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It seems to me that Kaga is really exaggerated OP. I've seen it in action several times, but today, a few minutes from the start, a Saipan destroyed in 3 minutes. Destroyed the fighters in a moment and was sunk shortly after. Beyond all the damage caused to the ships in battle.

In short, what sort of ship did you do ???

You have deployed the British cruisers, which now serve as a battleship moored at the harbor; depoted a bit is Kaga because it is just meaningless.

 

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2 minutes ago, Ombromondo said:

It seems to me that Kaga is really exaggerated OP. I've seen it in action several times, but today, a few minutes from the start, a Saipan destroyed in 3 minutes. Destroyed the fighters in a moment and was sunk shortly after. Beyond all the damage caused to the ships in battle.

In short, what sort of ship did you do ???

You have deployed the British cruisers, which now serve as a battleship moored at the harbor; depoted a bit is Kaga because it is just meaningless.

 

You don't have to be good at playing it, just buy it!

The stats agree with you.

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I brawled with a bot Iowa with one.  Those 8 inchers really pack a wallop.

Ended up killing the Iowa, and torping myself with auto-drops in the process.

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TBH no competent Saipan player should get destroyed by a Kaga at the start of the match especially with the strafe out for free ability.

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33 minutes ago, RipNuN2 said:

TBH no competent Saipan player should get destroyed by a Kaga at the start of the match especially with the strafe out for free ability.


This.  I've seen Kaga's do amazing work.  And I've seen Kaga's do terrible work.  

It, as always the case with the driver, depends greatly on who in controlling the CV. 

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As far as I know, the saipan should be able to win the air war. The 2 kaga fighter can be annoying to deal with but the bombers die in masses as soon as a strafe graze them. However, the kaga have enough strike power to destroy a saipan should his fighters be out of position or dead. Otherwise it become a game of tag with the saipan fighters much faster than the kaga strike package. If he doesn't intercept the strike on the way in, he will on the way back.

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The Kaga having it's only counter being another Premium CV carrying 28 planes isn't exactly a great argument. Plus the Kaga could simply spread out his squads. 

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I never really thought much of Kaga's one way or another until a (very good) Saipan player said in chat that they preferred their Kaga. That got my attention. 

 

As a destroyer player I hate Saipans with a passion, so if someone good in one of those boats thinks they could do better in a Kaga. Ouch.

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1 minute ago, Madwolf05 said:

The Kaga having it's only counter being another Premium CV carrying 28 planes isn't exactly a great argument. Plus the Kaga could simply spread out his squads. 

It's 24 T9 fighters and 24 T9 bombers that have high hp, dps and move very quickly. The bombers also drop like flies when attacked. The saipan have as much fighter and tbs as the hiryu, the lower plane count is a lie since only the not so useful dbs are not here.

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Kaga's strike hits very hard, but her planes are slow and get ripped apart by higher tier AA. Basically, she's the anti-Saipan in that regard, and if you can get some decent AA coverage going, you can really stifle the ship's effectiveness. I'm not saying that she's not OP, but she does have counters.

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I meant 48, been an early morning.

 

Regardless the TBs will die, even if not the full squad with every attack.

 

The Fighters can be wittled down through the Kaga's own staffing, tie ups, and positional play.

 

The Saipan would be awful if it had the strafe out penalty. The Kaga will still get damage, and generally a lot, even when it faces the Saipan, yet the Saipan is the problem?

 

That's an incredibly didficult argument to believe.

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You know what is really OP about the Kaga? Those secondaries...

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1 hour ago, Madwolf05 said:

I meant 48, been an early morning.

 

Regardless the TBs will die, even if not the full squad with every attack.

 

The Fighters can be wittled down through the Kaga's own staffing, tie ups, and positional play.

 

The Saipan would be awful if it had the strafe out penalty. The Kaga will still get damage, and generally a lot, even when it faces the Saipan, yet the Saipan is the problem?

 

That's an incredibly didficult argument to believe.

Saipan is a problem because it has the ability to cause a very high attrition rate for the kaga strike package. If he get you everytime, you can only strike 2-4 times and that is if he intercepted you after you attacked.

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While I am at best an average CV player, anytime my Kaga goes against a Saipan his fighters decimate Kags planes.

Extremely difficult to stay out of the Saipans fighters path. Kinda have to bait and switch to get TBs through and even then the enormous hanger capacity is depleted quickly.

