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Poll: No CVs in Clan War - Good or Bad?

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I think the reasoning is much simpler guys. Match making.  CV always requires 1 on the enemy team, and when you guys can be placed into CB without a CV vs a CV that would be horribly unbalanced unlike arty in WoT.   Having 1 CV on a team and none on the other would mean one could easily find and spot with little to no effort, strike from distance to avoid taking damage etc.  In WoT you can simply hide behind a rock to avoid arty or remain unspotted, thats not really an option vs CV's.  

 

This goes to show why CV need reworked, if they cause this much of an issue with just 1 in the match.  Having just 1 BB or 1 CA or 1 DD doesn't have near the impact.  Their choice to keep CV out until reworked is a good choice for now, though the fact that they let CV get in this bad of shape is sad and I feel bad for CV mains forced into other ships just to play in clan battles.  Our WoT clan loved our arty players on some maps in clanwars, we saw them get some pretty epic shots during campaigns.


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Just now, Cpt_RickSchwifty said:

 

Well see now you've changed your position.......

 

I fully expect to see a lot more ROAMING, cruisers chaining smoke and radar is going to fail on every map but hot spot. What you just described is what I was getting at, you will not be able to split your team into 2 sets to create "uber belfast" you are going to have to have a much more balanced and self sufficient team and that is exactly what war-gaming was after. 

Not really. There will be variations on gameplay but dd's will be useless. Any and all (serious players) will spec with RPF, hydro, vigilance, spotter plane, radar...and some with smoke are going to eliminate the role dds play. With no planes to worry about they can and will have a torp spotting bubble that will border on ridiculous. Remember a dd's job is to spot for team and sink BB's. A Cruisers job is to kill dd's. Without the threat of CV's or BB's cruisers will just run wild and the most lethal is the Mino as it has the most tools in the bag.


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28 minutes ago, Cpt_RickSchwifty said:

 

None of that matters though. If your plan is to chain smoke in your minos you have very little room to move. Especially with 6 of them and a BB. In the scenario that was given those minos and conq are going to eat fish and sink in minutes. Doesn't matter if they see them coming from the launch point 15km out. Your going to see a bunch of pink and have a lot of scratched paint in those little smoke bubbles.

 

Radar is only ~9km in range, and you are slower than the DDs not to mention at anything beyond 7km..... good luck hitting a pack of Unicum DD players with those shell arcs. I don't know about you but I don't really rely on concealment in high tier DDs, Im no Shima player. It's guns out and dodge boys.

 

 

Im not saying there is not going to be problems but the 6 mino 1 bb strat is not going to materialize.

 

I expect to see a bunch of Khabs/Ogni/Gearings with speed flags and speed boosts kiting like no tomorrow. You are not going to be able to just run a bunch of DDs or a bunch of cruisers, you are going to need to have forward spotters and some back line support. Removing CVs, the smoke changes, and the possible AP changes to DDs are going to really help with the gimmick strats at high level play. 

 

Seems to me like to many people are not accounting for the other changes coming. The ole smoke up behind the island and have a corner shoot out is not going to work as well, with the removal of CVs the DDs will be free to flank you and if you are clustered with no scouting and some gearing gets your flank.... good night kids.

 

 

Sounds like fun times ahead ..  I play Cruisers:Smile_honoring:let da Clan wars begin!!


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12 minutes ago, Sweetsie said:

Not really. There will be variations on gameplay but dd's will be useless. Any and all (serious players) will spec with RPF, hydro, vigilance, spotter plane, radar...and some with smoke are going to eliminate the role dds play. With no planes to worry about they can and will have a torp spotting bubble that will border on ridiculous. Remember a dd's job is to spot for team and sink BB's. A Cruisers job is to kill dd's. Without the threat of CV's or BB's cruisers will just run wild and the most lethal is the Mino as it has the most tools in the bag.

 

Last I checked Khab is considered one of the most lethal ships in the game and no one runs smoke or relies on torps in that thing.

 

What is going to matter most in clan wars is:

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27 minutes ago, Hatework said:

Could you just imagine a t(nothing) CV driver renting a t10 CV and facing an actual t10 CV driver?  Good luck with that.  

 

That's going to be a problem with the whole thing, you're gonna have tier 5 players renting tier 10 ships, and going boom even without the CV's.


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1 minute ago, Cpt_RickSchwifty said:

 

Last I checked Khab is considered one of the most lethal ships in the game and no one runs smoke or relies on torps in that thing. 

