do NOT buy Prinz Eugen - it's trash in this game

[HolyWaterCow]

The Prinz Eugen is the worst Premium ship you can buy. No outstanding qualities and several weaknesses and to top it off, it is very expensive.

This post sums it up well:

13 hours ago, thehelmsman said:

 

It's bad when you consider that New Orleans--long regarded as the worst tier 8 cruiser before it was buffed--has 12 second reload (and with an additional gun to boot), is nearly 2km stealthier than Hipper (2.4 better than Eugen), AND it has radar. Charles Martel has 10 second reload and an additional gun, plus better maneuverability and a speed boost to help it disengage when it needs to. Atago's slow rate of fire is needed because of its high fire chance and additional broadside weight, not to mention the fact that Atago has good torpedoes that it can launch with a fairly comfy 0.9km stealth window, plus it used to be able to stealth fire before that mechanic was removed from the game. Hipper/PE is extremely underwhelming and the only thing it really has going for it (good AA) is situational at best. New Orleans went from being a worthless tier 8 to being a specialist DD hunter and smoke bully, and in that role it has few equals. A New Orleans popping up at 9.1km is a nightmare scenario for any DD, regardless of tier. It's still mediocre at everything else, but at least it has one thing that it excels at.

Hipper/Eugen, by rights, should be good all-around cruisers without any glaring weaknesses (such as Chapayev's frailty or New Orleans' lack of torpedoes) but also without any major strengths. In theory, they are, but the fact is that pretty much every other tier 8 cruiser has a more useful toolkit and better ability to translate those tools into damage and utility for the team. Hipper and Eugen need some help. A ROF boost to 11-11.5 seconds, possibly in combination with either a heal or being able to use both hydro and defensive AA, would make them much more fun to play and much more competitive at the tier. That's all they need.

--Helms

It's a worthless ship in this game atm and WOWS clearly has capitalized on the fact that it is a famous ship IRL and knows many people in this game love naval history and want the famous Prinz Eugen. To top it off, WOWS gives the ship a +50% captain skill boost to show that there's something unique/outstanding about this premium/historical ship but it's a slap in the face considering that a +50% boost to mediocre results from the mediocre-at-best performance that this sub-par ship is capable of putting in is laughable.

So for those new to the game and love naval history, stay away from WOWS' utterly worthless version of this great ship.

[Unabletony]

It's called looking at the reviews before buying. 

[Ace_04]

Although I do think as a premium it is a weak copy and paste effort on WG's behalf, I do by no means consider Prinz Eugen to be a weak ship.  There are many forum goers on her that really enjoy her.  At the end of the day, maybe she just doesn't fit your playstyle.

 

Like many, I think you have put higher expectations on her just for her historical significance.

[LancerUlysses]

I only have a 34 battles in her, but I have won 21 of them, so IDK - I'm far from a good player. I like the ship, even if it does not perform miracles.

[thehelmsman]

No, it's objectively a weak ship in its tier. It has the worst concealment, the worst or second-worst raw DPM (perhaps only beating Atago, which has other advantages to compensate), the worst HE by far, mediocre AP that is great when you get perfect broadsides but struggles otherwise (because of the lightness and weak overall shell krupp), the worst speed, the second-worst handling, one of the worst consumable toolkits (simply because it has to choose between DefAA and Hydro when it really deserves both) for the current meta, and extremely situational torpedoes that are quite good on the rare occasions you do get to use them, but are hamstrung by their lack of range and bad concealment of the ship which, taken together, makes it very difficult to get in a position to launch them.

About the only upsides are the good AA, which is useless when MM doesn't drop you in with a carrier, and the relatively good armor.

Eugen (and Hipper for that matter) just generally lacks the things it needs to even be a comfortable all-arounder. Hipper is better just because the concealment is better, but that's not enough to make it worth keeping. I sold it in disgust the instant I unlocked Roon.

--Helms

[RipNuN2]

My bro usually does pretty well in it. The HE pen buff helped it a bit as well. *shrugs*

[Unabletony]

2 minutes ago, HolyWaterCow said:

Thanks for the smug, worthless response. The topic is addressing a great ship being crapin the game. Hipper sucks too.

Can't wait for your next smarmy response. Maybe your skinny jeans are cutting off circulation and slowing blood flow to your dim-witted brain. And go put on some eye liner you [edited].

Thanks for the response! Always want to make myself better :D

[DustRhino]

I don't have the Prince Eugen, but don't recall having trouble doing the grind through the Hipper. The tops, though only 6km, are useful in a brawl.

