More invisible close in enemy ships.

[abyssofthetriffid]

Got detected by a belfast then a radar and then died.

 

The enemy ship is right in front of my bow can you see it?

 

I couldnt see it its next to my ship.

 

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[Cpt_RickSchwifty]

If the enemy ship is right in front of your bow, it would help to see it, if you were not looking aft.....the only ship in front of your bow appears to be a friendly DD.

[abyssofthetriffid]

3 minutes ago, Cpt_RickSchwifty said:

If the enemy ship is right in front of your bow, it would help to see it, if you were not looking aft.....the only ship in front of your bow appears to be a friendly DD.

It was actually the edinburgh right in front of my bow hes there i cant see him at all and never did.

[RipNuN2]

Do you have a replay?

[vak_]

10 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

Got detected by a belfast then a radar and then died.

 

The enemy ship is right in front of my bow can you see it?

 

I couldnt see it its next to my ship.

 

http://

 

The screenshot doesn't clarify anything. I'd guess that the enemy RN cruiser was sitting in smoke; he detected you with radar/hydro, and killed you while remaining hidden himself. 

[Cpt_RickSchwifty]

Ok so you say you got radar'd by a Belfast, but it was an Edinburgh in front of you, yet you posted a screen shot looking behind you.

 

 

Bro.....what kind of mystery are you wanting us to help you solve here. 

 

[jason199506]

your detected sign doesnt say radar...

my guess is a ship with detection mod in its 6th slot is sitting between 2 to 3 km away from you

[abyssofthetriffid]

9 minutes ago, Cpt_RickSchwifty said:

Ok so you say you got radar'd by a Belfast, but it was an Edinburgh in front of you, yet you posted a screen shot looking behind you.

 

 

Bro.....what kind of mystery are you wanting us to help you solve here. 

 

Please just give it a rest thanks.

[abyssofthetriffid]

10 minutes ago, vak_ said:

 

The screenshot doesn't clarify anything. I'd guess that the enemy RN cruiser was sitting in smoke; he detected you with radar/hydro, and killed you while remaining hidden himself. 

The smoke was my friendly dd the enemy ship is in front of my bow.

 

Not belfast was edinburgh.

[Final_Spark]

Detection here works similar to WoT; vehicles have areas that spot and areas that get the vehicle detected. To actually detect a ship, there needs to be a clear, unbroken line between your spotting point and a detection point on the enemy ship.

 

I think in an island corner situation the easiest detection point is the main mast. Keep in mind your most forward spotting point isn't the tip of your bow. Now, the Edinburgh couldn't spot you either, but you say something radared you, which is an automatic detection. This means the Edinburgh could see you and shoot you if your bow was forward enough and he could sneak the rounds over the rocks. Since there's an island in the way of your spotting point, you couldn't see him.

[m373x]

On todays episode of "I don't have a replay but here is what happened"...

[Cpt_RickSchwifty]

We have no clue what could be happening, his friendly DD is in his own smoke and providing no vision, there is clearly some smoke to his aft within line of sight of that island that is not his teams smoke and his gun bloom is maxed out.

 

There could be an enemy DD spotting him for all we know, he has no LOS due to the island, no friendly spotting, is exposed to the  side of the map with smoke blooms that are clearly not his allies. There could literally be any number of enemy ships spotting him. Factor in the second or two of delay that it takes to drop your detection when the enemy losses LOS and we have quite the shenanigans to sort out here...

 

 

[dionkraft]

The evidence presented does not add any points to your argument.  You should make REPLAY enables to that you can study for yourself what happend exactly before putting up a thread thats more a mystery than 

an analysis of the battle you were in.  You will be surprised how you might change your mind after looking at the replay.

[vak_]

10 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

The smoke was my friendly dd the enemy ship is in front of my bow.

 

Not belfast was edinburgh.

 

I see that from a minimap. The enemy cruiser might have been in another smoke not visible on the screenshot, or maybe even just behind terrain where he could fire at you, but remain hidden. Either way, it's most likely working as intended, and not a bug.

[Fiona_Marshe]

Minimum detection range is "instant spotted", even through islands. Means the other ship had vision mod of some sort (captain skill or module).

 

This why radar and sonar see through island  same code.

[Eichbomb]

14 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

The smoke was my friendly dd the enemy ship is in front of my bow.

 

Not belfast was edinburgh.

And we still don't have a screenshot looking forward, just aft. Your claims make no sense.

[vak_]

OP, a little protip: enable the last seen location for enemy ships on the minimap. It'll help you with situational awareness. 

[Doomlock]

37 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

Got detected by a belfast then a radar and then died.

 

The enemy ship is right in front of my bow can you see it?

 

I couldnt see it its next to my ship.

 

http://

 

First off, going off of below, it was Edinburgh not Belfast, so, there is no Radar because any Edin worth his salt is taking smoke.

 

32 minutes ago, abyssofthetriffid said:

It was actually the edinburgh right in front of my bow hes there i cant see him at all and never did.

 

Secondly, Edin has a much smaller surface detection, he can be inside your detection range and still be unspotted. 

 

Thirdly, if it was radar, then you would be able to tell by the icon for when you are detected.

 

And finally, there is either a destroyer or another cruiser there that you cannot see. Someone is spotting you from a different angle for the Edin to shoot you.

[dionkraft]

There have been some times the player did not see the enemy and was puzzled they got sunk and had a replay. Some have uploaded the replay and ended up that an enemy ship was near but the player did not detect it but the replay did show it when I replayed it back. Conclusion. Sometimes the enemy ship may not appear on one computer but does on another. Is it a situation of the difference of graphic cards and their resolution?  I'm guessing it probably is.  But these cases are rare and not a constant complaint as far as I know.  Just some info for you

[Sovereigndawg]

If a ship is off your bow, you have to actually look at the bow view to see it.

[Doomlock]

11 minutes ago, Eichbomb said:

And we still don't have a screenshot looking forward, just aft. Your claims make no sense.

No the screenshot is looking forward, that is the bow in the shot. Look at the plane and funnel caps.

 

Plus, look at the minimap.

[Doomlock]

2 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

If a ship is off your bow, you have to actually look at the bow view to see it.

Post above me.

[Sovereigndawg]

4 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

Post above me.

Ah yes your right,  I would say there is a DD around d4 doing the spotting.

[Soshi_Sone]

5 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

Ah yes your right,  I would say there is a DD around d4 doing the spotting.

 

The DD spot is more likely.

 

There could also be a ship with TASM1 on the other side of the adjacent land mass to the right, within the assured acq range due to TASM1 but beyond the assured acq range of the OP's ship without TASM1.

 

Regardless of how the spot is achieved, the attacking ship does not need LOS, only a line of fire (LOF).  If he has a LOF outside OPs LOS, then the shells will appear to be coming from an invisible ship. And....technically speaking...they are.  That's how spotting, LOS, and LOF work.

[AirshipCanon]

God the Duke looks bad.

People, he IS looking forward. Look at the Minimap.
His cone [and thus view angle] is starboard forward.

There's also Anchor chains visible on the ship... in the direction he's viewing. Yes,the Duke's a buttface since the bow looks like the stern, but it's still visually discernable.

 

Anyways, you've got an island there and team detection works in wonderful ways. You do not have LoS on the enemy vessel. They have LoS on you and are lit by normal detection.