176 [WOLF2] Slntreaper Members 484 posts 5,301 battles Report post #1 Posted September 10, 2017 Clearly WG needs more data. Thanks to Flamu and WoWs Reddit for this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,186 BlazerSparta Members 11,026 posts 30,665 battles Report post #2 Posted September 10, 2017 Time to nerf that HE. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,247 [SCCC] FayFay731 Members 1,137 posts 9,687 battles Report post #3 Posted September 10, 2017 It's been happening on the EU server too, I'd give it a week and it'll surpass the Hakyryu even on the Asia server. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,565 [NKOTD] LancerUlysses Senior Volunteer Moderator, Supertester, Privateers 1,972 posts 19,588 battles Report post #4 Posted September 10, 2017 The AP is pretty strong also. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,285 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,732 posts 26,569 battles Report post #5 Posted September 10, 2017 Sample size. Also, early adopters, only the real serious and arguably skilled will have Conq this early after its release. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,565 [NKOTD] LancerUlysses Senior Volunteer Moderator, Supertester, Privateers 1,972 posts 19,588 battles Report post #6 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Lert said: Sample size. Also, early adopters, only the real serious and arguably skilled will have Conq this early after its release. That doesn't explain me, Lert ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
157 [SF-3] RHINO_Mk_II Beta Testers 594 posts 8,966 battles Report post #7 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Lert said: Sample size. Also, early adopters, only the real serious and arguably skilled will have Conq this early after its release. This, also most of that damage is fire damage to BBs, which is the least effective type for winning the game. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,285 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,732 posts 26,569 battles Report post #8 Posted September 10, 2017 Just now, LancerUlysses said: That doesn't explain me, Lert ;) Sample size. You're just one person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
76 [NO2BB] _Zergling Members 306 posts 4,921 battles Report post #9 Posted September 10, 2017 tbh a lot of the good cv players dont play CVs regularly anymore, and theres been a surge of some questionable hakuryu players lately Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,242 [NDA] Wo_9 Beta Testers 5,251 posts 8,893 battles Report post #10 Posted September 10, 2017 worrying... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [KOZ] AirshipCanon Beta Testers 1,485 posts 1,192 battles Report post #11 Posted September 10, 2017 It's way too early to make any calls about the performance of the Conqueror. The CQ is brand new, and right now there's a handful of people who have it: 1. Those with the Free EXP. Check the Missouri's stats vs. the Iowa's. Have to say it: the Missouri is NOT by any means a significantly better ship than the Iowa. Stronger Armor that doesn't affect the game whatsoever, Radar which on a Battleship doesn't mean much, outside of killing a couple more RN CLs. Nope, the MO's performance is her playerbase... 2. Those skilled enough to crush the line with win after win after win. These are Unicums. Not a metric to make a call on, unless their behavior becomes centralizing. The CQ is raining fire on Battleships right now, so of course it's going to do tons of damage. Give it a few months and let enough time to let the average joes get the ship... then watch those numbers drop. If it stays high THEN, it might be worth worrying about. Right now? Fahgettaboutit. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
332 hoom Beta Testers 2,580 posts 4,750 battles Report post #12 Posted September 10, 2017 People already have over 1,000 battles in Conq?! Dat russianbias doe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,521 [WOLF7] awiggin Members 12,620 posts Report post #13 Posted September 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, AirshipCanon said: It's way too early to make any calls about the performance of the Conqueror. The CQ is brand new, and right now there's a handful of people who have it: 1. Those with the Free EXP. Check the Missouri's stats vs. the Iowa's. Have to say it: the Missouri is NOT by any means a significantly better ship than the Iowa. Stronger Armor that doesn't affect the game whatsoever, Radar which on a Battleship doesn't mean much, outside of killing a couple more RN CLs. Nope, the MO's performance is her playerbase... 2. Those skilled enough to crush the line with win after win after win. These are Unicums. Not a metric to make a call on, unless their behavior becomes centralizing. The CQ is raining fire on Battleships right now, so of course it's going to do tons of damage. Give it a few months and let enough time to let the average joes get the ship... then watch those numbers drop. If it stays high THEN, it might be worth worrying about. Right now? Fahgettaboutit. You think Missouri's stats are the players who play it? Have you seen how many really bad players are in one? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
