428 Seadog_Supreme Members 1,866 posts Report post #1 Posted October 19, 2017 This was the least of the 3 saleable ships, and also not OP. It was a fun little ship with it's gimmick smoke, but such a low priority T6 that I didn't see any reason to keep her. The gap between her detection range in smoke and her maximum gun range was not much, so I felt the ship was adversely affected by the smoke change. The Perth was particularly good at capping with her trail of smoke, but now, any DD in the cap will see her if she shoots. As a stand-off cruiser in smoke, the crappy gun range will not allow her to have much effect before something runs up and spots her. I can use the doubloons for other needs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
607 Ghostdog1355 Members 2,857 posts 9,224 battles Report post #2 Posted October 19, 2017 Have heard others say the same thing about her. I almost sprung for her. Kinda glad I didn't now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
206 Pata1985 Members 1,019 posts 8,525 battles Report post #3 Posted October 19, 2017 thanks for keeping us updated with your ship fleet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,520 Wombatmetal Members 4,515 posts 3,255 battles Report post #4 Posted October 19, 2017 She has a 68% winning percentage on the RU server, and had the second highest WR on NA for T6 cruisers. I use her in operations and regularly clear 400k credits. She is a really gudebote 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,196 [PVE] Sovereigndawg Members 12,058 posts 21,291 battles Report post #5 Posted October 19, 2017 I learned how to use her when her smoke was broke so actually she recently had a smoke buff before the nerf. Basically it was like playing her without smoke before they fixed it so all is cool with her for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,231 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway [WOLF5] Members 38,075 posts 30,855 battles Report post #6 Posted October 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said: She has a 68% winning percentage on the RU server, and had the second highest WR on NA for T6 cruisers. I use her in operations and regularly clear 400k credits. She is a really gudebote In last Tier VI Ranked, only Ryujo exceeded Perth in WR%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,198 Tachnechdorus Beta Testers 3,315 posts 27,013 battles Report post #7 Posted October 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, Seadog_Supreme said: This was the least of the 3 saleable ships, and also not OP. It was a fun little ship with it's gimmick smoke, but such a low priority T6 that I didn't see any reason to keep her. The gap between her detection range in smoke and her maximum gun range was not much, so I felt the ship was adversely affected by the smoke change. The Perth was particularly good at capping with her trail of smoke, but now, any DD in the cap will see her if she shoots. As a stand-off cruiser in smoke, the crappy gun range will not allow her to have much effect before something runs up and spots her. I can use the doubloons for other needs. Nope , I'm keeping my perth ! ! ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
269 Merlox Members 832 posts 5,277 battles Report post #8 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Eric_Von_Hess said: Nope , I'm keeping my perth ! ! ! Yup Same. I really don't understand how any one would sell one of the most unique gems in the game currently. One of the best ranked tier 6 ships as well. Considering that her smoke range for guns was 4.5, any thing charging in that close will always get hit with the torps. Edited October 19, 2017 by Merlox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,520 Wombatmetal Members 4,515 posts 3,255 battles Report post #9 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) I wonder if a Perth can still smoke a BB. Fire the guns and get seen? New puff on the way. I wonder Edited October 19, 2017 by Destroyer_Suzukaze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
428 Seadog_Supreme Members 1,866 posts Report post #10 Posted October 19, 2017 I understand what you guys are saying, but I've got Arizona, Graf Spee, and Degrasse for tier 6, and that's enough. They are all higher rated than Perth. And they suit my playstyle better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,615 [-K-] Edgecase [-K-] Members 6,121 posts 27,946 battles Report post #11 Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said: I wonder if a Perth can still smoke a BB. Fire the guns and get seen? New puff on the way. Negative. The new smoke concealment mechanic is best understood as: If you fire your guns, all ships within <smokevis range> of you will get spot checks as if smoke was not there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,520 Wombatmetal Members 4,515 posts 3,255 battles Report post #12 Posted October 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Edgecase said: Negative. The new smoke concealment mechanic is best understood as: If you fire your guns, all ships within <smokevis range> of you will get spot checks as if smoke was not there. But do they get another spot check when there is a new puff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
140 [PNP] hawkai Beta Testers 886 posts 19,429 battles Report post #13 Posted October 19, 2017 I will never ever sell my perth, I have a thing for that little ship, one of my favorites, took it out to see how the smoke changes affected it, did 80k and 65k in 1st 2 games, yes will have to update my tactics some with it, but it aint never going to be sold, its just too much fun to play Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,615 [-K-] Edgecase [-K-] Members 6,121 posts 27,946 battles Report post #14 Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said: But do they get another spot check when there is a new puff? It doesn't matter. Think of smokevis checks as regular vision checks that occur with all smoke temporarily removed from the board (and the shorter smokevis number used instead of your regular concealment). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 12,810 battles Report post #15 Posted October 20, 2017 Thanks for making my Perth more unique. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
269 Merlox Members 832 posts 5,277 battles Report post #16 Posted October 20, 2017 39 minutes ago, crzyhawk said: Thanks for making my Perth more unique. I know this might sound odd, But i've only played 2 battles out of my 300+ perth battles where i've seen other perths. It's pretty damn unique. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33 [NNY] AdmBilgeWater Members 52 posts 11,630 battles Report post #17 Posted October 20, 2017 I'm keeping my Perth. She is good to play sometimes in the weekly operation - especially her torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
