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After playing WOT and coming back to WOWS their really is a need for Patrol Boats in the game to take the scouting load off of DDs.

 

This doesn’t really need to be a separate type.

It needs to be a small fragile but nearly impossible to hit recon boat with high speed and only torpedoes as armament. 

 

Examples E-boats, US PT boats

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2 minutes ago, GreyFox78659 said:

After playing WOT and coming back to WOWS their really is a need for Patrol Boats in the game to take the scouting load off of DDs.

 

This doesn’t really need to be a separate type.

It needs to be a small fragile but nearly impossible to hit recon boat with high speed and only torpedoes as armament. 

 

Examples E-boats, US PT boats

We have one and its fun.

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Scouting, capping, and torpedo ambush attacks ARE the role of most DD's.

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25 minutes ago, GreyFox78659 said:

After playing WOT and coming back to WOWS their really is a need for Patrol Boats in the game to take the scouting load off of DDs.

 

This doesn’t really need to be a separate type.

It needs to be a small fragile but nearly impossible to hit recon boat with high speed and only torpedoes as armament. 

 

Examples E-boats, US PT boats

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Wasn't a destroyer's original role was to protect the fleet from attacking PT boats, and be a more effective torpedo launching platform on the high seas?

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11 minutes ago, Rolkatsuki said:

Wasn't a destroyer's original role was to protect the fleet from attacking PT boats, and be a more effective torpedo launching platform on the high seas?

Yup:Smile_great:

In naval terminology, a destroyer is a fast, maneuverable long-endurance warship intended to escort larger vessels in a fleet, convoy or battle group and defend them against smaller powerful short-range attackers. They were originally developed in the late 19th century as a defence against torpedo boats, and by the time of the Russo-Japanese War in 1904, these "torpedo boat destroyers" (TBDs) were "large, swift, and powerfully armed torpedo boats designed to destroy other torpedo boats."Although the term "destroyer" had been used interchangeably with "TBD" and "torpedo boat destroyer" by navies since 1892, the term "torpedo boat destroyer" had been generally shortened to simply "destroyer" by nearly all navies by the First World War.

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As Chaos said, the "destroyer", is meant to destroy torpedo boats.

 

25 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

Cambletown.

No Abyss, Cambletown is not a PT or whatever boat. It is a Wickes class destroyer.

 

There is a reason why I wonder why WT keeps PT boats in their naval forces when they added destroyers...

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No. We have CVs for this, and they do just fine. And when there's no Cvs we have DDs, they do fine.

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1 hour ago, Rolkatsuki said:

Wasn't a destroyer's original role was to protect the fleet from attacking PT boats, and be a more effective torpedo launching platform on the high seas?

Yep! Torpedo boat destroyers,

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Destroyers are defined in the 1930 London Treaty as:

Surface vessels of war, the standard displacement of which is greater than 600 toms (610 metric tons) and does not exceed 1,850 tons (1,880 metric tons), and with a gun not above 5.1 inch (130 mm) calibre. Vessels that are designed for a speed of less than 30 knots, do not carry torpedoes, and do not mount more than four guns above 3 inch (76 mm) calibre are not considered to be destroyers.

Most destroyers were fitted with four or six main guns, smaller calibre canon or machineguns, torpedoes, mine sweeping equipment, depth charges and asdic (sonar). Some destroyers were fitted for mine laying, although this was unusual. Destroyers usually had a top speed of over 35 knots.

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53 minutes ago, Raven114 said:

Destroyers are defined in the 1930 London Treaty as:

Surface vessels of war, the standard displacement of which is greater than 600 toms (610 metric tons) and does not exceed 1,850 tons (1,880 metric tons), and with a gun not above 5.1 inch (130 mm) calibre. Vessels that are designed for a speed of less than 30 knots, do not carry torpedoes, and do not mount more than four guns above 3 inch (76 mm) calibre are not considered to be destroyers.

Most destroyers were fitted with four or six main guns, smaller calibre canon or machineguns, torpedoes, mine sweeping equipment, depth charges and asdic (sonar). Some destroyers were fitted for mine laying, although this was unusual. Destroyers usually had a top speed of over 35 knots.

London treaty post dates the creation of destroyers by about 30 years the original Torpedo Boat Destroyers were equipped with smaller gun and a power steam engine. They were designed to kill costal or fleet torpedo boats. Later around WW1 it was decided to equip Torpedo Boat Destroyers with torpedoes and do away with the fleet torpedo boat but costal torpedo boats endure even to today. 

