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So my 3rd match with her going into late game.

Solo warrior chance.

4 ships closing in on me.

No heals left.

Under 30k health.

3km away a half heath battleship is nose on to me, we are closing. 

 

I rember that I have torpedos.

Yup you guessed it, I turn to use them and take 3 citadels .

 

Don't ever do it, they are a death trap.

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hah, sounds like you were toast anyway.  Torps are an afterthought on all non-DD IJN except the Atago.  I am enjoying the ship for quite a few battles, don't remember connecting any torps yet - but I've fired a few.  They do their job, just like other secondary armaments.

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Just what Miss Mouse said in her review.

 

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Funny, I don't have that problem.

 

Oh, wait, right, I don't turn to drop torps when there's a BB waiting to eat my lunch for me.

 

100% operator error. Kii's torps are situational, you obviously chose the wrong situation. So, please don't tell people to not use all her weapons, just because you didn't use them correctly.

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Use the torps on the pass, not on the clinch and you'll be a lot more successful using the torps.

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You CAN NOT brawl with Kii.  The Kii to victory is staying at mid-long range and using your accurate guns to punish the enemy.

The job of brawling is meant for the better protected USN and KMS ships. At least...that's how it's meant to be.

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3 minutes ago, KongouIsBestShip said:

You CAN NOT brawl with Kii.  The Kii to victory is staying at mid-long range and using your accurate guns to punish the enemy.

The job of brawling is meant for the better protected USN and KMS ships. At least...that's how it's meant to be.

Nah.  Kii can brawl if she has to, it's not her optimal primary focus, but neither is long range.  Until you're in the red and need to heal, a BB better not sail away long range.

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If the torp arcs are anything like most IJN cruisers, then it seems like the Kii's torps would be best used in a stern chase, when you're the one being chased.

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2 minutes ago, Crucis said:

If the torp arcs are anything like most IJN cruisers, then it seems like the Kii's torps would be best used in a stern chase, when you're the one being chased.

They are like Graf Spee's angles.

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The kii torps are only used for those "oh sh*t!* moments when you're caught in a brawl and are about to pass each other. They should never be used offensively the same way you do with the Tirpitz.

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22 hours ago, pmgaudio said:

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PRICELESS...!  lmbo...!!!  But hey, I only picked up the ship with the port slot, did not go for all the bells and whistles on this one...

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On 9/24/2017 at 8:49 PM, mohawkdriver said:

I like my Kii.  It's a good ship.  Wish it were faster, but...

Speed flags my friend.

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So here is Kii vs Amagi. The following screen shots will show all of you why Kii is junk.

Start with the Kii, a BATTLESHIP.

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Here is the armor profile. On the surface the Kii sacrifices torpedo protection for better belt armor.

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Kii has an additional deck of armor but when armor is split up it makes it easier to penetrate.

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Still showing the armored belt, 95mm of deck armor is still pretty good, right? Not so much.shot-17_09.29_18_16.19-0744.thumb.jpg.296da35741bebc20eb5e70297f480562.jpg

Citadel top is a measly 22mm. Do the math, 22 + 95 + 32 is 147mm of combined deck armor. Kii also suffers from poor athwart ships protection both bow and stern which is 73mm. She cannot bow tank or take any amount of plunging fire.

Now Amagi, a BATTLECRUISER

Amagi showing all armor.

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Amagi is not a bow tank either but in the next two pictures, you will see why she has a reputation for being an armor troll.

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Citadel deck is a robust 70mm compared to Kii's 22mm. Amagi does not have a middle deck and instead concentrates her armor layout in two sections instead of three. Total deck protection is 102mm combined which is less but because the second line of defense is thicker means less get through. 70km on the citadel deck armor is more preferable to a three level combination armor spacing. The athwart-ships is thicker at 229mm which means that while Amagi is citadelled, not nearly does she take easy, high damage rolls like the BATTLESHIP Kii.

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Wargaming has sold us a pathetic, gimmicky ship that has torpedoes, but cannot brawl. Has guns that are shorter range AND has looser groupings so damage potential is actually LESS than the Amagi. An AA suite that is .02 better on average than Amagi, being rated at a 95 is pathetic when Amagi is rated at 77 in AA and yet they mirror each other in performance. Secondaries are a joke. Speed is decent and turning is the same as Amagi. Amagi has killer secondaries, can shoot too RANGE and hit consistently. Shell grouping is tighter, armor is BETTER and does not NEED torpedoes to be a quasi threat.

In retrospect, BB Kii is simply a Nagato with an extra turret and 4k more health. She is in actuality a Tier 7 BB shoehorned into a Tier 8 spot on the Tech Tree where she does not belong. Kii is SUPPOSED to be a Tier 9 that was modified to be a Tier 8. Sadly the armor stats, gun reload, range and sigma all suggest otherwise.

