Heroic Admirals

[Big_Tidday_Goth_GF]

Hi

 

Lets discuss who YOU want to see as part of the next campaign.  As for me I'm not finished with the Yamamoto missions yet, mostly because I have very few ships at the highest tiers.  I am pretty excited about the possibilities this offers so I'm going to put some of my own ideas in here for what could come next.

 

Bull Halsey

Admiral William "Bull" Halsey was America's most famous fighting Admiral of WW2.  Known for having a huge personality as well as his tenacity, Admiral Halsey would be my first choice for the next Admiral they add.  I think of his special skills as being something related to both typhoons in game and in pursuing enemies (the famous 34th task force and its chase of the Japanese Battle fleet).  I'm thinking something along the lines of increased speed or view range during typhoons.  Maybe it would be appropriate to give either this or Carrier specific perks, since Admiral Halsey was one of the old school officers who enthusiastically embraced the new Carrier style of war.  

 

 

[Goose21891]

WG said at Gamescon that Halsey is coming next, followed by a British and German commander.

[kerensky914]

1 minute ago, Goose21891 said:

WG said at Gamescon that Halsey is coming next...

Shame that.  There are many others I'd prefer that didn't endanger the sailors in their commands in stupid ways.

[Wombatmetal]

Halsey should have been sacked after Samar. Lot better candidates

[LancerUlysses]

Before Halsey (who got fooled into leaving the rest of the fleet at Leyte Gulf to the wolves), I would go with Raymond Spruance, Frank Jack Fletcher, or Willis A Lee on the US side. 

 

For the British, Admiral Cunningham and Admiral Jellico

 

For the Germans, Admirals Hipper and Scheer

 

 

[Wombatmetal]

4 minutes ago, LancerUlysses said:

Before Halsey (who got fooled into leaving the rest of the fleet at Leyte Gulf to the wolves), I would go with Raymond Spruance, Frank Jack Fletcher, or Willis A Lee on the US side. 

 

For the British, Admiral Cunningham and Admiral Jellico

 

For the Germans, Admirals Hipper and Scheer

 

 

I would also nominate Arleigh Burke

[YamatoA150]

It was either at the Tokyo Game Show or slightly before it, but WG mentioned that WG Asia was the first region to turn in an entire portfolio of candidates for Heroic IJN Captains, and that other regions hadn't yet offered any suggestions. They also mentioned that KM Heroic Captains were a touchy area considering how some Germans might be offended with them, but they did mention that they plan to poll their EU audience to see if they would be fine with Heroic KM Captains, including some that may be questionable.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

8 minutes ago, LancerUlysses said:

Before Halsey (who got fooled into leaving the rest of the fleet at Leyte Gulf to the wolves), I would go with Raymond Spruance, Frank Jack Fletcher, or Willis A Lee on the US side. 

 

For the British, Admiral Cunningham and Admiral Jellico

 

For the Germans, Admirals Hipper and Scheer

 

 

No John Tovey?

[BrushWolf]

25 minutes ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said:

Halsey should have been sacked after Samar. Lot better candidates

Yeah like Montgomery after the Dieppe Raid debacle he should have been set down but he had friends.

[LancerUlysses]

27 minutes ago, Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao said:

No John Tovey?

He, among the RN admirals, had the least understanding of logistics, but for some reason always seemed to be put in charge of them. He micromanaged every command he ever had. 

[Big_Tidday_Goth_GF]

postmodernists love to deconstruct his image for lots of reasons.  Anyone the Japanese high command feared above all other Admirals is someone to be respected, and that's not even to mention his superior leadership which made him a figure to inspire the men under him.  Spergs have difficulty understanding such concepts.

[BrushWolf]

Just now, Bolo_MkXX_Tremendous_DMD said:

postmodernists love to deconstruct his image for lots of reasons.  Anyone the Japanese high command feared above all other Admirals is someone to be respected, and that's not even to mention his superior leadership which made him a figure to inspire the men under him.  Spergs have difficulty understanding such concepts.

True but any other admiral would have been cashiered for falling for the Japanese trap to pull him away from Leyte.

[Big_Tidday_Goth_GF]

The last BB surface fight that never happened.  It's the bane of gamers ever since...

 

(although I think it would have been a total route for the Japanese)

[Wombatmetal]

40 minutes ago, Bolo_MkXX_Tremendous_DMD said:

postmodernists love to deconstruct his image for lots of reasons.  Anyone the Japanese high command feared above all other Admirals is someone to be respected, and that's not even to mention his superior leadership which made him a figure to inspire the men under him.  Spergs have difficulty understanding such concepts.

 

"Where is Taffy 34?" 

What Nimitz messaged to Halsey when Taffy 3s pleas were coming in.

 

Vice Admiral John McCain had turned TG 38 before orders from Halsey came in (after more prodding from Nimitz).

