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Shoot down 56 planes, get Clear Sky, and people STILL whine about your air coverage!

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*mumble *mumble Enemy CV was still third on his team with at least one kill *mumble.

It is a lot easier to get plane kills after strikes have been carried out *mumble.

That said, your point still stands.

 

 

*mumble *mumble

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8 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

Slacker.

Agreed.

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Well it must've been because, with all those plane kills (against a reportedly inferior CV), you only got one ship? That lack of selflessness must've caused the ruckus...

 

Great job IMHO, though. Congrats.

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18 minutes ago, senseNOTmade said:

*mumble *mumble Enemy CV was still third on his team with at least one kill *mumble.

It is a lot easier to get plane kills after strikes have been carried out *mumble.

That said, your point still stands.

 

 

*mumble *mumble

Was going to say something similar adding "Some bombers always get through".

 

While I don't expect Haze of doing it there are some really bad AS Lexingtons out there. Which places a negative bias to those who see a Lexington on their team.

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40 minutes ago, Khafni said:

Well it must've been because, with all those plane kills (against a reportedly inferior CV), you only got one ship? That lack of selflessness must've caused the ruckus...

 

Great job IMHO, though. Congrats.

Some people expect CV players to do everything, INCLUDING washing the kitchen sink.  "Why haven't you shot down 100 planes, done 300k damage, and killed 10 ships?  You must suck!!!" (Yes, that's sarcasm.)  

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10 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

Was going to say something similar adding "Some bombers always get through".

 

While I don't expect Haze of doing it there are some really bad AS Lexingtons out there. Which places a negative bias to those who see a Lexington on their team.

Don't tell anyone this , but I do sometimes wait for the moment just after the enemy planes have dropped their torps to do my strafe, because I know they will all head in the same direction afterwards. Especially if we're winning, and I want to score damage on the last few remaining ships.

 

While there are many bad AS Lex players, I have also recently met a quite good one (he traded planes about equally with me in my Shokaku). Because I am currently grinding tier 8 I think we met several times, and he always managed to make life difficult for me. But the fundamental flaw with the AS loadout on the Lex is that you are simply incapable of providing continuous air cover due to the long rearm times. So even though I rarely won our fighter duels outright, there were always these gaps in which his planes were back on their flightdeck when I could do my strikes. He did an excellent job cycling his squadrons, but towards the end of a match his organization would always be in the stages of breaking down.

 

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I really sucks when you complain and the the team wins. That's why I just wish them GL sometimes with a bit of what you might call insight. I try not to single any one out ever. I don't really hate eating my words, but I prefer not to. If you don't have anything good to say it seems you can say it on the internet, I however, refrain, most of the time.

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I like how he complained AFTER you got the clear sky.....  It takes a special person to do that

 

 

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Man, I have been there. It is annoying.

Sometimes, my first instinct is drop on the green team too but shot down that many is demanding and exhausting. No extra fuel for waste on the idiots in the chat

Achieving that award specially in T8 where there are around 80 planes involved, is special. Congrats.

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Nice job mate.  :Smile_medal:.  CV play is a hard life.... far worse than DD play for volumes of salt dumped on you.  

 

If I take out my Bogue, I do it it with the 2/1/0 load out.  I rarely do much damage (thank you RNGesus:Smile_sceptic:), but I do (usually) keep the skies clear.  Since killing planes doesn't result in many rewards, its a thankless job... but I really only do it for the flags to use on my gunships.

 

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5 hours ago, Camo68 said:

I like how he complained AFTER you got the clear sky.....  It takes a special person to do that

 

 

 

Earlier I did have a fighter over that Cruiser of ours and helped defend him from DB attacks.  I also had another by our BB but arrived kind of late.  He got upset after I pulled my fighter off of him (the cruiser) because I went to push my fighters towards the Graf Zeppelin.  It was more aggressive move to make but sure bet to contain the CV, given team compositions and locations which you can tell from the screenshot.  Basically he wanted me to camp my fighters as escort over him.  Aggressive action would keep the bombers away better, as well as keep the fighters within easy support of both of our ships in different locations.  GZ was screwed by 2 incoming ships, pinned against the map edge, and fighters posted nearby.

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I am not trying to be mean, nor am I trying to say you (or anyone) in particular has "edited" up but the sad truth is that yes, you can get a clear sky and fail at your job as a CV. For example, if you strafe after the load has been dropped and your teamate is dead because of it to a degree it is your fault. Its also their fault for not being smart and staying near AA.... But every kill an eneny CV gets can be blamed on you, and as a CV player you should expect this to happen. Don't come away from a clear sky game thinking you are gods gift to your team unless you also prevented the enemy CV from getting a kill.

 

That being said... is it hard to do? Yes. So you really shouldnt get b****ed out for failing to stop one strike, but you should want to try harder to defend your team.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ascinius said:

That being said... is it hard to do? Yes. So you really shouldnt get b****ed out for failing to stop one strike, but you should want to try harder to defend your team.

 

very true.

