619 [-GPS-] Landing_Skipper Members 2,955 posts 46,909 battles Report post #1 Posted October 26, 2017 I liked the Z-23 more than enough to keep her on my way up to the Z-52. I preferred the 150s because of their high alpha damage. However, there is a problem now. Detection on smoke is 3.4 km regardless of which guns you are using. This does not make sense to me. Hydro range is only 4.4 km. You only have a 1 km space between where your Hydro picks up an enemy DD and where he sees you firing from smoke. Contrast this with the Z-52 or the Lo Yang, both of which have about 3 km of cushion between hydro range and smoke detection range. There are two possible solutions: make the smoke detection range shorter for the smaller guns, or extend the ship detection range of the hydro. I understand why WG may have decided to choose a single smoke detection range for the Z-23. Perhaps they wanted to avoid the Mogami syndrome where the smaller caliber guns have a distinct advantage. Or maybe the programmers just got lazy (again). Extending the hydro range to 5.88 km like the Z-52 and the Lo Yang is an easy solution. This would help the Z-23 even though it's smoke detection range is longer than either of those other two DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,143 Raven114 Members 2,341 posts 6,921 battles Report post #2 Posted October 26, 2017 Wow I love that ask for something, and take a shot at the Developers at the same time. Don't hold your breath!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,892 [D-DAY] _WaveRider_ Members 7,667 posts Report post #3 Posted October 26, 2017 Looking at the stats the Z-23 seems to do quite well compared to the other DDs at Tier VIII. Maybe in their quest to provide variety and balance WG have decided that the Z-23 doesn't have to be 'the same' as the other ships you mention (regarding hydro) to remain balanced? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #4 Posted October 26, 2017 Z23 should have its hydro match Lo Yang's range, so it's not completely outclassed by the better detection, better rate of fire, better AA, way better smoke, and better hydro on LY like it is now. Wasn't the whole excuse for giving the Germans the worst smoke in the game "Well, it's because they have great hydro!" anyways? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
619 [-GPS-] Landing_Skipper Members 2,955 posts 46,909 battles Report post #5 Posted October 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Show_Me_Your_Cits said: Z23 should have its hydro match Lo Yang's range, so it's not completely outclassed by the better detection, better rate of fire, better AA, way better smoke, and better hydro on LY like it is now. Wasn't the whole excuse for giving the Germans the worst smoke in the game "Well, it's because they have great hydro!" anyways? Bingo! We have a winner. And we don't have adequate stats post smoke-nerf to evaluate, but I'll bet that the Z-23 does worse. I certainly had a harder time being a cap bully with the new smoke detection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #6 Posted October 28, 2017 Z-23 is crap, despite which gun you mount. Base concealment doesn't match the gun performance in the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
