1,920 [CNO] Soshi_Sone [CNO] Members 3,861 posts 13,078 battles Report post #1 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) This time with pictures. Note the chat early game. One of our players has already given up. Yeah, we're down a cap, a ship, and over 100 points. But we have excellent positioning, mutual support, and focus fire. The enemy is spread out. The Biz and Ed in front of me are doing great in the lead, allowing me to push up even while bottom tier and lending close support. I guess this could also be a bottom tier thread too! And here is how it ended. Not just a win...but a decisive win. Don't give up folks. p.s., Oh my, check out where our T5 ended up...in the T8 match!!!! Edited October 12, 2017 by Soshi_Sone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
628 [NMKJT] Wombatmetal Members 2,738 posts Report post #2 Posted October 12, 2017 Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? - Senator Blutarsky 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
380 Octavian_of_Roma Members 1,026 posts 8,071 battles Report post #3 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Deleted Edited October 13 by Octavian_of_Roma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
715 [USCC2] _WaveRider_ Members 3,595 posts Report post #4 Posted October 12, 2017 I agree that as long as there are ships on your team, you can turn any game that is not going well into a win - but if someone chooses to look at a situation in a particular way, then that is their choice. It seems you are asking for people to stop being defeatist(?) - what does it matter if you remain positive and believe a win is always possible whatever the odds? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,281 [RKLES] Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 7,243 posts 9,040 battles Report post #5 Posted October 12, 2017 Had 4 ships on my team sail around the map together and wipe out all 12 of the enemy ships. I had my Bismarck, also there was an Atlanta, a DD, and forgot what the 4th was. Anyway it was fun lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
628 [NMKJT] Wombatmetal Members 2,738 posts Report post #6 Posted October 12, 2017 I don't always believe a win is possible but if I am going down, I am going down swinging. And sometimes I surprise myself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
398 [R-F1] Shadeylark Beta Testers 1,874 posts 6,902 battles Report post #7 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) The problem I see here isn't the defeatist attitude... it's the WRONG defeatist attitude. Calling the outcome of something with a proper understanding of the situation is perfectly valid. Calling the outcome of something without a proper understanding of the situation is wrong. What that guy did in the example of the OP is equivalent to what the pundits did in the presidential election. It doesn't mean making a determination on the likely outcome is bad or shouldn't occur; it only means doing so with faulty or biased data, or alternatively a lack of proper comprehension of what the data says is occurring, is bad and shouldn't occur. Edited October 12, 2017 by Shadeylark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
715 [USCC2] _WaveRider_ Members 3,595 posts Report post #8 Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Shadeylark said: The problem I see here isn't the defeatist attitude... it's the WRONG defeatist attitude. Calling the outcome of something with a proper understanding of the situation is perfectly valid. Calling the outcome of something without a proper understanding of the situation is wrong. What that guy did in the example of the OP is equivalent to what the pundits did in the presidential election. It doesn't mean making a determination on the likely outcome is bad or shouldn't occur; it only means doing so with faulty or biased data, or alternatively a lack of proper comprehension of what the data says is occurring, is bad and shouldn't occur. Agree to an extent, but then again: Experience and weighing up the odds can give you an idea of how a battle may go - but with things like dev strikes or detonations and the sheer spectrum of the player base (different levels of skill), how do you truely 'understand' the situation you are in? That is where I tend to go back to my basic take on things - if I'm alive, I can win! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
137 HellaCopterRescue Supertester 505 posts 4,421 battles Report post #9 Posted October 12, 2017 mhmmm 8 minutes ago, _WaveRider_ said: Agree to an extent, but then again: Experience and weighing up the odds can give you an idea of how a battle may go - but with things like dev strikes or detonations and the sheer spectrum of the player base (different levels of skill), how do you truely 'understand' the situation you are in? That is where I tend to go back to my basic take on things - if I'm alive, I can win! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
433 [CUTER] Kongo_Pride Members 704 posts 19,097 battles Report post #10 Posted October 12, 2017 If I am in a losing situation, I usually quote one of my favorite movies. This usually serves as a tell to the enemy team that I am going down...but they are going to know they are in a fight. "Not without incident" That said, I have no problem communicating with my own team in chat to try and motivate them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
