You're a Battleship..ACT LIKE IT!

[KalishniKat]

Arghhh...the BB Babies are really out in force lately. You're in a ship with the most HP in the game AND you have the ability to heal, along with the most powerful artillery in the game. So what do you do?  Well you certainly don't support the BBs who do push, who do try to cap when  no one else will, nooooo you're content to sit far away and avoid damage while trying vainly to hit targets at maximum range. Then when you see your fellow BB (me) who has managed to take our teams only cap getting hammered, do you help? Nope..you move even farther away fearful that you might get nicked while your team mate sinks and the enemy retakes the cap, only to end up at the end of the game surviving while the enemy wins by points, basically making the entire endeavor pointless. 

[tcbaker777]

you're asking too much of some players if im going to be 100% honest here, theres ALWAYS gonna be those players that refuse to push because they're afraid to get the paint scratched, gives us BB players that actually do our jobs and push a bad name

[The_first_harbinger]

BBs camping? Blame the concealment/HE spam meta.

I do alright in my Iowa, and I can only achieve this for being a GIANT, FU*KING, PUS*Y.

You will never see me closer than 13km away from a capture point.

Why? I don't want to do it! Sniping is boring and I feel like it's a humiliation to me as a bb main!

But I cannot possibly succeed without doing it! My shell takes forever to reach the target, and my only hope of hitting is for the cruisers to not see me coming. If I'm spotted and getting focused at, I burn brighter than a Christmas tree before I got torped into oblivion while forced to reverse and bow tank.

If I camp and stay undetected, my impact on the game sky-rockets. Cruisers are derped out of the water one shot because they don't even know they are being shot at, and I can survive till late game where finally where I can afford to push, when there's less cruisers spamming HE, setting me on fire, keeping me spotted all the time.

OH WAIT, I CAN'T. THERE'S BBS THAT SPAM HE TOO!

[MrDeaf]

The only hard part about BBs is being in a good spot to tank, deal damage and scare off the reds, but also not being in such a position to take focus fire.

Some maps are utterly crapfor this, while other maps are just amazing.

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

11 minutes ago, tcbaker777 said:

you're asking too much of some players if im going to be 100% honest here, theres ALWAYS gonna be those players that refuse to push because they're afraid to get the paint scratched, gives us BB players that actually do our jobs and push a bad name

Don't remind me. They are even worse when they say that us BBs that push are doing it wrong.

[Delicious_Flat_Chest]

Lol im lost.

People say push, people say don't push you are being aggressive, How about people play the game how they want because at the end of the day that's what they are gonna do.

[comtedumas]

33 minutes ago, KalishniKat said:

Arghhh...the BB Babies are really out in force lately. You're in a ship with the most HP in the game AND you have the ability to heal, along with the most powerful artillery in the game. So what do you do?  Well you certainly don't support the BBs who do push, who do try to cap when  no one else will, nooooo you're content to sit far away and avoid damage while trying vainly to hit targets at maximum range. Then when you see your fellow BB (me) who has managed to take our teams only cap getting hammered, do you help? Nope..you move even farther away fearful that you might get nicked while your team mate sinks and the enemy retakes the cap, only to end up at the end of the game surviving while the enemy wins by points, basically making the entire endeavor pointless. 

As soon as they can actually act like a BB and not get deleted I am sure they will.  And until they change the anti-broadside meta they won’t act like BBs.

[khorender_1]

7 minutes ago, comtedumas said:

As soon as they can actually act like a BB and not get deleted I am sure they will.  And until they change the anti-broadside meta they won’t act like BBs.

that doesn't bother me as much as the freaking he spam, I find that most people have a harder time with citadels than they do creating fires

[Madwolf05]

Using DCP and Repair Party properly for BBs is super hard. 

[KnightFandragon]

6 minutes ago, Madwolf05 said:

Using DCP and Repair Party properly for BBs is super hard. 

Umm, yeah, since it can be used 1 time every 2 minutes, while fire, flooding, and all the [edited] that requires it, can happen every few seconds......especially, if your "acting like a battleship" and in the fray.....

My uncle has burnt to the ground so many times its disgusting.  He gets lit the hell up, puts it out and instantly, on fire again....

Ive been burnt down a few times, fire ,fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire.....if your actually fighting, yeah, you get wrecked, and only having DCP/RP every 2 minutes...not enough...

[fbrrhd]

As much as some bbs won't push I have witness far more dd's that won't cap. "I don't have smoke", "this is not a good DD to cap with", "I need more support or I won't cap",(when there was a Bismarck and Des Moines right behind him)..

