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Just was reading and found out some interesting facts that are commonly replaced by myths.

Apaarently when the IJN sent Yamato on its final mission to Okinawa it did have enough fuel for Round Trip even though it seemed unlikely to be returning to Japan.

And it did manage to shoot down at least 10 aircraft in that final mission. Not sure where the stories of it having enough fuel for 1 way trip and failing to shoot down any planes ever came from,

 

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Ever since I can remember it was a one way suicide mission with just enough fuel to get there 

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Well apparently records have been found that it received enough fuel to make it Round Trip.

Think the suicidal nature of the mission gave rise to the Myth that it only had the 1 way fuel amount. But since they considered the ship to almost be sacred and that it was supposed to be "unsinkable" I guess it makes sense to give it the fuel for round trip just in case it actually managed to wipe put the US fleet and have opportunity to return home as a hero.

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While I have heard the story of it having only enough fuel for a one way trip, I did not know if it was true or not.

 

As to the planes shot down. Duh. I mean seriously, you put up that much flak something is coming down.

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I don't for sure about the fuel. I do know she wasn't supposed to come back. She was supposed to beach herself on Okinawa and be used as a fort. I don't think anyone believed that would happen, it was pretty much a suicide mission. Why would they give her enough fuel to come back from a mission she wasn't supposed to come back from? I mean,Japan didn't exactly have a ton of spare oil lying around at the time. 

 

The planes, well duh. Throw enough crapat a wall, and some of it's going to stick. It just wasn't enough. Actually, some wanted to send the BBs after her, final glorious gunfight. But the orders were never given to detach the battle line, so the CVs did her in.

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14 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Actually, some wanted to send the BBs after her, final glorious gunfight.

Now that would of been a fight to see.

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5 minutes ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

Now that would of been a fight to see.

Yeah, it would have. One-sided, but awesome. I don't think the higher ups at the Navy ever really considered it (endangering capital ships and men and all that), and the subordinates in favor didn't press it. So the planes went.

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Just now, AJTP89 said:

Yeah, it would have.

I know what I was told by some of my Dad's VFW friends, the IJN had guts. So it would of been a very bloody battle if the BBs had of gone in and slugged it out.

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1 minute ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

I know what I was told by some of my Dad's VFW friends, the IJN had guts. So it would of been a very bloody battle if the BBs had of gone in and slugged it out.

Yup. Not really worth risking a new BB or a CA or two if you could do the job with planes. Probably less casulties too.

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Just now, AJTP89 said:

Yup. Not really worth risking a new BB or a CA or two if you could do the job with planes. Probably less casulties too.

Spruance ordered Admiral Deyo to assemble a force of six battleships (Massachusetts, Indiana, New Jersey, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Missouri), together with seven cruisers (including the large cruisers Alaska and Guam) and 21 destroyers, and to prepare for a surface engagement with Yamato should the airstrikes prove unsuccessful.

Wow it would of been a lot of fire works!!

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38 minutes ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

Spruance ordered Admiral Deyo to assemble a force of six battleships (Massachusetts, Indiana, New Jersey, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Missouri), together with seven cruisers (including the large cruisers Alaska and Guam) and 21 destroyers, and to prepare for a surface engagement with Yamato should the airstrikes prove unsuccessful.

Wow it would of been a lot of fire works!!

 

It would have been a massive blood bath. Imagine the amount of cross fire the Yamato would have endured

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1 hour ago, AJTP89 said:

Actually, some wanted to send the BBs after her, final glorious gunfight.

 

48 minutes ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

Now that would of been a fight to see.

 

41 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Yeah, it would have. One-sided, but awesome. I don't think the higher ups at the Navy ever really considered it (endangering capital ships and men and all that), and the subordinates in favor didn't press it. So the planes went.

 

38 minutes ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

I know what I was told by some of my Dad's VFW friends, the IJN had guts. So it would of been a very bloody battle if the BBs had of gone in and slugged it out.

 

35 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Yup. Not really worth risking a new BB or a CA or two if you could do the job with planes. Probably less casulties too.

Yeah it likely would have been quite the battle since apparently Yamato did have Targeting Radar late war so I would imagine she would have been able to score some devastating hits considering how massive the main guns were.