Do NOT buy the Kii, She is no Amagi in anyway shape or form except for outer appearances and that is barely the case. I bought the Kii hoping for a BETTER Amagi that can brawl and torp and be fun. Instead her guns feel like a limp d.i.c.k. heavy on the sauce and fortitude that would make the cheapest hooker look good, aka that hooker would be harder to disrobe than the Kii.

Wargaming, either fix this tub of crap or give me my money back. This is the worst Tier 8 BB to come to market and of course, because Russian's still hate the Japanese, you put to market a ship that has no business being in anything higher than a Tier 8 match and a ranking of Tier 7.

Thank you.

Here are my suggestions for making the Kii better. One; do away with the current armor layout and re use Amagi layout and beef it up. Two, give the guns a sigma of 1.8 MINIMUM and extend range to 20.5 km. Nagato has that range why can't the Kii? The Kii is SUPPOSED to be a BATTLESHIP, not an over glorified Heavy Cruiser. That is what the AMAGI is supposed to be but in reality, the Amagi is the true battleship between the two.

God Bless and please do what is right by your customers.

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So please fix the Kii ,It could be a very good boat . If the stock Aamagi is 3 times better then guys you need to fix something . 2ndary could be very good but they have no range . can't go toe to toe with other BB cause they take dam alot better then Kii can , I find even when i hit other bb with AP broadside NO citadel ,,,,Amagi would citadel that set up easy but some reason Kii  wont .So please fix the many problems with this boat ..(cut and paste Amagi in kii place) or give us the option to sell the ship back for doubloons . Like the Belfast

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Played my Kii again and im really growing to hate that boat...Cant take a hit ,Has 202m dispersion and still hitting on both side of my targets when i do hit with AP doz almost no Dam 1200, HE doz about 2 to 4k a hit ,,,when it hits . You can't brawl other bb 's cause you cant tank dam in it. The Amagi is such a good boat how did the Kii turn out so bad???. Seems like it needs alot of work to fix it ,or just give us a faster Amagi with torps boom done great ship, easy fix. OR GIVE US OUR doubloons BACK FOR SELLING IT AND I'LL BUY A TIRPIZ .....

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Have a good idea ....Let us sale the Kii back for doubloons ,,, So i can buy a Tirpiz . Better than everyone who's buy's it getting mad at the game ..

 

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8 hours ago, War182 said:

Have a good idea ....Let us sale the Kii back for doubloons ,,, So i can buy a Tirpiz . Better than everyone who's buy's it getting mad at the game ..

 

He'll no, nothing's changed.  Kii is fantastic, even up-tiered it serves a function. Love this ship with 19 point Yamamoto making it happem. 

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Looking at that Kii-Amagi comparison post, I suddenly realize another thing that bugs me about this fantasy refit Kii: it keeps the double-trunked funnels the stock Amagi had, but the fantasy refit Amagi has a proper modernized funnel while Kii doesn't.  It looks bizarre.

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Personally, it's her turret models that bug me. They have the armor values of Nagato and Amagi's upgraded turrets, but they have the armor model and tiny rangefinders of Mutsu's turrets. I have a hard time believing that the IJN would revert to tiny rangefinders and sighting hoods on the turrets when they made a clear choice to go for huge rangefinders and side-mounted sighting ports as seen on the upgraded turrets made for Tosa and Kaga, as used on Nagato and Mutsu IRL. I also find it hard to believe they'd find room for all that extra armor and not have to resort to added external plates also as seen on Nagato and Amagi in game. You kind of need a certain amount of internal volume to work the guns in those turrets and the Tosa turrets had more internal room than Nagato's original turrets as seen in game on Mutsu. Really the only game play aspect of Kii that I have issues with is her sigma value which leads to her often scatter shot dispersion. I admit that I run her as full AA build, so I accept that I'm trading some accuracy by not having the -7% dispersion upgrade, but I get more consistently accurate long range performance out of my Tirpitz and Bismarck than my Kii, which bugs me. Kii for me has been on par with Gneisenau, they both scatter shots everywhere, but I do usually manage decent damage totals simply by volume of fire and occasional torpedo use (and Gneis is working on a secondary build, but her Capt isn't up to 14 points yet, so no manual secondaries yet). The trouble is, I can do far more with Amagi using main guns alone, than Kii can do with everything in her arsenal in use. I still like her for the most part, but every so often I have to switch to Nagato or Amagi to remember what accuracy looks like.

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Kii it self is a trap, a unneeded gimmick ship. Kii Trades the best thing about Amagi (tank and gun stats) for situational gimmicks (AA and nearly useless torps). Kii trades too much for nothing really good in return.

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So Far i find this ship to be a total waste of time, Glad I didn't put full price into it. Came in a christmas box package. This ship can not hit the broadside of a barn with the guns in the barn, If I get over 50K damage i am shocked. IF I hit something 10 to 15 K out I am shocked . overall wargaming suckerd everyone into buying the worse ship they ever put out. Maybe someday they will fix the sigma to where this ship is competitive! doubt it.

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