139 ChisanaJun Members 566 posts 1,895 battles Report post #11 Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Soshi_Sone said: This time with pictures. Note the chat early game. One of our players has already given up. Yeah, we're down a cap, a ship, and over 100 points. But we have excellent positioning, mutual support, and focus fire. The enemy is spread out. The Biz and Ed in front of me are doing great in the lead, allowing me to push up even while bottom tier and lending close support. I guess this could also be a bottom tier thread too! And here is how it ended. Not just a win...but a decisive win. Don't give up folks. p.s., Oh my, check out where our T5 ended up...in the T8 match!!!! Soshi-san I estimate some persons see futility in long odds, while other see challenge and honor. Matter of perception and motivation. This is but a game and I desire (if correct word)? he is not same in his life endeavors. Wish I had skill as this as shown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,234 [GWG] AVR_Project [GWG] Members 5,423 posts 9,614 battles Report post #12 Posted October 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, KongoPride said: If I am in a losing situation, I usually quote one of my favorite movies. This usually serves as a tell to the enemy team that I am going down...but they are going to know they are in a fight. "Not without incident" That said, I have no problem communicating with my own team in chat to try and motivate them. One of my favorite movies. Remember to take your meds.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
74 [CUTE] Hatsuzuki_DD Members 168 posts 12,737 battles Report post #13 Posted October 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Destroyer_Suzukaze said: Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? - Senator Blutarsky Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,234 [GWG] AVR_Project [GWG] Members 5,423 posts 9,614 battles Report post #14 Posted October 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Icecaptain said: Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude OK.... FOOD FIGHT !!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
900 Hiroe Members 5,579 posts 3,952 battles Report post #15 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Staving off defeatist thoughts is just as important as playing intelligently or thoughtfully or whatever else. No kidding. If you get caught in the trap of defeatism and begin to focus on your supposedly inevitable defeat, you'll stop thinking about the game and what you can do to win. Edited October 12, 2017 by Elegant_Winter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
900 Hiroe Members 5,579 posts 3,952 battles Report post #16 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Icecaptain said: Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude He's a smart person. I'm sure he knows that. :) Edited October 12, 2017 by Elegant_Winter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,072 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 16,193 posts 11,707 battles Report post #17 Posted October 12, 2017 I give up when I see things like undefended flanks, DD's who don't go anywhere near caps, and teams who all go to C on neighbors. I still try but I do not expect to win, and I am rarely wrong about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
352 CylonRed Members 3,492 posts 6,195 battles Report post #18 Posted October 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, crzyhawk said: I give up when I see things like undefended flanks, DD's who don't go anywhere near caps, and teams who all go to C on neighbors. I still try but I do not expect to win, and I am rarely wrong about it. Id DDs are spotting - no issues with that. What irritates me is players announcing that DDs should be the only ones that cap. Usually the person chatting this is a BB with a couple more BBs with them who refuse to cap. Last night I actually had to state that ANYONE can cap. More times this week than in the last 6+ months people insisting that only DDs cap. Undefended flanks cause me to see red as it is usually the side I am on for some reason. I usually make several comments about it in chat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,760 Skpstr Members 18,363 posts 5,241 battles Report post #19 Posted October 12, 2017 36 minutes ago, Icecaptain said: Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude Bluto Blutarsky says they did. Check YOUR history..... then hand in your pledge pin! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,072 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 16,193 posts 11,707 battles Report post #20 Posted October 12, 2017 I try to support DD's as a cruiser main. It's one of the reasons I like to play my Belfast and Perth as much as I do. They have the tools to get close to caps and help cover DD's capping. It gives the team a huge advantage when DD's start to knife fight in a cap and suddenly a Belfast decloaks from 9km with shots out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19 [SKI] nightrider760 Members 135 posts 5,260 battles Report post #21 Posted October 12, 2017 51 minutes ago, Icecaptain said: Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude Animal House Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
166 [-AGW-] Skarp_AGW Members 685 posts 3,886 battles Report post #22 Posted October 12, 2017 55 minutes ago, Icecaptain said: Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude Don't stop him, he's on a roll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
715 [USCC2] _WaveRider_ Members 3,595 posts Report post #23 Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, HellaCopterRescue said: mhmmm I do apologise, I'm not a reader of frog expressions or mhmmms (do frogs say mhmmm?). But to put it very simply (and how I look at it) - Due to the varying level of player skill and game mechanics like detonation, if you are alive in game, then there is always a chance to win! I await another mhmmm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
56 [JASH] murf4321 Members 385 posts 5,253 battles Report post #24 Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Icecaptain said: Germany never bombed Pearl Harbour..... check your history my dude Buddy, you have to watch more classic movies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
247 [SF-3] Kevs02Accord Members 1,540 posts 8,175 battles Report post #25 Posted October 12, 2017 I can empathize with the guy, its really frustrating to see a team just flop around and inevitably lose. I have seen enough losing teams / players to reliably know when a game is lost. Some times I call it out, rarely am I wrong, but I never actually give up. If you are some one who actually gives up, and I have seen it, dont bother playing. This actually happens a lot in ranked, they give up, yolo but by the time they are dead or dying, we're back to winning, then they end up costing us the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
