1,093 [SYN] Camo68 Members 3,511 posts 18,378 battles Report post #1 Posted September 11, 2017 After mucking around with cruisers I thought I would get back to my favourite class DDs. I hadn't played the Clemson so thought it would be fun to play a bit in it in conjunction with the British BB release. What a nice little ship and so strong where the Isokaze wasn't, contesting caps and fighting other DDs. So I wondered which was the better of the two and it was still the Isokaze as it's torps really do counter BBs where the Clemson struggles due to detectability (And RN BB HE salvos doing 10,000 damage and starting 2 fires!) . So what do I think is the best tier 4 DD? Neither, IMO it is the V-170. The perfect balance of low detectability, good torp range and guns that you can duel with! What do you think is the best? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
425 [TSG4B] ObiphanKenobi Privateers 2,325 posts 12,687 battles Report post #2 Posted September 11, 2017 Which EVER the ship that you enjoyed while driving her !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
148 [STW-N] 33nfidel Beta Testers 1,105 posts 12,480 battles Report post #3 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) C'mon Camo68, you could have prefaced the title with "Lifting the veil on sealclubbing" or lifting the tier on.... o7 mate Edit: Might have to have a look at the V-170 soon(ish) Edited September 11, 2017 by 33nfidel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,523 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 15,366 posts 12,506 battles Report post #4 Posted September 11, 2017 Clemson can club best Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,093 [SYN] Camo68 Members 3,511 posts 18,378 battles Report post #5 Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, 33nfidel said: C'mon Camo68, you could have prefaced the title with "Lifting the veil on sealclubbing" or lifting the tier on.... o7 mate It's true I do love to put those pesky seals back in their place! But in my defense there weren't too many new players going up the RN BB line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,076 [O_O] desmo_2 Members 5,448 posts 12,451 battles Report post #6 Posted September 11, 2017 Clemson simply offers so much to offset its lower torp range. The guns are fantastic...they can shred other destroyers and when firing from concealment (smoke or from behind an island) you can make battleships really hate you. She has torps on both sides of the ship. If you can get close enough, you drop one side of torps, turn to flee and drop the other side of torps for a T9-level torp wall. Or, you can YOLO charge in between two ships and torp them both at the same time. Plus, there are a lot of missions for destroyers that start at T4. Co-op can be easy mode for these missions, and Clemson is an absolute monster in Co-op. Clemson, hands down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
153 [BLUE_] Cpt_JM_Nascimento Members 443 posts 16,631 battles Report post #7 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) The boat that have 12 torps in tier 4 (i dont mind torp range until this tier), that have 8 guns (can fire 6 of them in a broadside), that smoke consumable and can compete drift with street cars. What was the name of that ship again? Edit: if someone wants to say another ship that isnt Clemson 1v1 me with "your best tier 4 destroyer". If u can win i'll give u cookies! Edited September 11, 2017 by Cpt_JM_Nascimento Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
292 [SPTR] ChubbyCVEGambierBaaayyyy Members 3,860 posts 10,428 battles Report post #8 Posted September 11, 2017 the little clemson 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
820 [ARMDA] Unabletony Members 8,998 posts 4,264 battles Report post #9 Posted September 11, 2017 Why not all? The Clemson is an absolute beast, reasons known/unknown. Isokaze, imo, feels like an old prebuff Minekaze. The Izzy has great guns, and lol torps. V-170 is a balance that is amazing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,047 [FOXEH] Umikami Beta Testers 11,648 posts 17,104 battles Report post #10 Posted September 11, 2017 V-170 is good against same tier opponents, but has difficulty with higher tier DD's. This is an issue Clemson does not suffer from, and for that reason, good against uptiering, I picked Clemson over the others listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5 [TOG] acm123b Members 22 posts 11,947 battles Report post #11 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Clemson can do everything, it can be a beast against other tier 4 DD's, hold it's own versus most tier 5 DD's, and just be a pain in the neck against cruisers and BB's, It is a Carrier killer if it gets close. A great all around DD. However, you can just take over a game if the torps are running well playing a Isokaze or a V-170. If the torps are not hitting, especially in the Isokaze, you are in for a long ( or very short) game. Izzy is a ball to play, it can roast anything you fire at, I've just never had a monster game in one. If I had one last ranked battle to play, I would take the Clemson. Edited September 11, 2017 by acm123b spelling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,047 [Y0L0] centarina Members 9,917 posts 14,105 battles Report post #12 Posted September 11, 2017 you can have fun with all of them, but I do have clemson in my port. I did enjoy v170 due to its front firing torps. izy is also pretty good with better range gun, but torps are weak. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654 chewonit ∞ Beta Testers 1,964 posts 10,774 battles Report post #13 Posted September 11, 2017 I would have voted for Isokaze before the nerf. She was my favorite DD. Now she's just not worth the time. Clemson is still great. Fast path of destruction. Until I ran into some noob who decided to follow me and mirror my move, including launching torpedoes, from behind me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
