RN Destroyers - a forgotten line?

[Herr_Reitz]

Every so often I journey into the depths of the forum for RN DD updates. I'm not seeing/hearing/reading anything... so I wonder if you guys thought it weird the new Pan Asian line, when released, will contain a number of British designed and/or built ships? Tiers 3, 5 and 7 specifically.

 

So I'm presuming the Tier 3 is the Campbeltown? Oh no, that would be a wrong presumption, as she "belonged to a series of US flush deckers" and in 1940 she was "transferred" to the UK. 

 

So is my desire for some new, RN destroyers going to have to be satiated by the PA line's 3,5 and 7 ships? Hmm

[Umikami]

unless your desire can be satiated by WoW's bullship.

[thegamefilmguruman]

I think the PA line is testing ships that have a good possibility of showing what the RN DD line will be.  As for the british DDs in the PA line:
T3 is British R-Class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-class_destroyer_(1916)
T7 is British N-Class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-,_K-_and_N-class_destroyer

T5 is an unbuilt ship designed in Britian for China, so not a British DD.

 

[Wolcott]

1 hour ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

T5 is an unbuilt ship designed in Britian for China, so not a British DD.

 

But a British design nonetheless.

[kerensky914]

Also, don't forget that Vampire has been teased, so there's your RN V/W class, even if she'll be a commonwealth ship.

[thegamefilmguruman]

8 hours ago, Wolcott said:

But a British design nonetheless.

Fair enough.

[Herr_Reitz]

I guess what I'm not liking so much... is sneaking two of the ships into the PA line... how about some form of update on the RN DD line, WoWS/WG? 

[mofton]

As far as I'm aware there is no solid news.

I would speculate that given the resources needed to model them are fairly slight, they will be low hanging fruit next year. WG have already implemented British built ships at T2, T3, T5, T6 and T7 there's a lot of ground work. They've put some of the workhorse weapons into the game with the 4.7/45 on the Gallant and Anthony, the 4in guns on Vampire/Phra Ruang, and the Neptune's 4.5in secondaries.

The Gadjah Mada's the most interesting upcoming ship to me - the T2 is irrelevant at a 2-game tier, the T5's not built but the JKN class - I love. I'm especially pleased they gave X turret 360' traverse which makes it better at attacking.

[Herr_Reitz]

360 turrets are always good... the only reason i can figure every ship didn't have them would be due to resource and production costs to manufacture the ship... longer ship is bigger ship, cost more money to design, build and armor.

[Herr_Reitz]

I guess I'll have to spend my free xp on the PA line... ah well

[Wolcott]

6 hours ago, Herr_Reitz said:

I guess I'll have to spend my free xp on the PA line... ah well

IMO you should save your free XP and stick with Gallant for now. If you're into this line just for the RN DDs then you might as well get Blyskawica as she was designed and built by the British. Vampire too when she comes out.

[Herr_Reitz]

Vampire does intrigue me... watche NoZoup's short video on the upcoming ships... looks like it could be a real terror at T3... 

[NoCoGaming3645]

The problem I have with adding anything new at this point is that the existing state of the game is in pretty bad shape.

There are serious balance issues that the continual add of new ships make MUCH worse, and (even worse, IMHO) also very obviously distracts from bugfixing and feature reimplementation/correction.

 

Frankly, the last couple of lines (Pan-Asian, French, and even RN BBs) didn't really add anything in terms of new playstyles or strategies, and in fact seem to have hurt the existing player experience significantly.  That is, they were pretty much just gimmicks or more-of-the-same.

Note that this is distinct from things like the last smoke change, which DID impact the meta (and playstyle/strategy). Even the RN BBs haven't impacted the meta, they just broke everything instead.

WG seems to be stuck in the "must add new features" problem of software development, where they haven't figured out how to make more money off the existing userbase other than to introduce more and more "features" (re: new ships).  Despite the fact that this makes the game more and more problematic, both for new players and for a significant portion of the current users.  It's a shame, because there are a large number of (at least to me) obvious ways to continue to make money without having to continually pump new product into the system.

