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I love my IJN Fleet and was thinking of adding the Kaga to it.  I looked at the Saipan also to compare and was shocked!  I simply have a question, can the Kaga hold her own against the almost double damage that the Saipan's planes can do?  I know the Kaga carries a lot more planes then the Saipan but I have seen the US planes just eat them like nothing...which I find offensive (BIAS!)

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Why not both?  Honest opinion, in seasoned hands a kaga can run circles around the saipan.  You just need to know what you are doing to be able to outplay it.  Look at it as if saipan is strike thats only 2 fighters to worry about and if it is AS then he wont be able to do much in terms of damage to allied ships.  Best thing to do is bait his planes into friendly AA and lock him up for a straff.

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1 minute ago, Icecaptain said:

 Best thing to do is bait his planes into friendly AA and lock him up for a straff.

if it is tier 7 match, nothing but atlanta can do any meaningful damage to saipan planes. strafe of tier 6 kaga's planes is a waste for time. 

 

Saipan hands down. Probably the most OP CV in the game

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They are definitely a study in contrasts, Kaga and Saipan...one is smaller, carries fewer planes that are stronger and deal more damage, while the other is huge, and carries many planes that are really weak and do average damage. I would guess that the deciding factor would be how good you are at multitasking—how well are you able to manage multiple squadrons, and how well can you set up effective cross-drops?

If you are comfortable using the larger number of weaker squadrons, and/or love to have epic striking power at your fingertips, then go Kaga. If you love being "that guy" who loves air superiority and/or can get the job done without losing many planes, go Saipan.

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Saipan isn't as OP as you think.  Its striking power isn't as good as Kaga.  You can strafe the Saipans fighters easily enough.  There is a reason why I said in good hands a Kaga will ruin the Saipan.

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Reasons for Premium ships:

-Non-grind 'fun' play.

-Retraining captains - have full functionality while retraining

-Special Functions.

If you are grinding the lines and need a retrainer - there's one reason.

Also note the Kaga can stand toe-to toe with the Iowa as far as secondary fire is concerned.  Saipan must rely on escorts.

Also note that with Dogfighting captain skill, the Kaga will wipe the floor vs the Saipan fighters since we're talking +30% DPS per fighter plane.  AND the Kaga has more planes.

And yes, I have both.  The Kaga is more fun.

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Kaga can definitely stand her ground in a dogfight but it is unlikely she'll win control of the skies in the long run but that's okay you cause you get to sink ships left an right unlike the saipan, so dog fighting is just the icing on the "make saipan suffer while I sink your team cake."

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I have both and I don't play CVs that much (potato). I prefer Kaga because you can get higher dmg with her. =)

Since I like to get 100k+ dmg (and still rekt enemy planes), I enjoy playing her more.

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A Saipan is an "easier" ship to play because you can choose when and where to strike.  

That said, I didn't get her because I love the IJN line and these was where I like to play and needed the trainer.  My Shokaku 19 point captain lives there and the premium captain points just acrue. 


You have enough fighters to tie up the Saipan to make your strikes and occasionally enjoy schooling a new Saipan captain.


Her Alpha strike can bring a T8/9 BB (not to mention strike Ranger) to it's knees.

 

 

Buy the Kaga, you won't regret it.

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Saipan has a lower skill floor than Kaga (it is easier to pick up), if that is a factor for you at all. They are both extremely powerful ships when they are well handled.

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Thank you so much for your input, I am leaning towards the Kaga now...just worried a bit about my CV skills.

As every now and then when I play my Japanese CVs against US CVs, I feel like this...

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16 minutes ago, AdmiralPiett said:

Saipan has a lower skill floor than Kaga (it is easier to pick up), if that is a factor for you at all. They are both extremely powerful ships when they are well handled.

Weird I've never heard anyone say that before.

I was just about to say the exact opposite actually. I'm pretty bad at carriers. Waaaaaaaaaay back in the days when the game first came out, I was decent at them. Like, unless the enemy team had a real carrier ace, I always had potential to do a good job, but as the ships changed I played them less and have become pretty bad at them. In particular I'm very bad with fighters. Fighter gameplay has really changed a lot, and I've just never adapted to it really. That said, I find it a lot easier to contribute to a match in Kaga than I do in Saipan. Most of the freak power of Saipan is in her fighters, which I criminally under-utilize. Kaga is basically just about loading up a massive haymaker punch and throwing it as many times as you can until the game either ends or you run out of planes. Her fighters are just meat shields that you throw at your enemy as a speed bump 3 times to let you land 3 certain full strikes. I find that a lot easier to do than to do the more complex, faster paced work of the Saipans fighters and TBs, and I can get away with it against a wider range of players than I can with Saipan. Also if I don't like the other carrier matchup with Kaga, I can always be a scumbag and go for the snipe.