I would be shocked if at least 1 of the USN ships did not go down. Likely Yamato would have taken more than 1 enemy ship down since that is what she had been designed to do, but against as many ships as USN had I Doubt Yamato could have survived.

Now of Pearl Harbor had not been attacked and if the USN had sent its battlefleet to vs the IJN earlier in the war I have little doubt the IJN would have sank the USN in Deep Water since IJN could fight well at night at that point, but the late war battle Yamato had it would have lost, but still would have taken some down with her.

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1 minute ago, Batwingsix said:

 

It would have been a massive blood bath. Imagine the amount of cross fire the Yamato would have endured

I would have been more worried about the USN BBs since with the shockwave the Yamato main guns made when they fired I would hate to be a BB on the receiving end of such shells.

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2 minutes ago, Batwingsix said:

 

It would have been a massive blood bath. Imagine the amount of cross fire the Yamato would have endured

 

1 minute ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

 

 

 

 

Yeah it likely would have been quite the battle since apparently Yamato did have Targeting Radar late war so I would imagine she would have been able to score some devastating hits considering how massive the main guns were.

I would be shocked if at least 1 of the USN ships did not go down. Likely Yamato would have taken more than 1 enemy ship down since that is what she had been designed to do, but against as many ships as USN had I Doubt Yamato could have survived.

Now of Pearl Harbor had not been attacked and if the USN had sent its battlefleet to vs the IJN earlier in the war I have little doubt the IJN would have sank the USN in Deep Water since IJN could fight well at night at that point, but the late war battle Yamato had it would have lost, but still would have taken some down with her.

Yes it would of been a massive bloodbath but all war is that, as far has how many ships the Yamato would of taken out.

Well I think if Yamato stuck first, it may of taken one or more ships, but who know that a "What if" moment.

It would kinda cool if it could be set up in Game some how!

 

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2 minutes ago, Chaos_EN2 said:

 

Yes it would of been a massive bloodbath but all war is that, as far has how many ships the Yamato would of taken out.

Well I think if Yamato stuck first, it may of taken one or more ships, but who know that a "What if" moment.

It would kinda cool if it could be set up in Game some how!

 

Don't forget to give Yamato its light Cruiser and DDs lol heard 1 special Kuma Class variant in the war that would operate in 3 Kuma sepecial Type squad and were modified to give broadsides of 20 Torpedoes per Kuma so together they could launch 60 torp spread and possibly turn and give another 60 Torps, not sure if the special type of Kuma class had the Normal in hull launchers or deck launchers. But imagine if one of those was escorting Yamato since the Long Torps could do double or triple their in game range..

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11 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

Don't forget to give Yamato its light Cruiser and DDs lol heard 1 special Kuma Class variant in the war that would operate in 3 Kuma sepecial Type squad and were modified to give broadsides of 20 Torpedoes per Kuma so together they could launch 60 torp spread and possibly turn and give another 60 Torps, not sure if the special type of Kuma class had the Normal in hull launchers or deck launchers. But imagine if one of those was escorting Yamato since the Long Torps could do double or triple their in game range..

She had the cruiser Yahagi, and 8 destroyers - The operation also included the destroyers Isokaze, Hamakaze, Yukikaze, Kasumi, Hatsushimo, Asashimo, Fuyuzuki and Suzutsuki.

And the USN may of sent: Spruance ordered Admiral Deyo to assemble a force of six battleships (Massachusetts, Indiana, New Jersey, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Missouri), together with seven cruisers (including the large cruisers Alaska and Guam) and 21 destroyers, and to prepare for a surface engagement with Yamato should the airstrikes prove unsuccessful.

Wow!

 

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7 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

Don't forget to give Yamato its light Cruiser and DDs lol heard 1 special Kuma Class variant in the war that would operate in 3 Kuma sepecial Type squad and were modified to give broadsides of 20 Torpedoes per Kuma so together they could launch 60 torp spread and possibly turn and give another 60 Torps, not sure if the special type of Kuma class had the Normal in hull launchers or deck launchers. But imagine if one of those was escorting Yamato since the Long Torps could do double or triple their in game range..

the light cruiser was Yahagi. An Agano Class.