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I don't see any useful role for them at the moment. They're just going to get killed fast and maybe TK a couple of friendlies knowing bot AI.

Besides, your use for them is already covered by two classes of ships. One of which was banned from CB for being too good at spotting. And please stop calling yourself the forum fox, nicknames are given by other people, to give yourself one is pretentious.

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I forgot I'm not supposed to feed

 

Sorry

 

 

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3 hours ago, Rolkatsuki said:

Wasn't a destroyer's original role was to protect the fleet from attacking PT boats, and be a more effective torpedo launching platform on the high seas?

 

2 hours ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

Yup:Smile_great:

In naval terminology, a destroyer is a fast, maneuverable long-endurance warship intended to escort larger vessels in a fleet, convoy or battle group and defend them against smaller powerful short-range attackers. They were originally developed in the late 19th century as a defence against torpedo boats, and by the time of the Russo-Japanese War in 1904, these "torpedo boat destroyers" (TBDs) were "large, swift, and powerfully armed torpedo boats designed to destroy other torpedo boats."Although the term "destroyer" had been used interchangeably with "TBD" and "torpedo boat destroyer" by navies since 1892, the term "torpedo boat destroyer" had been generally shortened to simply "destroyer" by nearly all navies by the First World War.

That is a little off. When torpedo boats became a threat the world navies created the TBD which was heavily armed for its size. Over time the TBD's gained torpedoes of their own as they had the firepower to fight the enemy TBD's which the torpedo boats did not.

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5 hours ago, GreyFox78659 said:

US PT boats

the game will never have PT boats, just like it'll never have playable submarines, so get it out of your mind, cause it ain't happening

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On 10/15/2017 at 11:40 AM, tcbaker777 said:

the game will never have PT boats, just like it'll never have playable submarines, so get it out of your mind, cause it ain't happening

Tier 1 USS Erie is a PG which is a patrol boat. There are several other patrol boats in the game. So they are in they game and playable.

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On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 5:27 PM, GreyFox78659 said:

Tier 1 USS Erie is a PG which is a patrol boat. There are several other patrol boats in the game. So they are in they game and playable.

Then go play one in tier one.

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On 10/18/2017 at 7:27 PM, GreyFox78659 said:

Tier 1 USS Erie is a PG which is a patrol boat. There are several other patrol boats in the game. So they are in they game and playable.

USS Erie 2800 tons, 4 - 6", 231 men, Higgins PT boat 43 tons, 11 men.

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9 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

USS Erie 2800 tons, 4 - 6", 231 men, Higgins PT boat 43 tons, 11 men.

“P” is for patrol and “G” is for gunboat . Gunboats require more men and a bigger crew than “T” torpedo boats.

 

USS Erie was PG-50

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6 hours ago, GreyFox78659 said:

“P” is for patrol and “G” is for gunboat . Gunboats require more men and a bigger crew than “T” torpedo boats.

 

USS Erie was PG-50

I forgot one other big difference between the two classes. PG = steam powered, PT = gasoline engine powered.

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On 10/21/2017 at 11:09 AM, BrushWolf said:

I forgot one other big difference between the two classes. PG = steam powered, PT = gasoline engine powered.

PT were originally PTM and there were PGM

 

M was for motor powered. As ships around WW2 were becoming diesel powered even large ships the M was retired do to redundancy. But P still means Patrol. And all Patrol boats performed the same job recon and short range protection.

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PT boats should not be included into the game. They're just a waste of development time for WG, and WG has vastly more important things to work on.

The only time I would ever be cool with playing a PT boat is in an operation, and only as a scout for other ships. There should only be 1-2 in a 7-player list, at most.

Sure, they would have minuscule detection ranges (probably less than 3km). They would also only be capable of firing a few fish. I know the German Schnellboot had two forward-facing tubes, and I believe USN PT boats had four tubes. Also, being so small, they wouldn't get more than one reload. I can fire twelve fish in a minute while driving my Minekaze, and I still get to reload afterward. Good luck convincing players to fire four torpedoes in the course of an operation, then to just scout and avoid enemy fire.

They would also be extremely fragile. Something along the lines of "all DDs can kill you with six shells" fragile. They would be very fast (over 40 knots at full speed) and very maneuverable (rarely more than 30m long), but they just don't have the armor or size to take anything more than the lightest amount of incoming fire. With hot easy it is to kill a DD, torpedo boats are just not feasible.

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