The play style of the Chapayev and the Mikhail Kutuzov better suit my play style, so I haven't played the Hipper munch since, though. 

[thehelmsman]

Hipper isn't as bad as New Orleans used to be. And when it came out a while back, before the powercreep really took off, it was much more competitive than it is now. It can still perform... but it requires a lot of work and it just isn't that much fun to play, especially with the near-constant tier 9 and 10 matchmaking. I would seriously rather be driving ANY other tier 8 cruiser when I get dropped in with tier 10s, because any other tier 8 cruiser has a strength to exploit.

Eugen is just straight up worse, mostly due to its terrible 11.5km conealment with a full stealth build, which is half a klick worse than Hipper (itself among the least sneaky cruisers of the tier) and really REALLY makes it a chore to drive.

--Helms

[TTK_Aegis]

She's a great ship. So is Hipper. ...and Prinz is just Hipper with a commander XP bonus, so... 

Worth buying? No not if you have Hipper. Good ship over all? Yes, every bit as good as Hipper. 

[Doomlock]

I do not find her to be worthless or bad.

 

BTW, New Orleans has a 13s reload, not 12. She has worse shell arcs and velocity than PE/Hipper.

 

PE/Hipper have very powerful AP on a broadside, and HE that pens a lot of surfaces. It may be low damage, but it is more consistent, and easier to use.

 

They are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be.

[thehelmsman]

New Orleans' reload is 12 seconds. And the shell arcs (which aren't really any worse than Atago's--yes, seriously) can be quite useful, because it lets you lob your shots on targets from behind cover. I find Hipper/Eugen's shells to be quite inconsistent unless you do happen to get a flat broadside. The AP is too light and bounces off even slightly angled targets, and the HE is likewise underwhelming because of the low damage and fire chance.

--Helms

[crzyhawk]

Great ship?  They are quite overrated, mediocre ships.

[TheKrimzonDemon]

1 hour ago, HolyWaterCow said:

Thanks for the smug, worthless response. The topic is addressing a great ship being crapin the game. Hipper sucks too.

Can't wait for your next smarmy response. Maybe your skinny jeans are cutting off circulation and slowing blood flow to your dim-witted brain. And go put on some eye liner you [edited].

Neither is a bad ship, you simply haven't learned to play them.

 

Also, insulting the crap out of people isn't going to end well, as you're about to find out.

 

**I HIGHLY suggest you read the Forum Rules, and edit that post.**

[Doomlock]

38 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

New Orleans' reload is 12 seconds.

Did I seriously play 51 games in NoLa and think the reload was 13s? Sigh, well I guess it didn't impact me too much then. Derp 

[crzyhawk]

I'd be more than happy to put my Prinz Eugen up against the OP in any T8 ship he's got, and see how worthless it really is.

 

Checked the OP's stats and he's a good player, and performs better than me with the Prinz with a better WR and only slightly less damage.  I'm not sure where the vitriol comes from, the OP doesn't struggle with the ship and performs at a well above average.  yeah, PE doesn't dominate, but she does OK.  While I think it can use some buffs, I certainly would not rate it as utterly useless.

[SireneRacker]

Prinz Eugen is by no means a bad ship, and she can hold her place in T8 as long as the captain knows what he does.

She requires a careful ammo choice, and is less forgiving when you pick the wrong shell. Also it wants you to time your firing, not as much as you should on the Graf Spee but you should not spam shells like Chapayev.

She is the tankiest Cruiser at medium to close range by far, something that Charles, Chapayev, Mogami or New Orleans would not even dare to say.

 

If you cannot make the Prinz Eugen work, the problem is not the ship.

[alexf24]

Prinz a bad ship? No.

Where do you get that idea? From not knowing to play it?

 

The only reason I would not advice you get one (other than you dislike KM cruisers), is if you already have Hipper. Then you have no real need.

I had Hipper so no need for me, then last year I got Prinz in a Santa crate. That was nice. A Hipper that trains captains an makes more credits. Out went Hipper (which would still be in port if I didn't have Prinz Eugen).

 

Is it the best cruiser at T8? No

Is it the best Premium at T8? No

Is it a bad ship? Definitely not.

 

If you don't like it or don't do well with it you can park it in port, you can sell it, or you can git gud. Badmouthing is not an option I would take.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

1 hour ago, HolyWaterCow said:

The Prinz Eugen is the worst Premium ship you can buy. No outstanding qualities and several weaknesses and to top it off, it is very expensive.

