on virtual luxuries than most of us have to put towards our loans/mortages

   B) (the biggest reason) They are enabling companies like EA to continue microtransactioning the hell out of the games they make and remain profitable because they lack discipline. Thus, any boycott the players try to enforce, like one of BattleFront II, usually fails because a bunch of whales can't go without spending huge sums on the game.

 

   That second reason, in fact, is why EA has switched to a "Microtransactions Only" policy, as they can go whaling easier with it, and it is the very reason that EA has only released Sports sims and Shooters lately: You can't Microtransaction C&C to Hell and back. It just doesn't work that way. You have to put time and effort into it, and EA does not want to put either of those things in because they're lazy.

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On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 8:07 AM, Carrier_Lexington said:

That's different. A Whale is just someone who spends a lot of money on a title. A Wallet Warrior thinks they're superior to everyone else because they do.

definition - Whale.

A high roller, also referred to as a whale, is a gambler who consistently wagers large amounts of money. High rollers often receive lavish "comps" from casinos to lure them onto the gambling floors, such as free private jet transfers, limousine use and use of the casinos' best suites.

Since WOWS is more of a SPORT than gambling, I would outright reject your assessment.  There are no WHALES at WOWS.

 

Urban Dictionary:  'Wallet Warrior'  A player of a Micropayment based game that gets all of the good items by paying for them instead of earning them through playing the game.

Ummmm...    Yup!  That item seems to fit.

Next.

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used to live in Vegas. there were high rollers, big spenders, LLs, residents, GAs, and IRS agents.

LL = Local Loser, who because local because they spent so much money they couldn't get back to where they came from,

GA = Gambling Addicts, who often times became LLs,

IRS agents = people who got kicked out of the mob, were angry and after revenge.

don't know how it works in game. I would probably be a microscopic spender, and base it on the best deal when there are sales for stuff I actually want. santa crates.... s a n t a   c r a t e s . . . . . . 

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Support for EA, Konami, Capcom, Eidos, and so forth perpetuates all sorts of fuckery and those companies are bad for gaming.

 

Fortunately I only play Botes and Tanks now  ((:

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7 hours ago, Accident_Sorry said:

A high roller, also referred to as a whale, is a gambler who consistently wagers large amounts of money. High rollers often receive lavish "comps" from casinos to lure them onto the gambling floors, such as free private jet transfers, limousine use and use of the casinos' best suites.

Urban Dictionary:  'Wallet Warrior'  A player of a Micropayment based game that gets all of the good items by paying for them instead of earning them through playing the game.

First of all, the term has been reappropriated. After all, what is it that gives a word meaning, the dictionary or the people who use the words? I hope you can see the fallacy in the argument that the dictionary decides what words mean.

 

And I don't trust Urban Dictionary because it runs on User-Subs, and, as such, are usually incomplete at best, and downright wrong or biased at worst.

NEXT!

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7 hours ago, Carrier_Lexington said:

First of all, the term has been reappropriated. After all, what is it that gives a word meaning, the dictionary or the people who use the words? I hope you can see the fallacy in the argument that the dictionary decides what words mean.

 

And I don't trust Urban Dictionary because it runs on User-Subs, and, as such, are usually incomplete at best, and downright wrong or biased at worst.

NEXT!

You are a liar 

 

UrbanDictionary is one of the most underrated resources on the internet you pathetic soy boy

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soy+boy

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3 hours ago, Bolo_MkXX_Tremendous_DMD said:

UrbanDictionary is one of the most underrated resources on the internet you pathetic soy boy

  Oh, well if that's the case, then I'll just make sure to use it as a source on my next college research essay /s.

 

Urban Dictionary is good for getting a basic understanding on slang. It is not a credible source for anything.

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I think it depends on the game for me.  Here in WoWS, I've never had a problem with people who spend money because I see no limit of my own fun and their spending doesn't give them any real advantage over me.  Now another game I play there is a huge difference between those who don't spend, spend a little an a lot.  That game has a wall which limits my fun as the higher spenders do get rewards, more stuff and when fighting them they have a very distinct advantage.

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On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 2:51 AM, Crucis said:

Why are they called "whales" in the first place?

Maybe because there is nothing 'Fishy' about them?

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