Rick, just stop. this started on you saying how you would tear and torp a group of Minos apart in your Gearing. Now it's running around in a bunch of Khabs....


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1 minute ago, Sweetsie said:

Rick, just stop. this started on you saying how you would tear and torp a group of Minos apart in your Gearing. Now it's running around in a bunch of Khabs....

Why you gotta go and do that..... I mean it started by you saying that the game is going to be nothing but minos chaining smoke and radar, and  all i said was hey, long range torps counter that even if you seem em coming you will need fast dds and long range cruisers. I was just having a talk at work w.e

 

 


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14 minutes ago, SgtBeltfed said:

 

That's going to be a problem with the whole thing, you're gonna have tier 5 players renting tier 10 ships, and going boom even without the CV's.

Agreed, but the threads about CVs specifically, so I'm trying to stay focused.


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2 hours ago, Cpt_RickSchwifty said:

 

There's a reason after the invention of the Carrier that battleships and pretty much all large slow moving ships became irrelevant or turned into missile frigates

 

 

A poster's sig line said it best along the line: Battleship became obsolete not because of the carrier but because it could not damage in RETURN anymore.


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3 minutes ago, Hurlbut said:

A poster's sig line said it best along the line: Battleship became obsolete not because of the carrier but because it could not damage in RETURN anymore.

 

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3 hours ago, smf117 said:

Without them the torp spam will be OP, AA cruisers will respec for radar and with that the BBs will be somewhat unplayable due to torp spam and DD play will be unplayable due to radar spam.

 

Such ignorance.

 

Torp spam is pathetically weak to begin with, AA cruisers always have radar, period (Minotaur doesn't have AA consumables, and for all other cruisers DF and radar are in different slots)

 

 


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So let me get this straight..  the game mode in which CV's should be most balanced, due to the teams being the most organized, isn't going to have CV's?  I feel like WG is getting this bass ackwards.

I'm a cruiser player, but I feel like the limits here would actually make cruiser play far more boring.

  People are worried about "tier 5 CV players renting tier 10 CV's"..  why the heck would a clan allow this unless they:

   A:  Honestly have faith that their tier 5 CV player would be competitive or;

  B: Just feel like goofing around and don't really care about winning.

P.S.: Battleships became "Obselete" because they couldn't cover as much area as a carrier..   In reality, Carriers had trouble beating battleships in a fight (especially after the BB's were modified with good AAA).. just the battleships couldn't usually shoot back at the carrier.  The U.S.S Maryland is a good example of this.  It came under aircraft attack multiple times, but it was never considered seriously damaged, let alone destroyed.


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3 hours ago, smf117 said:

Without them the torp spam will be OP, AA cruisers will respec for radar and with that the BBs will be somewhat unplayable due to torp spam and DD play will be unplayable due to radar spam.

 

What exactly will the torps be spammed on?  The one BB?  If your BB frequently dies like this, you need to reassess your strategies.  The cruisers?  Possible, but consider how many will either turn very well or run hydro. radar or both.

 

DDs unplayable because of radar?  Sure buddy, sure.


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5 hours ago, Crucis said:

Actually, it's called Clan BATTLES, not Clan Wars.  And I suspect that these CB's will be more like WoT's stronghold battles than WoT's CW's.  I think that this is just WoWS' way of building their way up to full fledged CW's.

If this is the case, I sure hope they don't have base/port raids. That was hands down the most annoying part  in WOT. Non competative clans could never reap any benifits form high tier bases because they lacked the strength to defend their buildings.:Smile_amazed:


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4 minutes ago, BladedPheonix said:

If this is the case, I sure hope they don't have base/port raids. That was hands down the most annoying part  in WOT. Non competative clans could never reap any benifits form high tier bases because they lacked the strength to defend their buildings.:Smile_amazed:

 

That would stink.


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37 minutes ago, BladedPheonix said:

If this is the case, I sure hope they don't have base/port raids. That was hands down the most annoying part  in WOT. Non competative clans could never reap any benifits form high tier bases because they lacked the strength to defend their buildings.:Smile_amazed:

I agree 100%.  It stunk so bad at the time that the clan I was in ( clan that was ranked around high 80's to low 90's) arranged a "treaty" with a large number of other mid range clans in the same situation, in which they all agreed to attack each other to fill up the SH battle time slots to prevent the unicum clans from seal clubbing any clan that wasn't a unicum clan.  It lasted for a while before the unicum clans went crying to WG and WG kowtowed to the whiny little brats ... I mean, the unicum clans.