This post sums it up well:

It's a worthless ship in this game atm and WOWS clearly has capitalized on the fact that it is a famous ship IRL and knows many people in this game love naval history and want the famous Prinz Eugen. To top it off, WOWS gives the ship a +50% captain skill boost to show that there's something unique/outstanding about this premium/historical ship but it's a slap in the face considering that a +50% boost to mediocre results from the mediocre-at-best performance that this sub-par ship is capable of putting in is laughable.

So for those new to the game and love naval history, stay away from WOWS' utterly worthless version of this great ship.

It could very well be trash in your hands and gold in others, it’s all about playstyle and learning the strengths and weaknesses of each ship

this will come as a shock to many players by the way they play at times... it’s a team game “Team” all ships benifit from team play more than others

this may be one of em

[thehelmsman]

On 10/27/2017 at 3:36 PM, HMCS_Devilfish said:

It could very well be trash in your hands and gold in others, it’s all about playstyle and learning the strengths and weaknesses of each ship

this will come as a shock to many players by the way they play at times... it’s a team game “Team” all ships benifit from team play more than others

this may be one of em

I think that's pretty much the gist of it, right there. Hipper/Eugen is not a particularly good carry ship and it has a rather high skill floor. I did okay in Hipper, but I did not enjoy the grind, so I sold it. I bought Prinz Eugen when it was put in the game because of its historical significance, and don't regret the purchase because it is a fabulous-looking ship and it is fun to play on occasion when I do want to run a 'challenge-mode' boat that requires extra effort on my part to perform well in. I do enjoy that once in a while. But I did not enjoy playing Hipper very much as a grind to get to the Roon. It was not a pleasant experience on average.

I do think the ships deserve some attention, since other under-performing ships have gotten quality-of-life improvements in recent months. "PEBKAC, git gud scrub" is easy to say, and isn't, by itself, a reason to dismiss claims that a ship could use a few buffs. Let's face it, skilled players can make ANY ship look good, given the right circumstances, and isn't the proper benchmark to use to determine such things.

--Helms

[Panzer1113]

Have 132 games in the PE, really is just meh, low DPM and below average HE limits what it can do in game (unless someone forgets you have torps, or a good old suicide run).  As tier 8 premiums cruisers go, bottom of a limited pack.  Like the PE when it is high tier, very challenging when low tier.  MM is a problem at tier 8 and especially lately the percentage of times you will be fighting tier 9 and 10 ships is high.  My PE is a port queen, a very pretty port queen at that, but if I want to play a tier 8 premium cruiser the Atago is better.  Wish the PE had a heal like the Atago, but only captain exp which is not useful in battle.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

36 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

I think that's pretty much the gist of it, right there. Hipper/Eugen is not a particularly good carry ship and it has a rather high skill floor. I did okay in Hipper, but I did not enjoy the grind, so I sold it. I bought Prinz Eugen when it was put in the gamebecause of its historical significance, and don't regret the purchase because it is a *fabulous*-looking ship and it is fun to play on occasion when I do want to run a 'challenge-mode' boat that requires extra effort on my part well to perform in. I do enjoy that once in a while. But I did not enjoy playing Hipper very much as a grind to get to the Roon. It was not a pleasant experience on average.

I do think the ships deserve some attention, since other under-performing ships have gotten quality-of-life improvements in recent months. "PEBKAC, git gud scrub" is easy to say, and isn't, by itself, a reason to dismiss claims that a ship could use a few buffs. Let's face it, skilled players can make ANY ship look good, given the right circumstances, and isn't the proper benchmark to use to determine such things.

--Helms

Exactly,Ive got a X Zao I do ok in while others kick serious buttt . Beats me how they do that, I’d say Zao is way underperforming.. it’s not .....I am  

[Nhi_Vanye]

Actually, if you look at the Tier 8 cruiser stats, the only really underperforming ship is New Orleans, with Mikhail Kutuzov overperforming (oh yeah, WG pulled her from the shop because she is OP).  Seriously, the Tier 8 cruisers are pretty well balanced overall, with interesting differences in play style, but pretty good balance overall.  PE/Hipper definitely play differently than the other ships, but they can do very well if your play style suites theirs.

[sasquatch_research]

Hey

I for one enjoy playing Hipper and Prinz Eugen although I play Hipper better for whatever reason.  I like both of them better than my Takao/Atago since they have better armour, faster reload, better citadels, easier to use torp angles and are better looking.  They still are in need of a mild buff to the ROF since there is less guns than Atago, and the Prinz Eugen would be better if it had a heal, radar or something to set it apart from Hipper.  But still, both are decent enough ships.  Real German love is Roon, I even like it better than my Hindy right now.

 

Pete

[Xlap]

Before you buy PE you could have played Hipper, they are nearly the same ship and play the same way.