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All this USN CA/CL Split Hype, Just Here, Still Waiting for Super Shimakaze

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The current IJN DD lines can get a few additions to make them both reach T10. On Shimakaze's side, add a super shimakaze, remove one of the [edited] T8 or 9 DD. On Akizuki's side, add one in tier 7 or 8, then add Super Akizuki at tier 10 - basically a smaller Minotaur.

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I'd rather they not add a "Super Shimakaze," personally.  Removing one of the few non-paper tier 10 ships the game is ever going to have just to shoehorn in some rough sketch blueprint wouldn't be a positive, in my mind, especially if they make room for it by dropping one of the non-paper ships further down the line.  Leave the IJN DD line with all its real ships, please.  If the Shimakaze needs a further buff or something, just give it one but leave it at tier 10 where it belongs.

 

If they want to extend the Akizuki subline to tier 10 that's a different story, since they'd obviously have to use a couple paper ships to do that.

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May as well just ask for Kitakami instead.

 

As last changed before disappearing:

  • No citadel
  • CBT-style IJN Smoke
  • Pre-nerf 15km Long Lances
  • Separate Speed Boost Consumable

Now that Deep Water torps, artificially improved maneuverability, and artificially improved concealment is a thing, Kitakami can add them to her repertoire. In addition to the previous list:

  • Reduce concealment to match Atago's when fully spec'd
  • Using double Rudder Shift Mods rather than the Concealment Module and either the Fire/Flood chance reduction module or the Propulsion Mod to give her near DD-like maneuverability rather than CL-like maneuverability.
  • Make 15km Long Lances DW types, only harming CA and BBs
  • Add Zao's 8km hyperfast torpedoes for suicide glory runs.
  • Add 10km Long Lance option that act just like most all IJN 10km torpedoes; able to hit everything with a semi-reasonable concealment value and speed

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5 hours ago, NeutralState said:

The current IJN DD lines can get a few additions to make them both reach T10. On Shimakaze's side, add a super shimakaze, remove one of the [edited] T8 or 9 DD. On Akizuki's side, add one in tier 7 or 8, then add Super Akizuki at tier 10 - basically a smaller Minotaur.

I am curious as to what you would add to Shimakaze to make her "super"? (I'm also curious about exactly what they will add to Akizuki to make her "super".)

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6 hours ago, NeutralState said:

The current IJN DD lines can get a few additions to make them both reach T10. On Shimakaze's side, add a super shimakaze, remove one of the [edited] T8 or 9 DD. On Akizuki's side, add one in tier 7 or 8, then add Super Akizuki at tier 10 - basically a smaller Minotaur.

People hate the current Shima because of her 15torp walls of skill.

And you want to introduce a "super" version of that?

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There is no such thing as a Super Shimakaze.

There was a Shimakaze design study with different torpedo configuration. 2x septuple (7) launchers

There was a planned mass production Shimakaze with exactly the same weapons as Shimakaze. 3x Twin 12.7cm and 3x Quintuple launchers

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43 minutes ago, Umikami said:

I am curious as to what you would add to Shimakaze to make her "super"? (I'm also curious about exactly what they will add to Akizuki to make her "super".)

Super Akizuki was an improvement over the original Akizuki design, with an improved powerplant, and either a quintuple or sextuple torpedo launcher instead of the quad launcher.

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Still waiting?

 

The USN Cruiser Split meme is so old, it predates me joining this game in late summer 2015 in Open Beta.  The fact it looks like it's finally going to happen 2.5 years later is hilarious.

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42 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Still waiting?

 

The USN Cruiser Split meme is so old, it predates me joining this game in late summer 2015 in Open Beta.  The fact it looks like it's finally going to happen 2.5 years later is hilarious.

And only because nearly half the ships were sitting in storage.

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6 hours ago, Umikami said:

(I'm also curious about exactly what they will add to Akizuki to make her "super".)

 

"Super Akizuki" was basically a refined Akizuki design. It was slightly shorter, but slightly wider, allowing for better stability and maneuverability at sea. It was to have an upgraded engine/machinery component to increase its speed, and upgrading the quad torpedo launcher to a quintuple or sextuple launcher. Some variations of the idea adds additional medium/short-range AA added onto the wider deck, in keeping with the design being intended as a fast, AA-centric escort DD. The number of DP 10cm mounts were to have remained the same, though alternative interpretations of the concept feature a larger and slightly wider Akizuki with an additional 10cm DP mount, turning her into more of a destroyer leader or small CL (think similar to Khabarovsk, but less-armored and more realistically possible for the time period) focused on long-range AA and speed, rather than on maneuverability and speed.

 

As far as "Super Shimakaze" goes, it generally was planned simply as a refined version of Shimakaze, streamlined for mass-production. A few fan concepts of it feature a similar setup to Shimakaze; but widened for improved stability and additional engine power, with a few fan concepts going further and upgrading the torpedo launchers by 1 or 2 more tubes per launcher.