I honestly really hated SH battles, not because of the battles themselves.  Those could be fun if you were up against a clan in your general talent range.  It stunk not being able to go over SH level 4 without getting gang [edited] by all the top 20 unicum clans.


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Bad idea.  CVs won't get to run rampant in Clan Wars because Tier X is the place of the most powerful AA in the game.

 

Montana easily incorporates AA Builds while not giving up her accuracy, and would be a very nice draw to her than the other BBs that in order to have great secondaries, or improving accuracy, they have to give up any thought of improving AA.  Clan Wars would be a moment for Montana to shine with features other BBs won't have in one package.

 

4/5 of the Tier X Cruisers can EASILY incorporate devastating AA Builds.

 

The possibility of a CV in Clan Wars also presents a Build Dilemma, especially for Cruisers:  Do I drop Defensive Fire to make my Cruiser far better in detecting torps or helping push on a DD by taking Hydro, or take Defensive Fire but drop the assurances Hydro brings?

 

No CVs really limit possibilities out there.  No CVs, well, I'll tell you now, my Des Moines is going to Double Slot Hydro and Radar.  Hindenburg will drop any thought of AA and slot that magnificent Tier X German Hydro.  Etc.

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no one wants match up with Hak plus AA ship surrounding it for large portion of the match until the planes run out before they start to move out.        WG basically proved to us that  CVs are not balanced or balance-able in current guise, and is detrimental to enjoyment of majority of players.    


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I voted bad - to exclude a whole class is excluding those players who chose to play the CV lines.

 

It would have been better for WG to have put in 9v9 battles and possibly use the following limitations -

  • one CV
  • two BBs
  • three or four CAs  
  • two or three three DDs

the choice for the clans would be to maximize DDs or Cruisers in their ship alignment

 

 

 


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4 minutes ago, bat1159man said:

I voted bad - to exclude a whole class is excluding those players who chose to play the CV lines.

 

It would have been better for WG to have put in 9v9 battles and possibly use the following limitations -

  • one CV
  • two BBs
  • three or four CAs  
  • two or three three DDs

the choice for the clans would be to maximize DDs or Cruisers in their ship alignment

 

 

 

 

That would be a terrible idea.

 

First of all, nobody would take the CA in that setup.  You'd just be dictating that all teams run a specific comp.  Why?  That's not good.

 

The rules as is are much better.  You get one BB, it's the heart of the fleet.  You get 6 escort ships.  Pick any 6.  With only one BB there is an actual choice between CA and DDs, a real choice where both are good and bring something to the table.


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8 hours ago, zuga_01 said:

Poll: No CVs in Clan War - Good or Bad?

Biased poll.. how about an option for "No idea, but willing to wait and see"

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Just now, MaliceA4Thought said:

Biased poll.. how about an option for "No idea, but willing to wait and see"

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Not sure if it's biased per se or just incomplete. 


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10 hours ago, senseNOTmade said:

Good grief, are you having a bad day or something? You seem to be in a grouchy mood.

 

I made that post partially to acknowledge my own limited perspective. As a CV player, I feel somewhat excluded by this idea that the ship class which I most enjoy playing is not welcome in these new team battles. Instead, I tend to blame BBs for everything because of all the memories I have of getting deleted for no good reason from 15km away while playing cruisers. These deaths often felt like they weren't my fault, and were based completely on RNGeezus rather than on player skill.

However, I must also acknowledge that I am both bad at and have hardly played BBs, and so have little knowledge of what distinguishes a good BB player from a mediocre one. And I need to point out that in this respect, you are a perfect example of what I was talking about, because despite having never played a single game in a CV, you somehow know how CV play will pan out within this new format?

 

You accuse those of us who dont like CVs of being stupid. Of course you're going to get a tart response.

 

And yes,  I have 15000 games in WoWs so I know exactly how high tier games go when OP offmap guided missile cruisers are present. I dont have to play CVs to understand their deleterious effect on gameplay, any more than I have to be a cell biologist to understand how cancer impacts the lives of its sufferers.

 

In any case WG conceded CVs suck for gameplay when it hard balanced them in the MM and restricted their numbers, and now it has confirmed everything I have been saying. Your side has lost this argument, and now, thankfully, there is a No CV mode I can play with my friends. What a joy!


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