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Part of the reason Kaga does so well is the inexplicable popularity of the Ranger. The only Ranger load out that can keep the Kaga in check is 2-0-2, and that's not a very popular load out.

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2 hours ago, DingBat said:

I never really thought much of Kaga's one way or another until a (very good) Saipan player said in chat that they preferred their Kaga. That got my attention. 

 

As a destroyer player I hate Saipans with a passion, so if someone good in one of those boats thinks they could do better in a Kaga. Ouch.

being a nobob at CVs I am not surprised and after careful consideration (looking at all reviews I could find) I picked Kaga for this very reason.  It seemed to me to be the more refined and thinking man's ship for the most thinking man class of all in this game.

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Kaga is extremely strong but it's also a CV easily countered in air-to-air fighting.  Savvy CV players, AS CVs, Saipan should walk all over her.  Those Tier VI fighters in a Tier VII CV are a major weakness and should be abused by their foe.  If that isn't being exploited, then opposing CV is an idiot.

 

This CV is so polarizing in what it can do.  She literally has the firepower to wreck teams on her own, but her fighters are so bad that she is prone to suffer badly and suffer lots of losses to make her irrelevant earlier.

1 hour ago, cometguy said:

Part of the reason Kaga does so well is the inexplicable popularity of the Ranger. The only Ranger load out that can keep the Kaga in check is 2-0-2, and that's not a very popular load out.

 

Indeed, Stock or Strike Ranger cannot stop a Kaga CV Nuke.  Every time I see a Kaga CV Nuke its counterpart in one attack run, it's always a scrub Ranger.  Honestly, every Kaga player should go straight for the Ranger and take it out in the first attack run once it's apparent it's a Non-AS Ranger.  There is nothing Ranger can do.

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5 hours ago, Ombromondo said:

It seems to me that Kaga is really exaggerated OP. I've seen it in action several times, but today, a few minutes from the start, a Saipan destroyed in 3 minutes. Destroyed the fighters in a moment and was sunk shortly after. Beyond all the damage caused to the ships in battle.

In short, what sort of ship did you do ???

You have deployed the British cruisers, which now serve as a battleship moored at the harbor; depoted a bit is Kaga because it is just meaningless.

 

You don't have to be good at playing it, just buy it!

That Sapain was bad.  Sapain sh!ts on the Kaga.

 

Edit: misspelling intentional.

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5 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Kaga is extremely strong but it's also a CV easily countered in air-to-air fighting. 

Kaga seems to sum up a lot of general issues with CV's: Games too much decided by carrier MM before the countdown even ends, games too dependent on the friendly CV being competent...

57% WR, most damaging ship at T7, second highest plane kills. Good thing they banned Belfast from sale instead...

 

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4 hours ago, DingBat said:

I never really thought much of Kaga's one way or another until a (very good) Saipan player said in chat that they preferred their Kaga. That got my attention. 

 

As a destroyer player I hate Saipans with a passion, so if someone good in one of those boats thinks they could do better in a Kaga. Ouch.

A really good CV player can out maneuver an average CV player, and in terms of strike power the Kaga is scary as all hell.

 

But against equal competition the Kaga shouldn't be able to get his strike off.

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Just now, mofton said:

Kaga seems to sum up a lot of general issues with CV's: Games too much decided by carrier MM before the countdown even ends, games too dependent on the friendly CV being competent...

57% WR, most damaging ship at T7, second highest plane kills. Good thing they banned Belfast from sale instead...

 

 

It's like when you look you see a Kaga on your team.

"Oh hell yeah, this dude is going to nuke a bunch of faces.  We'll have an easy win."

Then you look at the Saipan on the other team.

"Well..."

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5 hours ago, Ombromondo said:

It seems to me that Kaga is really exaggerated OP. I've seen it in action several times, but today, a few minutes from the start, a Saipan destroyed in 3 minutes. Destroyed the fighters in a moment and was sunk shortly after. Beyond all the damage caused to the ships in battle.

In short, what sort of ship did you do ???

You have deployed the British cruisers, which now serve as a battleship moored at the harbor; depoted a bit is Kaga because it is just meaningless.

 

You don't have to be good at playing it, just buy it!

ummm sure bro probably the worst Saipan I ever heard of,  luv to crush Kaga in my Saipan own all CV and Saipan will destroy Kaga Strafe city baby 

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