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What German battle ship you hate fighting more Tirpitz or Bismarck?

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Tirpitz by a very tiny margin because I have to keep in mind not to close to within 6 km of it.

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I would go with Bismarck, Simply because she seem to be more accurate then the Tirpitz

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The hardest hitting ship in wows when your in a cruiser is the gneis.

The gneis guns are killers totally unlike the tirpitz or bismarck they do not worry me at all.

 

The gneis is nasty.

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Both. Both have nasty secondaries of doom and hard punching guns when used correctly.  Mainly Bismarcks more since most people who play them have experience with the German line while the Tirpitz can be bought.

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3 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

The hardest hitting ship in wows when your in a cruiser is the gneis.

The gneis guns are killers totally unlike the tirpitz or bismarck they do not worry me at all.

 

The gneis is nasty.

I find this to be true only at close range, as the Kneesnow has only 6 guns with horrible dispersion at range.

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2 minutes ago, TwoOfFour said:

Both. Both have nasty secondaries of doom and hard punching guns when used correctly.  Mainly Bismarcks more since most people who play them have experience with the German line while the Tirpitz can be bought.

 

Quite a few people got the free bismarck a while back and didnt have to grind up the line.

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Just now, RipNuN2 said:

 

Quite a few people got the free bismarck a while back and didnt have to grind up the line.

I am aware of that since I was one of those people (Ended selling her since I couldn't work her out). I'm just pointing out that it seems most of the more experienced players seem to be in the Bismarck since most grinded down the line.

Then again, I also sometimes fear the Tirpitz more because of the torpedoes but why in the world would you get that close to a freaking Tirpitz!?

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18 minutes ago, TwoOfFour said:

why in the world would you get that close to a freaking Tirpitz!?

 

Because I'm in another BB, I prefer close range, I'm smart enough to know I'm closing to that range to switch to HE and can aim to knock out/destroy them, most telegraph when they intend to launch, and even inside that range, I still can usually avoid them/minimize damage. I can't tell you how many times Gnei, Scharn, and Tirp have come at me thinking "I got torps, they don't", or any number of cruisers/DD's, and think they have me because they've gotten within as low 3-4 km with a BB (lowest range dodge was Shinonome at 1.5 ish km), only for my HE salvo to knock out or obliterate the torpedo tubes, meaning they can't launch or it buys me a split second that gives them a bad launch angle/no angle. That is why I encourage those who play BB yeah, fire what you got loaded, but press the key that the next round is the one you really want like HE because while damage is close between HE and AP overpens (usually I believe HE does slightly more), a lot have forgotten it seems that HE is the go to against an angled BB, that it destroys modules like torpedo tubes and secondaries better, and is actually slightly more likely to cause a detonation (as the blast radius can damage the magazine areas after they hit 0 hp from further away on the ship than the AP round that require a more direct hit, because they essentially have more rolls against it).

 

Back on topic - Bismarck. I was all for buffing the Tirpitz secondary range not just for consistency, but because really, yeah, the range on those torps is usually easy enough to stay out of or you knock them outwith HE. Which makes it Bismarck without Hydro. And that Hydro can make it a pain in a DD/cruiser if your trying to torp it. Or stay hidden from secondaries.

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1 hour ago, TwoOfFour said:

why in the world would you get that close to a freaking Tirpitz!?

Sometimes it's not your decision.

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To me this is a no brainer = Tirpitz. They are sister ships and are very similar. Even more so than Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Now that the secondary range for Tirpitz matches Bismarck you have to give the nod to Tirpitz due to the torps.

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19 hours ago, Lert said:

Sometimes it's not your decision.

Yup, you might be in a slower T6/T7 BB and it runs you down, the Tirpitz pops up from behind cover unexpected, or you can't disengage and turn to flee without getting pounded by other ships. I try and stay 7-8km away from Tirpitz but there are times you can't.

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4 hours ago, SgtSpud said:

I find this to be true only at close range, as the Kneesnow has only 6 guns with horrible dispersion at range.

Yeah, Gneisenau is not a gun boat. Terrible main guns accuracy wise. If it didn't have torps it would be useless.

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I also tend to have more trouble against Bismarck. Probably also due to the driver having more German BB experience.

Tirpitz don't really bother me because half of the time I see them they are all alone.

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13 hours ago, MasterDiggs said:

I also tend to have more trouble against Bismarck. Probably also due to the driver having more German BB experience.

Tirpitz don't really bother me because half of the time I see them they are all alone.

I actually see them do that too. Glad to know it is not just me. LOL

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On ‎9‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 2:55 PM, Xlap said:

Tirpitz, just because it has torps. 

 

Same here.  Plus, it seems to be able to maneuver much more easier and faster than Bismarck 

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17 minutes ago, thunderball2 said:

Same here.  Plus, it seems to be able to maneuver much more easier and faster than Bismarck 

I had never really noticed that but was curious so I went and looked. Turning radius is the same for both (850m) as is the rudder shift (12.8 sec w/ steering gears mod 2). Bismarck is actually faster by a hair (31 knots for Bismarck vs 30.5 knots for Tirpitz). Both maneuver very well for big BB's and they are fast to boot.

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On ‎9‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:21 AM, MajorRenegade said:

I would go with Bismarck, Simply because she seem to be more accurate then the Tirpitz

I've had Tirpitz for a long time and had Bismarck that I won in the May event for a while and I didn't notice any difference in the accuracy. IMHO, the only real difference is Bis having hydro and 'Pitz having torpedoes. I sold Bismarck as I consider Tirpitz to be the better of the 2. (I wish that I could use Bismarck's event camo on Tirpitz)

I hate fighting both ships though Tirpitz is more hazardous at close range due to the torpedoes.

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If I'm playing a BB, Tirpitz, the torpedoes are a threat that has to be accounted for and respected.

 

If I do DD, Bismarck, because the presence of Hydro on her increases the chances of my torps getting spotted early and countered.

 

If I do a CV, neither.  Tier VIII German BBs are never AA specced.

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It honestly depends on what you are sailing.

 

As soon as you are spotted and within their range, both Bismarck and Tirpitz's secondaries will open up on you. For a BB, these may just spawn a few fires, but these can cause CAs issues and can wreck a DD.

Obviously, a Tirpitz has an added punch at close range with the torpedos. I've even surprised another BB as he was coming straight at me, so I fired off the torps from 8km out. He drive right into them.

 

I think the Tirpitz might be the more challenging ship, as unless you are one of those looking up everyone's stats, you don't know how good the other person is in it. Is it someone who bought it without having any other high tier ships? Is it someone who has already gone through all lines to Tier 10 and just running around in it?

 

In the right hands, both Bismarck and Tirpitz can give you a bad day.

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On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 0:49 PM, HazeGrayUnderway said:

If I do a CV, neither.  Tier VIII German BBs are never AA specced.

I reckon that I'm a rarity then, because my Tirpitz IS AA specced. She aint as severe of a fly swatter as Alabama, but she's no free lunch to a CV. :cap_rambo:

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