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Hey

I have been toying with getting the Molotov; and I realize it's very squishy and all (I love my Nurnberg) but is it fun to play and worth the cost?  I don't have a high tier captain to put in it, so would be starting at 3pt.

 

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Play Kirov. Realize that Molotov plays against stronger opponents and sees T8 with regularity. Decide then if you still want one.

It's a good ship and can be fun, but if you can't make a Kirov work against T7s you're not going to make a Molotov work vs T8s.

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21 minutes ago, Lert said:

It's a good ship and can be fun, but if you can't make a Kirov work against T7s you're not going to make a Molotov work vs T8s.

This ^^.

 

But if you can make her work, T9 guns on a T6 ship are absolutely incredible.

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I will preface my comments with the fact that I only have 15 games in the Molotov, having only recently bought the ship.

 

So far, I have thoroughly enjoyed it. While very squishy and about as agile as a bathtub, she is fast and has great guns for her tier. Yes, you will be uptiered a lot. But she is a great support ship even in those cases and can be a real thorn in the side of the red team, more so as the game progresses, in my opinion. I do not recommend getting close to the enemy. And I advise making use of cover any time it is available. But if you can enjoy a game firing from the edges of your firing range, and if you like accurate guns that can hammer red DDs that wander into range and are spotted, I think she is worth the investment.

 

Lert has made a great suggestion, I think. If you can enjoy the Kirov, you can probably enjoy the Molotov. They play (in my own experience) pretty similarly.

 

Respects,

 

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I have 350 matches in a Molotov with a 52.6% WR.  My stats are not great (slightly above server average), but I have a great time playing the ship.  I admit, the Molotov is something of an acquired taste because it is fragile and turns like a dump truck, but the guns are terrific.  It is definitely a long range sniper as the flat-shooting guns make hitting targets easy.  If that is a style that you like, then you will like the Molotov.

Just a warning that cyclones will make the Molotov completely useless as you will lose your greatest strength and bumping into a BB at 8km is a death sentence.  

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Wait until after the dust settles from the potential Kirov buffs.  The dev blog stated that they are testing boosting Kirov to nearly Molotov levels.

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51 minutes ago, crzyhawk said:

Wait until after the dust settles from the potential Kirov buffs.  The dev blog stated that they are testing boosting Kirov to nearly Molotov levels.

Oh wow...

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For those who haven't seen the post on FB, here it is.  I've bolded the Kirov buff.

ST, ship stats changes

Changes implemented to make the gameplay more comfortable:

- T-22: main battery base firing range decreased to 9,1 km, detectability from planes decreased to 2,6 km, detectability from ships decreased to 6.5 km
- Podvoisky: reload time for the main battery decreased to 8,1 seconds
- Kirov: reload time for the main turret decreased to 13.5 seconds, initial shell velocity increased to 920 m/s
- Krasny Krym: main turret reload time is decreased to 8,1 seconds
- Nicholas: aiming angles increased for torpedo launchers, third turret on Hull B and fourth turret on Hull C when firing forward.

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Oh boy..Molotov is one of my favourite cruisers when i sailing in a Battleship:cap_look:

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On 10/28/2017 at 3:07 AM, crzyhawk said:

- Kirov: reload time for the main turret decreased to 13.5 seconds, initial shell velocity increased to 920 m/s

 

Yeah, both will essentially have T9 guns. What a time to play Kirov again! Have to say, I freexp's out of her, didn't like the experience, but now might be the chance to wreck faces and club seals :cap_rambo: 

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The molotov's gun play is a DREAM.  That said... I get insta DELETED in this ship more than any other.   I have seen more "Detonations" against me in this vessel than all others combined.   The very definition of a glass cannon.  

 

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My wife got the Molotov in a Santa box this year and I tried it out, was pleasantly surprised, 2 games were not great at mid-20K range (one Notser island move didn't help) but the 3rd game was one of 84207 damage, top of a losing team, only 1 kill but 3 torps on a broadside Colorado helped, bunch of fires on the other Scharnhorst I was up against.  It was quite fun.  Great guns, downside, is the massive turning radius.  Stay at range and pummel.  

 

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If Molotov is top tier, she is a Monster Cruiser.  But if MM shafts her with Tier VII-VIII matches, she struggles.  Most especially with lots of Tier VIIIs.  Cruisers jump in power in Tier VII.  Battleships are gonna Battleship, and the Tier VIII ones take considerable jumps in all aspects compared to the VII BBs.

 

It is not fun being Molotov when you see a lot of accurate shooting Amagis.