Admiral Kincaid radioed "who is guarding the San Beridino Strait?"

 

The contemporaries at the time and during the battle found fault, this is not revisionist. Read Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors. Good book

 

Not to mention Admiral Sprague stopped talking to Halsey

[mofton]

Max Horton for the RN.

Personally brave in command of submarines. The only British commander to think something was up before the German invasion of Norway and act accordingly. Instrumental if unsung in controlling the Western Approaches and fighting the Battle of the Atlantic. A battlequadron commander before that, so pretty suitable.

[Aethon]

Instead of an admiral, how about Captain Edward H. Watson for the US?

[Helstrem]

1 hour ago, BrushWolf said:

Yeah like Montgomery after the Dieppe Raid debacle he should have been set down but he had friends.

Dieppe was a damn useful lesson for the Allies.  Gave us critical information we needed to know in preparation for Overlord.

 

If you want to pick at Montgomery I’d look at Market Garden.

[Big_Tidday_Goth_GF]

49 minutes ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said:

 

<basic [edited] stuff that leaves 90% of the picture out, like current history books that will be forgotten in a decade>

 

The question you should be asking yourself is why postmodernists make sure you only know of the mistakes of men who were national heroes prior to the fall of academia.  Maybe also wonder why so many professors have been found out to be directly involved in domestic terrorism.

[BrushWolf]

32 minutes ago, Helstrem said:

Dieppe was a damn useful lesson for the Allies.  Gave us critical information we needed to know in preparation for Overlord.

 

If you want to pick at Montgomery I’d look at Market Garden.

We did learn a lot at Dieppe but the cost was high. Ironically Market Garden was the single time he wasn't overly conservative in his plans but it was a brilliant plan but he reached too far.

[Wombatmetal]

1 hour ago, Bolo_MkXX_Tremendous_DMD said:

 

The question you should be asking yourself is why postmodernists make sure you only know of the mistakes of men who were national heroes prior to the fall of academia.  Maybe also wonder why so many professors have been found out to be directly involved in domestic terrorism.

That is nutty. Modern day domestic terrorism has nothing to do with the fact that Halsey disobeyed an order to leave Taffy 34 behind to guard the San Bernadino Strait and protect the troop transports in the Leyte Gulf. As a result 6 ships were lost. 

 

You might ask wht the Government felt the need to censor the news of the battle. The answer is they did not want to tarnish the reputation of a hero. So they white washed it instead. Was he a hero? Of course. But like Patton was relieved of command after slapping a soldier, Halsey should have been relieved for disobeying orders, endangering the troop transports, and getting six ships sunk and hundreds of sailors killed. In the Navy that is called dereliction. 

 

Historians aren't taking shots at Halsey because he is a hero, it's because he screwed up in a major way.

[Viva_Palestine]

3 hours ago, Bolo_MkXX_Tremendous_DMD said:

 

 Maybe also wonder why so many professors have been found out to be directly involved in domestic terrorism.

Hello: what?

[crzyhawk]

10 hours ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said:

Historians aren't taking shots at Halsey because he is a hero, it's because he screwed up in a major way.

This.  The problem is, late in the war, Halsey was out of his depth.  3rd fleet was simply too big of a command; Halsey was a much better task force commander.  A lot of excellent commanders fail when given larger commands.

[_cthulhu_]

13 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

We did learn a lot at Dieppe but the cost was high. Ironically Market Garden was the single time he wasn't overly conservative in his plans but it was a brilliant plan but he reached too far.

I do not believe any offensive plan that has multiple single points of failure, against an enemy that has already demonstrated great skill in defensive operations through difficult terrain can be described as "brilliant".

[IronMike11B4O]

2 hours ago, crzyhawk said:

This.  The problem is, late in the war, Halsey was out of his depth.  3rd fleet was simply too big of a command; Halsey was a much better task force commander.  A lot of excellent commanders fail when given larger commands.

John Bell Hood

[Big_Tidday_Goth_GF]

11 hours ago, Viva_Palestine said:

Hello: what?

google bike lock, professor, antifa and stop being so ignorant because I don't feel like explaining myself to every ignorant son of a [edited] (or everyone who pretends to be ignorant is really just disingenuous)

 

 

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Historians aren't taking shots at Halsey because he is a hero, it's because he screwed up in a major way.

That might be believable if they didn't try to destroy the reputation of literally everyone who was considered a hero either in their time or any time in our history.  Someone who inspires such fear still to this day to encourage desperate liars is actually all the greater for it, and he will be one of the statues we build on our Mars colony for that reason.

Honestly I think you're way out of your depth by the way you came in here listing basic facts that everyone already knows.  It really just proves my point that the first thing someone thinks of when they hear a name is the mistake associated with him - but this is something you have to break free of if you want to be a man of knowledge.