I'd really rather them NOT look at adding any new lines for at least a year or so (heck, the Pan Asian line shouldn't be added, but that horse has left the barn already).  The RN DD line is pretty much something that would add nothing to the game unless WG came up with some whole new gimmick (see: Deep Water Torpedoes), and it's pretty certain that if they did, that gimmick would break everything instead of adding to the experience.

[SavageTactical]

Pan Asian is a answer for a question nobody asked. RN DDs would have been preferred.

[Herr_Reitz]

On 11/14/2017 at 1:12 PM, SavageTactical said:

Pan Asian is a answer for a question nobody asked. RN DDs would have been preferred.

 

Sort of where I was/am without actually saying it... thanks ;-) 

[zubalkabir]

Below is an excerpt from an old board game called Battlewagon, which shows British WW2 DD classes.

PV=point value

SP=speed (Hexes per turn - a turn being 10 minutes, and a hex being 2,000 yards.  Not precise, since it involves rounding.  Most DDs in the game are speed 6, with a few 7s.  Speed 6 is roughly 35-37knots)

FL=flotation.  A measure of watertight integrity and compartmentalization.  All DDs are 1.  CLs are mostly 2. CAs are mostly 3.  BBs/BCs are 5-17.  When you take damage and all your FLs are gone, you sink.

BL=belt armor / DK=deck armor / TR=turret armor / TT=turret top armor.  Measured in inches, with a + being a partial inch.

MG=main gun.  4BB and 4CC means versions of 4" guns.  4BB range 8 hexes (16k yards) / 4CC range 9 hexes (18k yards).  No doubt this would be reduced in WoW.

A/B/C/D= forward turrets  / W/X/Y/Z = rear turrets / FX/RX means they are centerline mounted, with roughly 270 degree firing arcs.

SEC/TER=secondary/tertiary guns

TP=torpedo type.  If I recall correctly, type H has a range of 6-8 hexes, or 12k-16k yards.  If they follow precedent, it will be much lower in WoW, since that would be 18-24 km.

1/2/3/4=torpedo mounts, with the number of torpedoes in each mount.  [edited]=both sides (firing arc).  If they could only fire to the left or right, they'd be LS/RS.

Year is when the first one was laid down, commissioned, or refitted for WW2.  I don't think the lend-lease former US DDs are reflected here.

QTY=number built or planned.

 

Type	Ship Name	PV	SP	FL	BL	DK	TR	TT	MG	A	B	C	D	W	X	Y	Z	SEC	TER	TP	1	2	3	4	YEAR	QTY
DD	A-H Classes	31	6	1	+	0	0	0	4BB	1FX	1FX					1RX	1RX	-	-	H	4BS	4BS	-	-	1929	74
DD	I Class	34	6	1	+	0	0	0	4BB	1FX	1FX					1RX	1RX	-	-	H	5BS	5BS	-	-	1936	11
DD	Tribal Class	42	6	1	+	0	0	0	4BB	2FX	2FX					2RX	2RX	-	-	H	4BS	-	-	-	1937	27
DD	J/K Classes	43	6	1	+	0	0	0	4BB	2FX	2FX						2RX	-	-	H	5BS	5BS	-	-	1938	16
DD	L/M Classes	40	6	1	+	0	0	0	4BB	2FX	2FX						2RX	-	-	H	4BS	4BS	-	-	1939	16
DD	N Class	34	6	1	+	0	0	0	4CC	2FX	2FX						2RX	-	-	H	5BS	5BS	-	-	1940	8
DD	O-W Classes	25	6	1	+	0	0	0	4CC	1FX	1FX					1RX	1RX	-	-	H	4BS	4BS	-	-	1941	72
DD	Z/CA/CH/CO/CR	25	6	1	+	0	0	0	4CC	1FX	1FX					1RX	1RX	-	-	H	4BS	4BS	-	-	1943	40
DD	Battle Class	28	6	1	+	0	0	0	4CC	1FX	1FX					1RX	1RX	-	-	H	5BS	5BS	-	-	1943	23
DE	Hunt	13	4	1	+	0	0	0	4CC	2FX							2RX	-	-	H	2BS	-	-	-	1940

[Volga1987]

We just got RN Battleships and you already start with "RN DDs, a forgotten line" have some patience damn it.