 

Before the MM changes a while back, Molotov was absolutely OP.  Why?  The old MM range was +/-3 tiers and MM protection was only for the absolute lowest tiers and Tier X (X?  You are always top tier LOL).  This means Molotov's 180mm guns were crushing ships like Phoenix, Kuma.  It was a slaughter.  Molotov was the poster child of OP Russian Bias threads.  But after the MM changes, nobody talks about Molotov anymore.  All cries calling for a nerf on her have completely disappeared.  She gets smacked around now just like any other Cruiser her tier.  The days of her beating up on Kuma and the like are long gone.

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I guess that goes for any T6 ship these days.  It's never fun to be in a T8 game in my Nurnberg or any other BUT if your going to be in it, might as well have decent gund while you are there.  More of a challenge I guess, maybe some people just like pain.  lol

 

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4 hours ago, sasquatch_research said:

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I guess that goes for any T6 ship these days.  It's never fun to be in a T8 game in my Nurnberg or any other BUT if your going to be in it, might as well have decent gund while you are there.  More of a challenge I guess, maybe some people just like pain.  lol

 

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Before the MM changes, Tier VI was the most played tier.  It was the first real tier where the ships started getting better compared to Tier IV-V.  The old MM, as said before, didn't really have MM protection like it does now.  +/-3.  Tier VI Cleveland, Molotov against Kuma, Omaha.  Aoba was considered a solid Cruiser.  New Mexico was well loved.  Fuso against Wyoming.  Think about that.  Sure, Tier VI still payed the price by occasionally seeing as high as Tier IX, but unlike today, more tiers had a chance to exercise superiority while still having to pay the piper somewhere along the line.

 

I also remember at launch playing Pre-Buff Colorado against Tier X Yamato when she still had her mega heal.

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I think match making needs a bit of a buff by going grouping of Tiers 1/2/3, 4/5/6, 7/8, 9/10.  I think it would be a lot more fair and make the game better overall.  It just doesn't make sense to have T6 ships in T8 or even T7 in with T9's.  You hear a lot of complaining about being up-tiered.  

 

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I picked it up just a couple of days ago and only have a few battles in it but so far I rather like it. The guns are amazing. They hit hard and start fires like crazy. Sure she is fragile, but she's a light cruiser, okay she might be a little more fragile than the Nurnberg, but not by a lot. When you take hits it will hurt a bit more. But nothing unexpected after playing Konigsberg and Nurnberg. The larger turning radius has gotten me into trouble when I stuck my nose out more than I intended and got wrecked.


Overall, so far I am really liking it.

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On 12/24/2017 at 8:33 PM, MasterDiggs said:

I picked it up just a couple of days ago and only have a few battles in it but so far I rather like it. The guns are amazing. They hit hard and start fires like crazy. Sure she is fragile, but she's a light cruiser, okay she might be a little more fragile than the Nurnberg, but not by a lot. When you take hits it will hurt a bit more. But nothing unexpected after playing Konigsberg and Nurnberg. The larger turning radius has gotten me into trouble when I stuck my nose out more than I intended and got wrecked.


Overall, so far I am really liking it.

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That makes 2 of us.  I was in a T8 game with it last night and thought I wouldn't last 5 minutes but wound up with about 55K damage and survived the entire game (a loss) but still felt good about it.  With PT on board, it really help to know how many people are looking at you.

 

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I just yesterday got a Molotov out of a crate.  In the future, something for my Donskoi captain to do when not Donskoiing.  I had one of the spotter plane special mods and threw that on, figuring it is a waste to have Donskoi guns and artificially limited 15.5 km range.  My, though, it does turn like a brick.  A really, really soft brick.

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Remember the Molotov has the spotter plane which increases gun range 20%. When you get good with it you can stay back out of harm's way and increase your damage total on many ships.

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On 12/29/2017 at 8:15 PM, Lillehuntrix said:

I just yesterday got a Molotov out of a crate.  In the future, something for my Donskoi captain to do when not Donskoiing.  I had one of the spotter plane special mods and threw that on, figuring it is a waste to have Donskoi guns and artificially limited 15.5 km range.  My, though, it does turn like a brick.  A really, really soft brick.

She is really squishy in PvE play since the battles always end up in your face, kind of like the Nelson IMHO. They both do better in PvP play where there is more finesse and people hold back a bit more than bots charging towards you like idiots. I like the ship, I just don't do all that well with her in co-op. She is a great boat for some of the Ops missions though. 

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On 10/28/2017 at 4:32 AM, sasquatch_research said:

but is it fun to play and worth the cost?

Can i persuaded you by this

 

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Hey

I have had Molotov for a while now and have had some equally good games in her.  As long as your careful and work the edges and pick your target, she can be very good and very damaging to the enemy.  Good boat, a bit fragile, but then most cruisers can be.  Lots of fun.

 

P.S.  Game today 1/21/18 was good for 101, 727 and top place of winning team.  She has the ability.

 

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