337 GiN_nTonic Beta Testers 825 posts 7,027 battles Report post #18 Posted October 20, 2017 What i dont like about the Perth is no captain training for other ships.... i felt WG should have just let her be interchangeable with the Brit line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,520 Wombatmetal Members 4,515 posts 3,255 battles Report post #19 Posted October 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, GiN_nTonic said: What i dont like about the Perth is no captain training for other ships.... i felt WG should have just let her be interchangeable with the Brit line. I would love Jack Dunkirk in the Perth 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
337 GiN_nTonic Beta Testers 825 posts 7,027 battles Report post #20 Posted October 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said: I would love Jack Dunkirk in the Perth who wouldn't.... 19 pts of pure fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
152 [187] BatRastardly [187] Members 203 posts 25,133 battles Report post #21 Posted October 20, 2017 I would sell my Perth, Belfast, and Kutuzov if it was for actual money instead of doubloons. I would sell all my premium DD's too. Hell, for actual cash I would sell all my premiums.(except maybe the Murmansk,my first and a proven Nerf-survivor) The way WG sells a ship they "tested" and then later tries claim it was a "mistake" and had features that were "never intended" makes me feel that all premiums are future dissappointments. I wouldn't be surprised if selling off these three ships became too popular and WG nerfed doubloons. It's bad enough to grind a line, spend the time and effort to develop the skills, only to be punished with a nerf to the entire line. Sucks but oh well, I can adjust and it's their game not mine. When I pay money for something and it becomes something less than what I paid for though ... I feel cheated. No Perth, no Belfast, no Kutusov? Fiji and Chapayev will fill the void well enough. It's their ships to do with as they please. I am not out any cash if they want to ruin them. I don't hate WG. I don't understand what drives their decisions or how these decisions benefit them long term. Sometimes it feels like the kids are running the show. Regardless, it is obvious that loyalty to ones' customers is not a priority. I can adjust to that too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
337 GiN_nTonic Beta Testers 825 posts 7,027 battles Report post #22 Posted October 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, BatRastardly said: I would sell my Perth, Belfast, and Kutuzov if it was for actual money instead of doubloons. I would sell all my premium DD's too. Hell, for actual cash I would sell all my premiums.(except maybe the Murmansk,my first and a proven Nerf-survivor) The way WG sells a ship they "tested" and then later tries claim it was a "mistake" and had features that were "never intended" makes me feel that all premiums are future dissappointments. I wouldn't be surprised if selling off these three ships became too popular and WG nerfed doubloons. It's bad enough to grind a line, spend the time and effort to develop the skills, only to be punished with a nerf to the entire line. Sucks but oh well, I can adjust and it's their game not mine. When I pay money for something and it becomes something less than what I paid for though ... I feel cheated. No Perth, no Belfast, no Kutusov? Fiji and Chapayev will fill the void well enough. It's their ships to do with as they please. I am not out any cash if they want to ruin them. I don't hate WG. I don't understand what drives their decisions or how these decisions benefit them long term. Sometimes it feels like the kids are running the show. Regardless, it is obvious that loyalty to ones' customers is not a priority. I can adjust to that too. I'm not a WG fan-boy that goes to agree with them all the time, but I have to say in this case I like the change for game balance and reality. There should be an option for ships to counter smoke like that on a powerful cruiser other than for them to have to basically simply take a pounding from inadvisable fire. I like the fact that has to be considered now by a Belfast or Kutuzov in their planning. Id rather WG nerf those ships the way they actually did than specifically nerf those ships in stats. Not to mention, the ships will be taken away from sale so they become very unique ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
152 [187] BatRastardly [187] Members 203 posts 25,133 battles Report post #23 Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, GiN_nTonic said: I'm not a WG fan-boy that goes to agree with them all the time, but I have to say in this case I like the change for game balance an reality. There should be an option for ships to counter smoke like that on a powerful cruiser. I like the fact that has to be considered. Id rather WG nerf those ships the way they actually did than specifically nerf those ships in stats. I never actually relied on smoke for any of these ships and have played all three without using any smoke. I'm weird in that I don't like stealth firing in any form. I don't camp behind islands in my Atlanta, I don't squat in smoke unless I have to, and only relied on OWSF in ships that were designed for that and not much else. Up to me I would prevent any ship from firing any weapon or launching planes unless they had a forward speed exceeding 10 knots. So I think you are right, but, none of this was the point I was making. My position is WG is treating paying customers poorly and because of that ALL premiums come with the potential of making one feel cheated at some later date and for reasons that may or may not make sense. I am not saying anyone should sell them back for doubloons.... unless you need doubloons why bother? WG is not actually refunding anything real. They are keeping the cash and providing an illusion of fairness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,737 [KIA] AlcatrazNC Members 3,839 posts 18,543 battles Report post #24 Posted October 20, 2017 Actually with the new smoke mecanic, Perth is probably the only ship that doesn't really suffer of it. Belfast for instance use his smoke and is forced to stay inside without moving. Perth on the other hand can slowly move while his smoke is active, making this ship harder to shoot in smoke. Also, the detectability after firing from smoke is probably around 5 km which is not huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 12,810 battles Report post #25 Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, GiN_nTonic said: What i dont like about the Perth is no captain training for other ships.... i felt WG should have just let her be interchangeable with the Brit line. Soon she can train Vampire captains! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites