POLL: Ship Buffs (Part 2)

[Ace_04]

Good morning all,

 

As a follow-up to my previous poll regarding which particular ship(s) of each class the community felt needed some love (see below), I wanted to go over what the top ones or each type were and see what you guys thought what kind of buff each ship could use to bring them back in line with the rest of their contemoraries.

To summarize, here are the ships that you felt were the most in need of a boost:

• DD's: Mutsuki (IJN T5)
• CL's: Omaha (USN T5)
• BB's: Colorado/Myogi (USN T7/IJN T4)
• CV's: Ranger (USN T7)

 

So, how do you think we can fix these ships?

[Kapitan_Wuff]

DD: Mutsuki: Concealment Buff

CL: Omaha: This one seems a little trickier, but I'd say rate of fire buff

BB: Myogi... not sure ROF I guess.(changed my mine since I voted for Secondaries)

BB: Colorado: Does the CO need a buff? I kinda don't think it does.

CV: Ranger: A rebalancing of it's loadout.

[alexf24]

Mutsuki: reload

Omaha (and sisters): concealment

Colorado: needs no buffs

Myogi: rate of fire

Ranger: loadout

[1Sherman]

Mutsuki: RoF of guns.

Omaha: Concealment buff

Myogi: Better dispersion

Colorado: Probably the ship on here that needs a buff the least, but I said speed boost just because.

Ranger: Better loadouts. A 2/1/1 loadout would probably get me back into CVs. While they're at it, they need to give the Lexington its 2/1/1 loadout back.

[Ace_04]

8 minutes ago, alexf24 said:

Colorado: needs no buffs

 

8 minutes ago, 1Sherman said:

Colorado: Probably the ship on here that needs a buff the least, but I said speed boost just because.

 

23 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

BB: Colorado: Does the CO need a buff? I kinda don't think it does.

I like Colorado and don't think she really needs a buff (more health maybe....forgot to add that one) compared to the others.  But she was right up there with Myogi in the first poll, so I included her on this list.

[Big_Spud]

[worst performing tier 7 battleship for two and a half years running]

 

"Colorado needs no buffs"

[Madwolf05]

Colorado needs her final hull HP. She has less HP than her British counterpart and a worse heal.

 

Her other issue is being too slow. That was fun when it was just the IJN and USN on smaller maps, but with the larger maps and massive power creep at Tier 7, she really got hutt.

[senseNOTmade]

The Omaha is one of the light cruisers in the USN cruiser line, and as such has a play style similar to the Pheonix and Pensacola; namely, using her speed, good rudder shift time, small size and (for USN cruisers) long range to dodge shells while burning BBs. She simply does not have the armour to win close range engagements against anything except destroyers.

As such, a concealment buff might help her drop out of unfavorable engagements, but most enemies should already be around max range, making this a marginal buff at best. Her main weakness is her lack of shells, which make it difficult to consistently do damage, and being out ranged by higher tier BBs.

That's my argument for taking higher rate of fire/longer range, anyway.

[Doomlock]

1 hour ago, Madwolf05 said:

Colorado needs her final hull HP. She has less HP than her British counterpart and a worse heal.

 

Her other issue is being too slow. That was fun when it was just the IJN and USN on smaller maps, but with the larger maps and massive power creep at Tier 7, she really got hutt.

Colorado has a better heal than the rest of the USN line.

 

But yes, she is missing a couple thousand hit points.

[Big_Spud]

6 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

Colorado has a better heal than the rest of the USN line.

 

But yes, she is missing a couple thousand hit points.

 

Because of the low HP pool, she still heals almost the exact same amount of HP per use as Nagato, which has a 15,000 HP lead to begin with. It's still roughly in line with all of the other tier 7s simply because it has between 6-16,000 less HP than any of them.

 

All the "Super heal" does is keep her from literally healing back less HP per usage than New York does at tier 5. What a terrific advantage.

[JojoTheMongol]

Colorado needs about 5k more HPs. That would bring here more in line with the rest of the tier 7s. Its laughable that a New Mexico has more HP.

[landcollector]

1 hour ago, JojoTheMongol said:

Colorado needs about 5k more HPs. That would bring here more in line with the rest of the tier 7s. Its laughable that a New Mexico has more HP.

More like about 7k to 8k HP imo.

[awildseaking]

Voted other for Colorado bc I don't think it needs buffs.

[Madwolf05]

2 hours ago, Doomlock said:

Colorado has a better heal than the rest of the USN line.

 

But yes, she is missing a couple thousand hit points.

It is a rather marginal heal increase when you look at it, and compared to the RN BB heal, it's incredibly poor for her situation.

[1Sherman]

On 10/27/2017 at 9:39 AM, Madwolf05 said:

Colorado needs her final hull HP. She has less HP than her British counterpart and a worse heal.

 

Her other issue is being too slow. That was fun when it was just the IJN and USN on smaller maps, but with the larger maps and massive power creep at Tier 7, she really got hutt.

The speed is a definite issue, but her heal was actually the best at her tier up until the Brits came along.

 

On 10/27/2017 at 9:28 AM, Big_Spud said:

[worst performing tier 7 battleship for two and a half years running]

 

"Colorado needs no buffs"

The USN BBs are ships that reward good play and don't forgive mistakes easily. The Colorado is statistically my best ship as well as my favourite ship that I've played to date. She was a minister of death praying for war when I was at the helm. All of the USN BBs are like this: Play to their strengths well and know what you're doing and you will be rewarded. Make a mistake and you will pay for it. They're not like the German or British BBs where you can do nothing but make stupid mistakes and get away with it.

[Kenjister]

23 hours ago, Big_Spud said:

 

Because of the low HP pool, she still heals almost the exact same amount of HP per use as Nagato, which has a 15,000 HP lead to begin with. It's still roughly in line with all of the other tier 7s simply because it has between 6-16,000 less HP than any of them.

 

All the "Super heal" does is keep her from literally healing back less HP per usage than New York does at tier 5. What a terrific advantage.

That might be true if you only look at the numbers behind the damage, but what it fails to take into account is that it's significantly stronger vs fires.  I agree Colorado could do with a bit more HP, but honestly her heal is a good advantage that we shouldn't be writing off.

[AdmiralThunder]

I haven't played the CV or DD so no comment. On the other 3 only one needs a buff of any kind and that is Colorado. 5k more HP and it is good. It has less HP than the T6 New Mexico and the so called super heal does squat to make up for it. Omaha is fine as is and Myogi's issue is only 6 guns so unless her buff is to add 2-4 more buffs won't help.

[ZARDOZ_II]

Myogi (and the Kawachi) need a dispersion buff or at least a buff to the damage they do when they do manage to hit.  But the dispersion on both is horrid.  Kind of like trying to hit a target at a km away using a sawed off shotgun.  I've shot at broadside cruisers at under 1 km in each of them and had one shell fly over, the other hit the water halfway between us. 

Omaha could use a bit better conceal.  One hit in that thing and it's pretty much game over. 

[Sonoskay]

The only thing the Colo needs is a bigger health pool.

Omaha I think could use a RoF buff. Its an Inelegant solution. but it would improve her lot.

Myogi Just needs tighter Dispersion i think. She will Always be not very fun to play. but a tighter dispersion will compensate for only having 6 cannons.

As for the ranger and mistuki, I Cannot say.  I dont really understand these two ships in a Mechanical way

[Big_Spud]

3 hours ago, 1Sherman said:

The speed is a definite issue, but her heal was actually the best at her tier up until the Brits came along.

 

The USN BBs are ships that reward good play and don't forgive mistakes easily. The Colorado is statistically my best ship as well as my favourite ship that I've played to date. She was a minister of death praying for war when I was at the helm. All of the USN BBs are like this: Play to their strengths well and know what you're doing and you will be rewarded. Make a mistake and you will pay for it. They're not like the German or British BBs where you can do nothing but make stupid mistakes and get away with it.