 

So while the OP has an issue with BB's there are just as many timid DD's.

No one group is blameless for a loss. And it takes the whole team to win!

LUCK with MM and teammates is what happens in WOWS! 

[Madwolf05]

12 minutes ago, KnightFandragon said:

Umm, yeah, since it can be used 1 time every 2 minutes, while fire, flooding, and all the [edited] that requires it, can happen every few seconds......especially, if your "acting like a battleship" and in the fray.....

My uncle has burnt to the ground so many times its disgusting.  He gets lit the hell up, puts it out and instantly, on fire again....

Ive been burnt down a few times, fire ,fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire.....if your actually fighting, yeah, you get wrecked, and only having DCP/RP every 2 minutes...not enough...

 

It's almost like you shouldn't just use DCP on a single fire or something. Or invest in captain skills, Premium (using Credits) Consumables, Captain Skills (Super Intendent), and position.

 

Don't mind me though, I just know what I'm doing. Surely I can't help you.

[NeutralState]

Battle of Leyte Gulf, USN formed 4 lines, first line torpedo boats, second line destroyers, third line cruisers, last line battleships. I say the BBs are acting pretty BB like. On the Japanese side, Soemu Toyoda ordered general attack, and the Japanese fleete lemminged into a bunch of US destroyers and got torped.

 

The problem is not BB stay back, but BBs stay too far back and together with [edited] target priority making their salvos ineffective.

[DOCTOR_CITADEL]

59 minutes ago, The_first_harbinger said:

BBs camping? Blame the concealment/HE spam meta.

I do alright in my Iowa, and I can only achieve this for being a GIANT, FU*KING, PUS*Y.

You will never see me closer than 13km away from a capture point.

Why? I don't want to do it! Sniping is boring and I feel like it's a humiliation to me as a bb main!

But I cannot possibly succeed without doing it! My shell takes forever to reach the target, and my only hope of hitting is for the cruisers to not see me coming. If I'm spotted and getting focused at, I burn brighter than a Christmas tree before I got torped into oblivion while forced to reverse and bow tank.

If I camp and stay undetected, my impact on the game sky-rockets. Cruisers are derped out of the water one shot because they don't even know they are being shot at, and I can survive till late game where finally where I can afford to push, when there's less cruisers spamming HE, setting me on fire, keeping me spotted all the time.

OH WAIT, I CAN'T. THERE'S BBS THAT SPAM HE TOO!

 

If you are being forced to "reverse and bow tank" a lot, you need to rethink your positioning. Parking in a BB, in the open (presumably) and backing up is 9/10 times a terrible idea. It makes you the biggest, slowest, and easiest to hit target around. A true feast for an HE cruiser.

[Crucis]

1 hour ago, KalishniKat said:

Arghhh...the BB Babies are really out in force lately. You're in a ship with the most HP in the game AND you have the ability to heal, along with the most powerful artillery in the game. So what do you do?  Well you certainly don't support the BBs who do push, who do try to cap when  no one else will, nooooo you're content to sit far away and avoid damage while trying vainly to hit targets at maximum range. Then when you see your fellow BB (me) who has managed to take our teams only cap getting hammered, do you help? Nope..you move even farther away fearful that you might get nicked while your team mate sinks and the enemy retakes the cap, only to end up at the end of the game surviving while the enemy wins by points, basically making the entire endeavor pointless. 

Not all BBs are meant to brawl, just as not all BBs are meant to be mid (or long) range snipers.  It annoys me when BB players in brawling BBs rag on BB players in mid range snipers for not following them into a brawl.  Play your own damned ship!

 

[Captain_Rawhide]

I don't think you can just blame BBs for this.  You just can't get a bunch of unrelated players together and expect them to work in a coordinated fashion.  

[HMCS_Devilfish]

Ahoy matiesI'm a Cruiser Skipper .. 4500 game giv er take a hundredand transferred to BBs to sink some of my Cruiser Bros

sometimes in one salvo and there gone,doesn't happen all that often but OMG when it does..

 

Position Position Position is BB play and turning them there guns takes time, and can lead to a... what the hell am I doing over here moment..so buddy up get in close hold and protect yer friendlies... no camper here me Bucko 

do it alone and get possible focus fired.. can you say burn BBaby burn , will be yer fate 

fun times ..like em both , am more bent to towards Cruisers though

and yea won't here no wine-ing  from this old Pirate

[KalishniKat]

1 hour ago, Crucis said:

Not all BBs are meant to brawl, just as not all BBs are meant to be mid (or long) range snipers.  It annoys me when BB players in brawling BBs rag on BB players in mid range snipers for not following them into a brawl.  Play your own damned ship!