[mofton]

6 hours ago, Volga1987 said:

We just got RN Battleships and you already start with "RN DDs, a forgotten line" have some patience damn it.

Ze German line got their battleships in August 2016, and their destroyers in December 2016. That gives them a total of 3 lines.

The RN's finally, 9 months after the Germans got a 3rd line been graced with a second line and still lags.

Pretty forgotten to me.

[Volga1987]

9 minutes ago, mofton said:

Ze German line got their battleships in August 2016, and their destroyers in December 2016. That gives them a total of 3 lines.

The RN's finally, 9 months after the Germans got a 3rd line been graced with a second line and still lags.

Pretty forgotten to me.

Please, its like they can do nothing else than to add RN destoyers, Beople wanted the BBs and got them, now you search for something else to cry on the forum?

[mofton]

Just now, Volga1987 said:

Please, its like they can do nothing else than to add RN destoyers, Beople wanted the BBs and got them, now you search for something else to cry on the forum?

Is asking for parity with the German line so outrageous?

[Volga1987]

Just now, mofton said:

Is asking for parity with the German line so outrageous?

Wyh even compare it with the germans in the first place?

[mofton]

1 minute ago, Volga1987 said:

Wyh even compare it with the germans in the first place?

Because the German line is another follow-up to the first two. Also because it went KMBB - RNCL - KMDD suggesting that having a narrow gap between lines of one nation is ok (now we have RNBB - PADD - FRBB - ??). I also feel like it's low hanging fruit with them putting out a Commonwealth premium and 3 British designed ships in the PA-DD line - it's kinda like they're taunting me!

Finally, because as the RN was the German adversary in almost every one of their historic fights the RN is at minimum as historically relevant, and with fights against the Italians and Japanese even more so.

[Volga1987]

4 minutes ago, mofton said:

Because the German line is another follow-up to the first two. Also because it went KMBB - RNCL - KMDD suggesting that having a narrow gap between lines of one nation is ok (now we have RNBB - PADD - FRBB - ??). I also feel like it's low hanging fruit with them putting out a Commonwealth premium and 3 British designed ships in the PA-DD line - it's kinda like they're taunting me!

Finally, because as the RN was the German adversary in almost every one of their historic fights the RN is at minimum as historically relevant, and with fights against the Italians and Japanese even more so.

I dont think that there is a pattern, in what lines will be released. I would rather have an italian line first before the RN DDs, just so we have even more variations in playable nations.

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

Seems like much of the lower tier RN destroyer line would require minimum effort to produce at this point. There is some random Tribal that is in the works, Mohawk being the obvious choice although Bedouin is a valid second option. Really only leaves the upper tier destroyers in question imoo.

[zubalkabir]

I think they are figuring out what to do with British, French, and Italian DDs to make them stand out and be a little different from what's already out there.

IJN - good torpedoes and stealth, in exchange for slow turret rotation and high spotting range on their otherwise good torps. Some tiers fast, and others slow.

KM - kind of second best in each category, which means they're not really weak anywhere.  And then add hydro.

US - good, fast firing guns, and eventually good torpedoes at higher tiers.  Not especially fast.

Russians - fast with good guns.  Short range on torpedoes, a bit sluggish on turning, and big targets.

French - will probably be fast.  Won't carry a lot of torps (no more than 6 able to fire to either side), so they'll probably be good ones. Either that or the guns will get buffed.

Itallians - similar to French.  Maybe a bit faster, since the Italian navy was obsessed with speed.

British - probably average speed.  Fast firing guns, but low damage due to caliber (all smaller than 5").  Average torpedoes - able to fire 9-10 in a broadside. 

Now, as to special capabilities, maybe we'll see something new, or just variations on what's already out there.  Maybe radar for British?