 

the Oi and Kitakami were fit as torpedo cruisers, this refit was striped in 1942 from both ships, removing all torpedoes in order for the ships to carry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu-class_landing_craft.

 

Oi was sunk by USS Flasher on 19 july, 1944 when she was being used as a fast transport.

 

Kitakami was later refited to carry 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten torpedoes, and then bascialy never left harbor untill after the war when she was used as a repair tender untill she was scraped in 1946

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As for those wondering why so much fuel.

 

Even when Yamato beached itself, it needed fuel to operate it's generators. She was designed to generate far more power than required to maintain her combat integrity with battle damage to continue operating turbo and power driven pumps, turrets, and combat systems. She also had Turbo generators directly tied to her propulsion system's steam outlets meaning it could be partially directed to operate power systems. She was also capable of producing a lot of fresh water with her evaporators meaning having that fuel would allow her to supply the ship and troops ashore with fresh water in case of reduced supplies.

Quite a few reasons to keep that added fuel, not even mentioning she could technically extend her power grid ashore if she was beached in an area that could connect to her.

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30 minutes ago, Drakenred said:

the light cruiser was Yahagi. An Agano Class.

 

the Oi and Kitakami were fit as torpedo cruisers, this refit was striped in 1942 from both ships, removing all torpedoes in order for the ships to carry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu-class_landing_craft.

 

Oi was sunk by USS Flasher on 19 july, 1944 when she was being used as a fast transport.

 

Kitakami was later refited to carry 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten torpedoes, and then bascialy never left harbor untill after the war when she was used as a repair tender untill she was scraped in 1946

What about the 3 Kitakami class CA? There was supposed to be 3 of them?

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15 minutes ago, Azumazi said:

As for those wondering why so much fuel.

 

Even when Yamato beached itself, it needed fuel to operate it's generators. She was designed to generate far more power than required to maintain her combat integrity with battle damage to continue operating turbo and power driven pumps, turrets, and combat systems. She also had Turbo generators directly tied to her propulsion system's steam outlets meaning it could be partially directed to operate power systems. She was also capable of producing a lot of fresh water with her evaporators meaning having that fuel would allow her to supply the ship and troops ashore with fresh water in case of reduced supplies.

Quite a few reasons to keep that added fuel, not even mentioning she could technically extend her power grid ashore if she was beached in an area that could connect to her.

Yeah this is another reason to send Yamato with full fuel tanks is to keep the systems runnng as well as traveling there.

Plus if the need had arisen to battle the USN BBs while enroute you would need the fuel to operate at combat speed otherwise you end up a sitting duck like Bismarck's final gun duel was.

And the return trip was also considered just in case as well.

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1 hour ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

What about the 3 Kitakami class CA? There was supposed to be 3 of them?

There is no Kitakami class Cruiser.. The Kitakami and Oi were remodeled into torpedo cruisers, but they were still light cruisers.

 

Kuma was also supposed to get the torpedo fit, but they did not have enough torpedo mounts, and even then it appears that a year latter they striped both ships of all torpedoes.

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3 hours ago, Drakenred said:

There is no Kitakami class Cruiser.. The Kitakami and Oi were remodeled into torpedo cruisers, but they were still light cruisers.

 

Kuma was also supposed to get the torpedo fit, but they did not have enough torpedo mounts, and even then it appears that a year latter they striped both ships of all torpedoes.

Think it was because the projected plans changed because of various events, if they had their expected decisive surface battle such refitted Cruisers would have been very useful in the night attacks that would accompany the day attacks by the main BB and Heavy Cruiser forces.

Ironically as I heard recently suggested the IJN needed to avoid the Pearl Harbor attack and should have instead waited for the USN fleet to come to them and set the battle closer to Japanese area of Pacific since without Pearl Harbor US would not have been as fired up about Japan and would not have realized the power of Carriers without the brutal demonstrationand being left with pretty much only Carriers intact for a little while.

Plus the fact any USN ships sunk would have stayed sunk instead of all but one of USN BBs getting repaired after a Pearl Harbor.

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The thing is the us navy did not have the logistic capacity to do more than they actualy did Post Pearl Harbor.

 

give me a bit to find something back.

 

 

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