 

Asking a Kongo to brawl is one thing..asking a Kongo to close within 15k is another. Same with Fuso, though I've seen Bayern's camping and they're tough as nails. There's this pattern even reaching to lower tiers where the BBs pull up, put it in reverse and slowly back away while firing their front guns..kind of hard to close on an objective that way.  Ya know..just like the real BBs did in the war, and like real cruisers who despite their speed, hid behind islands and peeped out to shoot...like that ever happened. I know the game is not reality based but these tactics are so...world of tanks.

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

It's risk-aversion, and it's on WG to design their game in such a way that people are willing to take more risks.

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

I'll have to agree 100% with K.Kat. In my last game tonight I was getting so frustrated I did something I seldom do and typed into chat, "Common BBs get in the game". When a tiny little Isokaze can out score T4&5 BBs in both kills and damage to end on top of the leader board then somethings not right.

When I'm driving a BB and announce in chat that I'll be supporting a ship or taking of a cap it's always appreciated. There really is no reason other than a players fear(of what???) for not using a BB the way they were intended to be used.

There are names of many famous ships in this game and the way they often get used does them dishonor.

[Dareios]

one problem, with pushing early as a BB, is that you may be able to influence or even dominate (for example) the A cap you are pushing into, but unless the other half of the team is also being proactive, then your ability to tank-dodge-burn is trumped by being broadsided by the enemy BBs in Cap C 20km away. Pushing too early is a death sentence unless your team is united in one side or can control flanking fire.

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

5 minutes ago, Dareios said:

one problem, with pushing early as a BB, is that you may be able to influence or even dominate (for example) the A cap you are pushing into, but unless the other half of the team is also being proactive, then your ability to tank-dodge-burn is trumped by being broadsided by the enemy BBs in Cap C 20km away. Pushing too early is a death sentence unless your team is united in one side or can control flanking fire.

Then don't push early...wait until the time is right...in the mean time a BB should be positioning itself to support the ships whose job it is to push early. Those big guns are there for a reason and they are more useful at mid to close range then they are at long range.

[Crucis]

1 hour ago, KalishniKat said:

Asking a Kongo to brawl is one thing..asking a Kongo to close within 15k is another. Same with Fuso, though I've seen Bayern's camping and they're tough as nails. There's this pattern even reaching to lower tiers where the BBs pull up, put it in reverse and slowly back away while firing their front guns..kind of hard to close on an objective that way.  Ya know..just like the real BBs did in the war, and like real cruisers who despite their speed, hid behind islands and peeped out to shoot...like that ever happened. I know the game is not reality based but these tactics are so...world of tanks.

Real ships didn't fight in areas choked with islands, like WoWS maps.  They fought in open water.  Even the location of the Battle of Surigao Strait would have fit onto the Ocean map.

 

Also, IIRC, the real objective of most (though not all) naval engagements was to force the enemy to engage so that you could sink, or at least heavily damage their ships (thus making them combat ineffective for many months).  This was usually done by threatening something that you felt the enemy had to defend.  Surigao Strait didn't fit this mold.  But then again, it wasn't far off.  The US was invading the Philippines, held by the Japanese.  And the IJN was desperately trying to stop that invasion.  The US fleet didn't really have to close on the enemy.  It could wait for the IJN to come to them, since the US obviously knew where the IJN's objective, i.e. the landing beaches and all the support and troop ships, would be.

 

But you are very correct about the tactics in WoWS being so much like WoT.  Honestly, I find it disgusting.

 

[Magic_Fighting_Tuna]

1 hour ago, CrazyHorse_Denver said:

Then don't push early...wait until the time is right...in the mean time a BB should be positioning itself to support the ships whose job it is to push early. Those big guns are there for a reason and they are more useful at mid to close range then they are at long range.

Alas but here is where run into problems, everyone wants you to push now!!!! not later when the time is right, now!!! Also your doing wrong if the battleships are providing fire support, their supposed to be up front tanking(as I chuckle sarcastically). This is where the real problem is, stratagey, caution and patience are frowned apon because your not charging in with guns ablazing.

[Crucis]

2 minutes ago, Magic_Fighting_Tuna said:

Alas but here is where run into problems, everyone wants you to push now!!!! not later when the time is right, now!!! Also your doing wrong if the battleships are providing fire support, their supposed to be up front tanking(as I chuckle sarcastically)

100% agree.  The problem is that the "push now" crowd are hyper aggressive players who think that they're god's gift to WoWS and will rag on anyone who doesn't charge into the enemy's guns like a naval version of the Charge of the Light Brigade.