 

As far as Akizuki goes; it'd be humorous if the eventual T9 and T10 of the IJN Gunship line were both Akizukis; T9 being "Super Akizuki", and T10 being the 1959 Akizuki, but trading out the ASW equipment (the ASW mortar and separate ASW torpedo tubes) for one more 5"/54 main gun and a faster RoF. Notably, the 5"/54 is mounted on Harekaze's "C" Hull, but in a semi-nerfed state (AP nerfed and lower RoF).

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21 minutes ago, YamatoA150 said:

 

"Super Akizuki" was basically a refined Akizuki design. It was slightly shorter, but slightly wider, allowing for better stability and maneuverability at sea. It was to have an upgraded engine/machinery component to increase its speed, and upgrading the quad torpedo launcher to a quintuple or sextuple launcher. Some variations of the idea adds additional medium/short-range AA added onto the wider deck, in keeping with the design being intended as a fast, AA-centric escort DD. The number of DP 10cm mounts were to have remained the same, though alternative interpretations of the concept feature a larger and slightly wider Akizuki with an additional 10cm DP mount, turning her into more of a destroyer leader or small CL (think similar to Khabarovsk, but less-armored and more realistically possible for the time period) focused on long-range AA and speed, rather than on maneuverability and speed.

 

As far as "Super Shimakaze" goes, it generally was planned simply as a refined version of Shimakaze, streamlined for mass-production. A few fan concepts of it feature a similar setup to Shimakaze; but widened for improved stability and additional engine power, with a few fan concepts going further and upgrading the torpedo launchers by 1 or 2 more tubes per launcher.

 

As far as Akizuki goes; it'd be humorous if the eventual T9 and T10 of the IJN Gunship line were both Akizukis; T9 being "Super Akizuki", and T10 being the 1959 Akizuki, but trading out the ASW equipment (the ASW mortar and separate ASW torpedo tubes) for one more 5"/54 main gun and a faster RoF. Notably, the 5"/54 is mounted on Harekaze's "C" Hull, but in a semi-nerfed state (AP nerfed and lower RoF).

 

On a side note, it'd be interesting if WG implemented Post-WWII, early JMSDF ships.  A few of those DDs would be Fletchers that fought against Japan and given to them after the war to help bolster the new JMSDF.

 

Imagine your IJN DD captain getting to play with Fletcher torpedoes :Smile_hiding:

 

Lastly, I still get a kick that the JMSDF kept the same naval ensign they had in the Imperial era.  I don't mind really, it's actually a very distinct flag.

 

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8 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

On a side note, it'd be interesting if WG implemented Post-WWII, early JMSDF ships.  A few of those DDs would be Fletchers that fought against Japan and given to them after the war to help bolster the new JMSDF.

 

Imagine your IJN DD captain getting to play with Fletcher torpedoes :Smile_hiding:

 

Lastly, I still get a kick that the JMSDF kept the same naval ensign they had in the Imperial era.  I don't mind really, it's actually a very distinct flag.

 

 

Given that the Pan Asian line is using DDs given to them post-war, and the VMF nation in general uses late-war to cold-war era designs, it wouldn't be unusual for the IJN to later have a few Fletcher-class and other early post-war JMSDF DDs either as part of another line split or as Premiums. Throw in the fact that pretty much only the JMSDF got to make use of the 5"/54 Mk 16 guns, and you'd have an interesting hybrid if they all gain the full 18 RPM, fast traverse, and pre-nerf AP shells they had (also modestly buffing Harekaze's "C" Hull to be a more enticing choice over her "B" Hull). And yeah, the Fletcher's torps under IJN management would be especially nasty, even if they don't get a torpedo reload booster.

 

As well, the flag fits perfectly within the setting anyway.

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8 hours ago, Umikami said:

I am curious as to what you would add to Shimakaze to make her "super"? (I'm also curious about exactly what they will add to Akizuki to make her "super".)

 

T9 Akizuki = Akizuki  + Shimakze hull

T10 Akizuki = T9 Akizuki + Yugumo torps

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2 hours ago, YamatoA150 said:

 

As far as Akizuki goes; it'd be humorous if the eventual T9 and T10 of the IJN Gunship line were both Akizukis; T9 being "Super Akizuki", and T10 being the 1959 Akizuki, but trading out the ASW equipment (the ASW mortar and separate ASW torpedo tubes) for one more 5"/54 main gun and a faster RoF. Notably, the 5"/54 is mounted on Harekaze's "C" Hull, but in a semi-nerfed state (AP nerfed and lower RoF).

As much as I want 1959 Akizuki, I feel like it would be doomed to tier 8.  3 guns, 2k ton displacement, 1 torpedo tube, it doesn't have it.  I kinda wanted to see this instead of the Harekaze, giving it US torps with TRB, and  maybe Hydro to reflect all of the ASW equipment it has, but it would be hilarious if they did fit in three Akizuki's into one line.

 

I'm always open to the 2010 Akizuki with missiles and radar though 

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So what is all this stuff about IJN ships in the game not being able to fly the Rising Sun flag?