156 [KSC] JochenHeiden Members 866 posts 8,718 battles Report post #14 Posted September 11, 2017 V-170, hands down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 Slyv Members 117 posts 6,989 battles Report post #15 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) I have kept both the Izy and V-170 in port but like others have said they are all really nice boats. That being said the Izy is my favorite. Edited September 12, 2017 by Slyv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
93 [DD214] Seamus_44 Members 786 posts 28,129 battles Report post #16 Posted September 11, 2017 Izo use to be my seal-clubber, High Cals on a regular basis, then the nerf. Now it's more fun t just stay at T10 with Gearing, Khab, and Shima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,339 [HYD] Aduial Members 7,049 posts 4,929 battles Report post #17 Posted September 11, 2017 I prefer Clemson. However, Clemson does need a somewhat well-trained captain perform at its best, since it has a relatively high detection range and a fairly low gun range. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
148 [STW-N] 33nfidel Beta Testers 1,105 posts 12,480 battles Report post #18 Posted September 12, 2017 Short range torps on Clemson =profit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
632 OlDirtyBoatstard Members 1,662 posts 15,778 battles Report post #19 Posted September 13, 2017 The Clemson is undoubtedly the strongest in a bully sense, but for those with a more patient, stealthy, conventional play style... The V-170 is in my opinion, ALMOST equally as overpowered. She is almost like a Kamikaze but at t4, with worse torps. Very similar play style. I just had this game in her and I won't lie, I'm still buzzing. Nevermind the 6 kills, or the TWO DOUBLE STRIKES...look at those defended ribbons. lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,093 [SYN] Camo68 Members 3,511 posts 18,378 battles Report post #20 Posted September 13, 2017 4 hours ago, SalvoSanta said: I just had this game in her and I won't lie, I'm still buzzing. Nevermind the 6 kills, or the TWO DOUBLE STRIKES...look at those defended ribbons. lol. Your application to Seal Clubbers anonymous has been accepted........ Nice game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78 TugboatCommander -Members- 360 posts 194 battles Report post #21 Posted September 14, 2017 I'm a big fan of the Clemson, for a lot of the reasons discussed. But recently, I've found that the V-170 can be just as fun, especially using the forward firing torpedo in duels with other DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
297 [TOAST] Vekta408 [TOAST] Members 1,090 posts 9,230 battles Report post #22 Posted September 15, 2017 If there was ever such a thing as T-4 ranked Clemson would be a no-contest choice. Outside of that though I prefer the V-170. It's much more relaxing and casual low tier boat for me. IJN-like concealment and torp set but has guns that are much more useable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,326 Canadatron Members 5,202 posts 3,461 battles Report post #23 Posted September 16, 2017 I play Clemson a lot. It's the best of the 2 for me. 170 was fine, but considering how well Clemson works for me I wasn't that interested in having another T4 clubbing machine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
43 [WOLFB] Haifischkoeder [WOLFB] Members 225 posts 5,899 battles Report post #24 Posted September 23, 2017 V-170 is perfect for torp-rushing BBs. Fire off the front torps about 5km out to force them into evasive action or get them to burn DC on flooding, then turn and fire your remaining torps 2km or closer to finish them off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
821 [MPIRE] aether_tech Beta Testers 3,726 posts 5,276 battles Report post #25 Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) The Clemson is the better ship for dealing with cruisers, and enemy carriers if you can get close enough to leverage the AP of the Clemson. But the Izyaslav is the superior with regards to rate of fire, fires per minute, range, and ridiculously thin profile from the front. DPG, the Clemson wins. Overall K/D the Clemson will most likely win. But for sheer waspy annoyance, the Izyaslav is one of the most fun ships I've played. She can get down to very low levels of detection, has much better gun range and rate of fire for similar damage - with higher chance of fire over the clemson. Battleships HATE my Izyaslav. And even Cruisers will have difficulty dealing with an Izy at near max range spamming them with HE in a way the Clemson only dreams of doing. Her torpedoes are weak, but hell, torpedoes still do damage at least. And she has no AA....but who does at tier 4? Lastly, because of her higher rate of fire, she can easily overpower the Clemson in a gun fight. Better arcs, faster rate of fire. Both are good, but one is a op boat, and the other is just a fun really-gud boat. The other tier 4 DDs dont matter unless their captain is actually decent. Edited September 28, 2017 by aether_tech Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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