The most useful intercepts are before the enemy tbs/dbs drop their munitions. If you strafe and kill all their dbs/tbs after they make a successful drop, you help the enemy, rather than hinder them. Because it usually means they can rearm and takeoff faster. So if you do atack enemy dbs and tbs after they drop, make sure to leave one or two planes alive. This will slow down their rearm/takeoff time.

In short, sometimes it helps your team more to allow enemy planes to escape bacl to their carrier. Ofc, ignore chat, not everybody in game will understand this.

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4 hours ago, Ascinius said:

I am not trying to be mean, nor am I trying to say you (or anyone) in particular has "edited" up but the sad truth is that yes, you can get a clear sky and fail at your job as a CV. For example, if you strafe after the load has been dropped and your teamate is dead because of it to a degree it is your fault. Its also their fault for not being smart and staying near AA.... But every kill an eneny CV gets can be blamed on you, and as a CV player you should expect this to happen. Don't come away from a clear sky game thinking you are gods gift to your team unless you also prevented the enemy CV from getting a kill.

 

That being said... is it hard to do? Yes. So you really shouldnt get b****ed out for failing to stop one strike, but you should want to try harder to defend your team.

 

 

1 hour ago, nuttybiscuit said:

very true.

The most useful intercepts are before the enemy tbs/dbs drop their munitions. If you strafe and kill all their dbs/tbs after they make a successful drop, you help the enemy, rather than hinder them. Because it usually means they can rearm and takeoff faster. So if you do atack enemy dbs and tbs after they drop, make sure to leave one or two planes alive. This will slow down their rearm/takeoff time.

In short, sometimes it helps your team more to allow enemy planes to escape bacl to their carrier. Ofc, ignore chat, not everybody in game will understand this.

 

Here is a simple truth.

 

The bombers always get through somewhere.

 

Even an AS CV like AS Lexington, Ranger, Hiryu, Shokaku, planes have to rotate in servicing, losses, etc.  Sometimes the team really needs DDs spotted instead of air coverage, so those fighters are getting shifted out elsewhere.  The team splinters into more, smaller groups, as well as individual loners.  As time goes on, it becomes impossible to defend most of the team with an AS CV due to that splintering.  It is a matter of prioritizing which groups are the most important to protect.  I'm sorry if one is stupid enough to sail solo in a CV match, I can't help you, I need to defend this more important group here.  And even then, planes need servicing, planes are lost, and there will be gaps.

 

The real duty of the AS CV is mitigating the effects of the other CV.  Unless the other CV is an absolute, incompetent @ss, a decent CV will always get strikes in somewhere, sometime.

 

If a CV gets Clear Sky, they've done their job.  They inflicted horrific losses on the enemy CV on their attempts to attack and harass your team.  If a CV gets Clear Sky on someone, that means the opposing CV is pretty much run out of planes due to my fighter coverage, and that means he's sending depleted bomber groups or has completely run out of planes sooner than he would have liked.

 

If you expect 100% coverage, you've never played a CV before.

 

So yes, like the guy in my screenshot complaining about my Clear Sky and 56 planes shot down from a CV that has a max of 72 planes (the same capacity for Lexi, Shokaku, Graf), the depleted enemy bombers at endgame... I'd say it's pretty d@mn unreasonable to complain about my air coverage.  I shot down so many aircraft that the Graf Zeppelin could not have its way with my team, and you guys demand more?

 

Seriously???

 

That is the EXACT reasoning why I made this thread :Smile_teethhappy:

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Yes, it is unreasonable to expect 100% perfect coverage, yes for the most part it is not the CV's responsibility to stop friendly ships to move out on thier own where they become vulnerable, and yes it is important to scout enemy forces.

 

But its possible if not easy to predict where the enemy CV is going to strike and mitigate if not eliminate that strike. Im not trying to say its easy or that I am myself perfect at doing this. It is hard, and even harder when the enemy knows what he is doing. This is the challenge that you accept when you play CV. 

 

Beyond that, if you can strike and eliminate more ships than the enemy CV that is the better measure of success over simply how many planes you have shot down. For example, its possible to get a kraken and loose all of your planes by the end of the game.

 

Im not trying to attack you or say you are a bad player, im just saying that a clear sky is sadly not the complete measure of success in battle. If however, you get a kraken and a clear sky.... its pretty clear you carried the game ;)

 

Bottom line is CV is a demanding job and is very often thankless; as you poonted out it is far more likely to be berrated than praised. Keep up the good fight! 

 

Edited PS: The most important thing you can do is be critical of yourself and figure out what you could have done to be more successful, hoe you could have disgraced the enemy team more, where you could have lost less planes or killed more.

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In addition to the geological re-arm times for US planes especially fighters, they have to fly further too because the concealment (meaning detectability range by sea, detectability range by air) are so unbelievably bad on US CV compared to IJN CV. It makes some sense with Lex because its a huge converted ship but explain to me Independence vs. Double-Decker Ryujo being more stealthy. National flavor? LOL

 

The same thing happened to me in Ranger just the other day, Clear Sky, 63 plane kills, this cv is crap, please report him, okay reported.

 

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