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What could go as a premium with Mutuzov and Belfast in only supercontainers/christmas crates now??

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Hey everyone a speculative thread here. I was wondering what could we be expecting in replacement of these cruisers? I was very shocked at what war-gaming decided to do with completely removing ships from the game instead of taking time to re-balance them in someway with the smoke changes.Note the ships can still be obtained on a very slim chance in supercontainersand Christmas containers. Looking at potential new tech tree premium candidates in the British and Soviet cruiser lines similar in a tier to Belfast and Kutuzov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Manchester_(15)  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Newcastle_(C76)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Exeter_(68)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_(C24)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dido_(37)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger-class_cruiser

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapayev-class_cruiser

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlov-class_cruiser#Ships

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/indonesia/ino_cr_irian.htm

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/russia/ru_cr_tallin.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Lützow_(1939)

maybe a project from one of these cruiser classes?

British: HMS Manchester, HMS Newcastle, HMS Exeter, HMS Sheffield

Russian Chapayev class ship or Sverdov class? Petropavlovsk admiral hipper german cruiser turned over to the Soviets. Project 69 is out of the question since it is being used for clan battles and possibly a free xp ship.

More pictures on pages 2 and 3 of this discussion post down below are Petrovaslok and Tallin retrofit both are potential tier 7 or 8 Russian premium candidates.

British cruisers of the Tiger, Town, or a sistership could be made into premiums for the British line. Any ideas let's have at it all ideas are welcome that doesn't involve missile projects.

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They don't change premium ships directly (the smoke nerf was indirectly).

And they were removed from sale because they were too OP, even with the nerf.

Remember: removed from sale, not from the game. You can still get them with super containers.

 

PS: It's Mikhail Kutuzov, not Mutuzov. :p

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Well I hope they find something to replace them with for the in game tech tree one of those classes aught to have some interesting ship to put into the game. The chance of getting it from a supercontainer is nice to know

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10 minutes ago, landedkiller said:

Well I hope they find something to replace them with for the in game tech tree one of those classes aught to have some interesting ship to put into the game. The chance of getting it from a supercontainer is nice to know

 

Belfast is the same class as Edinburgh

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10 minutes ago, landedkiller said:

Well I hope they find something to replace them with for the in game tech tree one of those classes aught to have some interesting ship to put into the game. The chance of getting it from a supercontainer is nice to know

You can get any premium in the game from a super container I believe, discontinued or not.

I've gotten a Imperator Nikolai from one before.

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I'm not sure that WG do necessarily replace pulled premiums.

Imp Nik. went quite a long time ago and has been eventually 'replaced' with Oktober R. However Oktober being given out for free and the long time between Nikolai's going and her including suggests that she wasn't directly replaced per se.

The Kamikaze trio were pulled just after last Christmas IIRC. I think the Shinonome was in game before that (could be wrong) but again through her sale (i.e. campaign) method I'd not say she's a direct replacement. No other IJN DD's have come out since save Harekaze which is a radically different, and T8 ship.

The Gremyaschy I suppose you could say Ohotnik was a replacement for. Again after a long old period of time.

 

So pulled premiums may not get a direct replacement. If they do, it may take years.

 

Personally I'd guess that Kutuzov is low priority to replace given there's a decent T6 in the Molotov. If you wanted another T8, maybe a premium Chapayev such as Frunze - I just like the name, it's not like any of the Chapayev/Sverdlov class are particularly interesting.

The Belfast would leave a bit of a hole for RN CL training, though the skippers I've had for Warspite/Nelson would be fine. If they had to put out a mid-tier replacement I'd go with another Town class, it's the best game in town. Something like Sheffield at T7 as a similar-to Fiji inclusion.

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The HMS New Castle is the preceding class to the Edinburgh class which only had two ships Hms Edinburgh and Hms Belfast. Mainly because of this "

On 23 November 1939, Newcastle encountered the German small battleships (or battlecruisers) Scharnhorst and Gneisenau but they escaped in bad weather before other ships could come up.

Newcastle was involved in an abortive action under Vice-Admiral James Somerville on 27 November 1940 against the Italians at Cape Spartivento. After operating against blockade runners in the South Atlantic, the ship was sent to the East and then redeployed to the Mediterranean as part of Operation Vigorous, (convoy escort) from Alexandria to Malta in June 1942."

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2 minutes ago, landedkiller said:

The HMS New Castle is the preceding class to the Edinburgh class which only had two ships Hms Edinburgh and Hms Belfast

No, they're all part of the Town class cruisers. Edinburgh and Newcastle are merely subclasses.

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Um, Chapayev is in game, as is Sverdlov. Mikhail Kutuzov is a Sverdlov class. 

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Given Hms New Castle's history one would think it would be a viable tier 6 at the very least and it could be placed int he game with modernization after ww2

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3 minutes ago, Akeno017 said:

I wonder, would an Edinburgh class work at T7...

Belfast is one.

I think so. In-game there's not a huge amount of difference between and Edinburgh and a Fiji. The Edinburgh gets some better soft-stats, a better heal and access to the T8 modules but otherwise is the same firepower on a similar hull.

However, Edinburgh's a T8 and Belfast's a withdrawn T7 so they're out.

The earlier sub-groups of the Town class are probably fine at T7 as they're also similar to the Fiji's.

 

Personally I'd go with Sheffield over Newcastle. Newcastle didn't do much, Sheffield was part of Force H and the hunt for Bismarck, took part in the Barents Sea and North Cape actions including sinking a German destroyer.