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1 minute ago, slokill_1 said:

So what is all this stuff about IJN ships in the game not being able to fly the Rising Sun flag?

 

Same reason the actual Nazi symbol isn't flown or painted on the appropriate ships, or part of the decoration if they had it (such as the Nazi Eagle crest, one of which was recently salvaged from the Graf Spee wreck not too long ago). It offends a few countries and might require an increase in rating, so rather than making it an optional toggle that is off by default like all the non-historical skins/camo, or tied to language settings/location, WG chose to just outright replace them with more generic versions. In this case, the regular Japanese flag and the Iron Cross on Nazi-era warships.

 

Of course, there's still some complaints about the hammer and sickle too, but that gets a pass because it's WG.

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2 hours ago, YamatoA150 said:

 

Same reason the actual Nazi symbol isn't flown or painted on the appropriate ships, or part of the decoration if they had it (such as the Nazi Eagle crest, one of which was recently salvaged from the Graf Spee wreck not too long ago). It offends a few countries and might require an increase in rating, so rather than making it an optional toggle that is off by default like all the non-historical skins/camo, or tied to language settings/location, WG chose to just outright replace them with more generic versions. In this case, the regular Japanese flag and the Iron Cross on Nazi-era warships.

 

Of course, there's still some complaints about the hammer and sickle too, but that gets a pass because it's WG.

Rising sun pre-dates WWII by about 70 years. Swastika was the chosen symbol for Nazi Germany. Theres a difference.

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6 minutes ago, ksix said:

Rising sun pre-dates WWII by about 70 years. Swastika was the chosen symbol for Nazi Germany. Theres a difference.

 

But then they'd lose out on the Chinese and Korean markets who still hate Japan! /s

 

The former doesn't matter as they reskin all Flags and rename all Nationalities into fictional ones anyway, and the latter is an issue only because of how deeply into MMOs and E-Sports they are.

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But the Rising Sun is being flown on Japanese warships today as seen in the video, so I don't see the problem.

Heck, some older vets from Germany or Japan may be offended by the Stars and Stripes.

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13 hours ago, ksix said:

Rising sun pre-dates WWII by about 70 years. Swastika was the chosen symbol for Nazi Germany. Theres a difference.

Not really.

The swastika predates Nazi Germany by thousands of years. IIRC it is a Pagan or Druidic symbol used and corrupted by Hitler and goons.

I was just in New Orleans at a bar with Green Swastikas all over the floor in tiles. The building was built in the 1800s. Need less to say there were signs about it and the Bartender had some pretty great "I'm offended" stories.

 

Personally I think both should be in game but I understand why they are not. This is a global game and the rising sun was the symbol of death and oppression for many SE Asian countries. 

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Super Shimakaze? More like I'm waiting for my Super Akizuki. Still sitting here at tier 8.

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On 11/12/2017 at 4:23 AM, Umikami said:

I am curious as to what you would add to Shimakaze to make her "super"? (I'm also curious about exactly what they will add to Akizuki to make her "super".)

Shimakaze, I got nothing, but there actually was a Super Akizuki design in development near the end of the war that was, essentially, Akizuki with Shimakaze's powerplant.

 

Which means that instead of 33 knots, she goes 41 knots. This would be my proposal for the tier 9 branch line ship.

 

The tier 10 branch line would be the Super Akizuki with late war designed 12.7cm DP guns with the autoloaders that the IJN was developing. An up-gunned and faster Akizuki.

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20 hours ago, slokill_1 said:

But the Rising Sun is being flown on Japanese warships today as seen in the video, so I don't see the problem.

 

Honestly, unless you live in one of the countries Japan occupied, you wouldn't see it. I don't mean that statement personally. It's just a matter of how human beings see things. If it doesn't affect you (I am using "you" in the general sense) or people like you it doesn't hold as much meaning. Read up on the [edited] of Nanking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre and remember that was just one of a series of similar incidents that the Japanese perpetrated against unarmed civilians in lands they conquered, and it isn't hard to see why most Asian Pacific Rim countries resent the sight of the Rising Sun, even now. If you've ever seen video of the newsreels of the time  it is truly horrifying. I remember seeing video of Japanese soldiers hacking children with swords and bayonets

You'd get the same reaction from most of Europe if Germany started mounting a swastika. The difference is Germany has apologized a lot over the years and has done its utmost to be sincere about it. Japan apologizes on one hand, then honors the war graves of the perpetrators on the other for example, and other Asian countries see that as insincere. Even now, there are residual issues left over from Japanese occupation,  the issue of the Comfort Women for example   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women  , and Japan refused to make any reparations to them or acknowledge that they kidnapped women and forced them into prostitution even though there are only a handful of these women left alive, most of whom could use the assistance. These issues make little news here in the US, but they are huge issues in parts of Asia.  Make no mistake, the other Pacific Rim Asian countries don't particularly like the Japanese even now. They haven't forgotten what they did and haven't forgiven the fact that Japan doesn't issue an unconditional apology and make reparations. They trade with Japan because they have to, that doesn't mean they like it or them.

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