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29 minutes ago, Citrusss said:

if it is tier 7 match, nothing but atlanta can do any meaningful damage to saipan planes. strafe of tier 6 kaga's planes is a waste for time. 

 

Saipan hands down. Probably the most OP CV in the game

 

AA build Cleveland can still devastate them once it uses the DF consumable, as can Hood when DB's go to attack it.

 

If you know how to strafe well, Saipan's tier advantage is severely reduced. And actually, if you encounter the rare Saipan that doesn't have AS skill, while you have a full fighter build with the DFE skill, you can actually pretty much match match he Saipan planes in a point and click battle. Otherwise, Strafe and using friendly AA are the only ways you beat that. Similar struggle against Hiryu and of course Ranger fighters. However, strike potential is amazing, I don't use the broken manual drops, I set up an attack that was carried out while my game booted me to login and while I lost all the planes (as it booted be enemy fighters showed up to intercept and 2 cruiser suddenly appeared on map), I came back to 55k damage and a deleted Kongo. It hits hard when you get an enemy that can't shoot the planes down on it's own or isn't good enough at dodging to minimize the damage or avoid it all together. The Kaga is good and usuable, it's just the kind of ship the skill gap can be a major issue.

 

On which note @Captain_Dorja , It's a lower skill ceiling in that, only Ranger, when set up right, poses a threat to it's fighters in point and click, and the auto drop and manual drop on DB's are the same basically, and they can devastate a tier 5 DD pretty easy. TB's again, you can set them auto and cross like IJN or manual. Strafe ability and manual drop make it that much better, but it's a ship that honestly doesn't NEED those skills to fight the others on even terms. THAT, is why people say it has a lower skill floor. Really the only one that can succeed with the same knowledge you get at tier 4-5. Conversely, the other 3 at that tier, IJN CV's because fighter balance is screwed up HAVE to use strafe, and Ranger has a good chance of needing it against Saipan. As well as that while the TB's may be a bit more susceptible, Saipan DB's in particular can fly into AA and survive better than the tier 7 planes against the same boats, as well as the other tiers higher, making target selection and AA avoidance less of an issue and thing to worry about.

 

If your not good with CV's or at least the fighter end, yeah, it can seem like it requires more skill, I encountered a noobie Saipan, no AS, in my Kaga which has my Hiryu captain skilled and all so as to better fight Saipan. I just walked all over him and the only reason I didn't simply obliterate his team is they did the smart thing most people still crying about AA needing a buff, when it needs nerfs, refuse to do and work together staying close enough AA overlapped and shredded planes if they got close. Saipan the ship, it's noob friendly. Thing is Strafe as it is and the rest is why CV's have a major skill gap between players that honestly, does need to be addressed.

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Kaga strikes harder, it has an op level of strike.  Buuuut, the Saipan will shut down the Kaga strike while still getting torps of its own in.

 

Kaga is more OP, but Saipan wins head to head nearly every time.   Saipan is more AS even in the strike package, but less strike.  It's also easier to use since the aircraft are faster.  They also require good use of strafes, which takes more skill than the Kaga click AS but it's orders of magnitude stronger.  Huge ammo reserves and no aircraft loss for strafing out.  A good Saipan will lock you up and strafe in/out and just murder all your aircraft.

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Kaga is the better overall ship, and it's absolutely OP.

 

The Saipan is nice if you want to do well in a USN CV without feeling like you're being hammered in the balls repeatedly. It's biggest selling point is that it is quite effective against the Kaga, basically being her kryptonite. I don't particularly care for those games though. Even if you win they can be very frustrating for either side. I find the Kaga more enjoyable, especially as I was learning CVs, because you can make far more mistakes, still do damage and struggle tor un out of planes.

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In my limited experience, the Saipan is a better choice if you want to kill planes, while the Kaga is better if you want to kill ships.

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Kaga has the highest winrate right now, even with t7 matching vs Saipan. Kaga is fun to delete things. But Saipan is easier and fun to delete planes. 

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Here is replay AS Saipan v. Kaga. 