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29 minutes ago, landedkiller said:

Hey everyone a speculative thread here. I was wondering what could we be expecting in replacement of these cruisers? I was very shocked at what war-gaming decided to do with completely removing ships from the game instead of taking time to re-balance them in someway with the smoke changes. COuldn't they just have buffed other characteristics of the Belfast and Mutuzov to keep them competitive? I was kinda pissed that the Belfast was gone myself really wanted to get it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Manchester_(15)  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Newcastle_(C76)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapayev-class_cruiser

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlov-class_cruiser#Ships

maybe a project from one of these cruiser classes?

Buff the Belfast? That ship is still OP, even with the smoke changes. That's why they removed it.

The Kutuzov went because of its meta, which was sit way back in smoke and spam HE. That still works too with the new changes.

 

They didn't remove the ships because they were UP with the new changes, but because they didn't fit into the new meta that WG wants to promote.

 

As for replacements, that's a good question. The soviets now need a T8 premium, don't know what there is though. Probably we'll see a paper ship at some point. 

 

For the Brits, plenty of options for the Belfast replacement, maybe we could see Dido, basically HMS Atlanta (or more likely Flint). That would be interesting, especially since the ATL is removed from the tech tree. I think that for T8 we'll see the Vanguard as a premium BB, and probably one of the heavy cruisers for the cruiser line at T8 premium.

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18 minutes ago, landedkiller said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Newcastle_(C76)

^would this class be a viable tier 6 or 7 premium ship?

 

If they were to do another Town class it would almost certainly be a T8 copy of Edinburgh. There was no good reason for Belfast to be T7 when its tech tree counterpart of the same class was T8, and WG would want to avoid accusations of the new premium being OP like Belfast was. 

 

That said I think the chances of another Town class premium appearing are basically nil, people would inevitably (and correctly) just regard it as an inferior substitute for the Belfast and Belfast only got made into a premium to begin with by virtue of being almost the last preserved RN ship of her era.

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46 minutes ago, landedkiller said:

I was wondering what could we be expecting in replacement of these cruisers?

Replace? Premiuns? That's funny!

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9 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

For the Brits, plenty of options for the Belfast replacement, maybe we could see Dido, basically HMS Atlanta (or more likely Flint). That would be interesting, especially since the ATL is removed from the tech tree. I think that for T8 we'll see the Vanguard as a premium BB, and probably one of the heavy cruisers for the cruiser line at T8 premium.

 

The Didos are interesting ships but while they are similar to Alanta/Flint in concept they are significantly weaker, maxing out at 10 (5x2) 5.25" DP guns. 

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It makes a lot of sense to have a British cruiser premium at the very least and it will be harder to find a suitable ship to go in the place of Kutuzov unless it is one of the same class , but doesn't use smoke.

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17 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Buff the Belfast? That ship is still OP, even with the smoke changes. That's why they removed it.

The Kutuzov went because of its meta, which was sit way back in smoke and spam HE. That still works too with the new changes.

 

They didn't remove the ships because they were UP with the new changes, but because they didn't fit into the new meta that WG wants to promote.

 

As for replacements, that's a good question. The soviets now need a T8 premium, don't know what there is though. Probably we'll see a paper ship at some point. 

 

For the Brits, plenty of options for the Belfast replacement, maybe we could see Dido, basically HMS Atlanta (or more likely Flint). That would be interesting, especially since the ATL is removed from the tech tree. I think that for T8 we'll see the Vanguard as a premium BB, and probably one of the heavy cruisers for the cruiser line at T8 premium.

What I should of said was find could there be a ship of the same class that doesn't use smoke that could go in the tech tree. Adding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Exeter_(68)

For everyone to see what ship Middcore is mentioning

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I'd love to see a HMS Sheffield premium.  I'd like to think they could take the Edinburgh, cut out the added length, and call it good.  Reduce the hit points, give it the Fiji's heal, and sell it at Tier 7 (without HE).  I don't see why anyone would complain about that.

Either that, or offer a recolored Fiji as HMS Kenya (Mountbatten Pink, anyone?), or maybe HMS Jamaica (mon).

As for Kutuzov, no reason they couldn't do a Frunze or whatever.  Again, no need to get too gimmicky, just give people something they can use as a captain trainer for the line and/or make beaucoup credits.

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28 minutes ago, Middcore said:

That said I think the chances of another Town class premium appearing are basically nil, people would inevitably (and correctly) just regard it as an inferior substitute for the Belfast and Belfast only got made into a premium to begin with by virtue of being almost the last preserved RN ship of her era.

I hope you're wrong but I see your point. There are still famous and deserving ships to include.

Another alternative might be a 9-gun Town or Crown Colony at T6 for Operations as suggested by Eissenagel among others.

23 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

The Didos are interesting ships but while they are similar to Alanta/Flint in concept they are significantly weaker, maxing out at 10 (5x2) 5.25" DP guns. 

Alas for Dido. Poor ROF is potentially non-threatening in the surface role, and should get a pretty poor 40.625 DPS at 4.5km for AA, which is a third of Atlanta's, less than half Cleveland and about half Huang He's with those 3 getting 5km range.

Dido I think ends up more in common with Nurnburg's 9 guns at 10 RPM, only without the good German velocity...

18 minutes ago, Middcore said:

My prediction is that if we ever see another premium British cruiser, it will be Exeter. 

Exeter would make me very happy.

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No more spammy Brits please;

 

 

Exeter instead.

 

Because Graf; and because Brits need something to spread 203mm love with.

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