 

The Colorado and New York are both ships that are OBJECTIVELY inferior to their same tier counterparts statistically. They are simply worse. A Colorado does not perform a SINGLE role that any of the other tier 7 battleships can not at this period of time. The heal does not make up for the pure lack of tactical flexibility caused by its low speed, and only makes her heal EQUAL to the other tier 7's, except for the fact that she starts off with anywhere between 6,000 and 16,000 less HP than the ships she is meant to be engaging. Were it not for that SLIGHTLY improved heal ( not even the best in tier, Nelson exists now ) she would quite literally only be able to heal back as much damage per charge as NEW YORK, and less than New Mexico. 

 

Good players can squeeze out decent performance from Colorado, but they get better results from ANY of the other tier 7's with that same amount of effort. If you want a gun-specific ship, you use Nagato. If you want a brawler, you use Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. If you want a kiting ship, you use Hood. If you want an AA ship, Gneisenau is unmatched.

 

Colorado offers up nothing that other ships don't do better, and it's not outrageously strong in any single area to make up for it, while being EXTREMELY weak in very crucial areas. It is a poor ship.

 

2 hours ago, Kenjister said:

That might be true if you only look at the numbers behind the damage, but what it fails to take into account is that it's significantly stronger vs fires.  I agree Colorado could do with a bit more HP, but honestly her heal is a good advantage that we shouldn't be writing off.

 

Nope, the "super" heal just barely brings it in line versus the other tier 7's because of the low HP pool. Colorado also eats damage from HE and normal penetrations easier than any of the other ships because it's entire hull is 25 mm thick. The only other ships at the tier that suffers from that are Nagato and KGV, which have a starting advantage of 10,000-15,000 hit points over you, are faster, have better guns (for KGV, the lack of penetration is made up with its extremely short reload and fire chance), and can extricate tmeselves from bad situations more easily. Even KGV can get away with more things because of its nonexistent citadel ( Colorado can still be citadelled quite easily by 16" guns from most angles ) and its 7 knot speed advantage.

 

I've played more games than both of you combined in Colorado and the other tier 7's, and have managed superior stats in the end with it. These are my honest opinions on the ship after two years of playing it. Colorado behaves like a tier 6.5 at a level where it's competition is tier 7 or in some cases tier 7.5 in terms of power level.

 

In other words, it sucks.

[ReddNekk]

Omaha needs the same love that all Cruisers need; Improved survivability. Reducing the massive citadels on all Cruisers would help with that.

Stuff like faster RoF, longer range, etc. aint worth a pound of piss if the ship the weapons are mounted on gets quickly deleted.

[Slightlyaskewed]

Colorado needs the Maryland upgrade. That is the buff it needs.

The Ranger I have to agree could use the 2/1/1 loadout. I think that might really do it for her.

Not sure how to help the rest

[Ace_04]

On 10/28/2017 at 2:42 PM, ReddNekk said:

Omaha needs the same love that all Cruisers need; Improved survivability. Reducing the massive citadels on all Cruisers would help with that.

Stuff like faster RoF, longer range, etc. aint worth a pound of piss if the ship the weapons are mounted on gets quickly deleted.

Positioning will always be key in cruisers, regardless of citadel exposure.

 

There needs to be a fine line walked when it comes to lowering citadels as well.  It seems to be the new trend/fix when ships are perceived as inferior or lackluster.  It's now the new trend on battleships, which is absolutely horrid.  Every ship should have a weakness, and if you make a mistake, you should be punished for it.  It seems as though these days, the only BB's with reachable citadels are the Japanese.

 

I'd like to see a slight range buff to the Omaha's and see how that goes first.  If they can stay at arms length like the Russian CL's and shoot from a distance, it might help their cause and allow them to evade more BB salvos.

[puxflacet]

omaha needs buff? isnt that just some myth spreaded among youtubers?

and what for would be increased secondary range for myogi and colorado?

[BlailBlerg]

Pretty good poll =)