 

I am, honestly, a very bad carrier player v. rather strong one, yet "Clear Sky" and some measurable damage. Note: The captain was setup for strike Essex retraining for Midway so some skills are useless while others are missing. Kaga cannot do anything against Saipan, Ranger cannot do anything against Saipan, Hiryu needs a very strong player to do something in a match against Saipan. Only Saipan can fight Saipan. 

 

 

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Well after all that wonderful information...I am now even more confused (chicken) as to which to get.  I will have to tape the mouth shut of the Japanese spirit on my shoulder screaming KAGA at me.

I guess I'll just have to bite my tongue while my team rips me apart in chat. (worst CV ever / Unistall / are you drunk)  Just a few examples.  I soooo suck at biting my tongue! (chat ban coming)

Again thank you all for your input. 

 

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All things being equal (pts on captain and player skill) the Saipan will Clear Sky you almost every time if its AS. You can easily overcome Hiryu and Ranger, but they and you will still get your strikes through. Saipan will eliminate your fighters, catch up to your bombers and chew them up, it will also chew up your next group of fighters and bombers and only then will the Saipans fighters need to return for ammo. 

 

Saipan is not about doing damage, its about scouting, spotting torps and killing planes. Sure you will get strikes in but its primary purpose is AS.

 

The best thing a Kaga player can do is tie down the Saipan, use bombers to scout and kill off the enemy DD's if you can. Kaga is a powerful ship and is the one low to mid tier carrier that excels at eliminating the opposing CV in one pass....this also happens to be the best way to deal with a Saipan :)

 

A well operated Saipan is an abomination and is the bane of every tier 7 CV's existence.

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1 hour ago, Minah_Bang said:

Well after all that wonderful information...I am now even more confused (chicken) as to which to get.  I will have to tape the mouth shut of the Japanese spirit on my shoulder screaming KAGA at me.

I guess I'll just have to bite my tongue while my team rips me apart in chat. (worst CV ever / Unistall / are you drunk)  Just a few examples.  I soooo suck at biting my tongue! (chat ban coming)

Again thank you all for your input. 

 


As a Kaga owner, I'll say this.  Kaga is fun.  Very fun.  Almost too powerful versus surface ships.  I have no regrets buying her.  But she's hell to play against Saipan.
And Saipan may not be anywhere as strong versus surface ships, but Saipan will rule the skies.

I'll explain.  A new Saipan captain that simply point clicks fighters against a Kaga (with Dogfighting Expert) will lose.  With equal captain skills 5 Kaga planes vs 4 Saipan planes generally ends in Kaga's victory.  But the second the Saipan captain learns about the no penalty strafe out Saipan has, Kaga cannot make solo strikes far from her allies.  There's no way around it.  You cannot strafe Saipan's fighters as Kaga unless the Saipan player is unaware or bad.  Most Saipan captains will have no trouble dodging with the speed Saipan's fighters have.  Even if you land the strafe, it's rare you'll get many kills.  On the other hand, Saipan will strafe all day because there's no way to punish it.

If you dodge a Saipan strafe and lock her fighters afterwards, the Saipan captain can simply have her fighters strafe away with no losses.  It's even worse if you have multiple squads nearby since a locked squad can strafe away in any direction, with no way to tell.   It also locks the squad they're running away from in place for a few seconds, making them extremely vulnerable to strafes.  If you lock a Saipan squad and run your attack planes by, they will simply get strafed.  Really, the only way to punish a Saipan player who misses their strafe is to dodge it, lock the fighter, strafe with you other fighter, and to strafe away with your locked squad before the Saipan does.  Whoever puts in the strafe away command first wins.

It's not impossible to beat Saipans.  You can always sneak strikes by.  But against an equally skilled player you'll be in for a really rough (and not very fun) fight in the skies.  I suppose a good lower tier analogy would be Zuiho versus Fighter Bogue.  The mechanics are different, as are the damage numbers, but the imbalance has a familiar feel.

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9 hours ago, Citrusss said:

if it is tier 7 match, nothing but atlanta can do any meaningful damage to saipan planes. strafe of tier 6 kaga's planes is a waste for time. 

 

Saipan hands down. Probably the most OP CV in the game

If Saipan is so great, why is Kaga kicking it's tail in both win rate and damage?

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3 hours ago, crzyhawk said:

If Saipan is so great, why is Kaga kicking it's tail in both win rate and damage?

potatoes!

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