145 [K-P-M] Montana_Prussian Members 1,616 posts 18,452 battles Report post #14 Posted September 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, awiggin said: You think Missouri's stats are the players who play it? Have you seen how many really bad players are in one? Yeah,and they end up on my team 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,593 [CRMSN] Cobraclutch Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,021 posts 4,739 battles Report post #15 Posted September 10, 2017 28 minutes ago, AirshipCanon said: It's way too early to make any calls about the performance of the Conqueror. The CQ is brand new, and right now there's a handful of people who have it: 1. Those with the Free EXP. Check the Missouri's stats vs. the Iowa's. Have to say it: the Missouri is NOT by any means a significantly better ship than the Iowa. Stronger Armor that doesn't affect the game whatsoever, Radar which on a Battleship doesn't mean much, outside of killing a couple more RN CLs. Nope, the MO's performance is her playerbase... 2. Those skilled enough to crush the line with win after win after win. These are Unicums. Not a metric to make a call on, unless their behavior becomes centralizing. The CQ is raining fire on Battleships right now, so of course it's going to do tons of damage. Give it a few months and let enough time to let the average joes get the ship... then watch those numbers drop. If it stays high THEN, it might be worth worrying about. Right now? Fahgettaboutit. Strongly disagree about MO. When she is putting out 20-30k gp every 2 weeks. The high skilled players only argument flies out the window. I also know many including myself who feel the MO is much superior to Iowa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
127 [SWOB] TheHolySpork Beta Testers 486 posts 3,819 battles Report post #16 Posted September 10, 2017 43 minutes ago, Lert said: Sample size. Also, early adopters, only the real serious and arguably skilled will have Conq this early after its release. The sample size is fine. But I agree that it is probably not representative of the general population. Early adopters are mostly likely not average players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,285 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,732 posts 26,569 battles Report post #17 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, TheHolySpork said: The sample size is fine. Really? Because it's only 10k. When I argued that Nelson was fine instead of crap and showed its stats at the time I was told 8k was waaaaay too small a sample size to make any sort of judgment on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
127 [SWOB] TheHolySpork Beta Testers 486 posts 3,819 battles Report post #18 Posted September 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lert said: Really? Because it's only 10k. When I argued that Nelson was fine instead of crap and showed its stats at the time I was told 8k was waaaaay too small a sample size to make any sort of judgment on. Without getting too technical, 8000 is good enough too. If you are comfortable with an 95% confidence level (which is the "norm"), then at a sample size of 1000 your margin of error is already at about 3%. At 10000 it is about 1%. Of course, it depends on what you are trying to estimate, but - statistically speaking - you are good with anything in the 1000s unless you need a very very small margin of error. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
108 [BAKED] Dodgy_Cookies Members 918 posts 12,366 battles Report post #19 Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) Solo win rates are still under GKs on the NA SEA EU. If you look at the battle percentages, Conq has much higher division rate than the other T10 BBs Though the damage is pretty high. I don't think even GK at launch was ever that high. Edited September 10, 2017 by Dodgy_Cookies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,367 Palladia Members 2,688 posts 4,560 battles Report post #20 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Lert said: Really? Because it's only 10k. When I argued that Nelson was fine instead of crap and showed its stats at the time I was told 8k was waaaaay too small a sample size to make any sort of judgment on. Really? 8k is fine when you consider the games population. Also that the Hak in the past two weeks has only 2,500 games. The problem isn't the number of games, it's the people in those games. I'd say in a month we'll start seeing more reliable numbers as the general populace catches up and starts dragging stats down. That being said, those are still high numbers and need to be monitored carefully to prevent her from being too strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
924 [TSF_1] pewpewpew42 Members 3,301 posts 7,816 battles Report post #21 Posted September 10, 2017 It's a very high number. As people have said, this is partly due to the best players being the only ones with access, but it does seem extraneous even for a brand new line. I don't recall such outcry about the Henri IV (or maybe I'm just forgetting things). That said, I think many of the UK BBs will be receiving nerfs in the near future. Not huge nerfs, but small things, like 3-4% fire chance or 100-200 HE damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,879 [-K--] vak_ Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,172 posts 10,845 battles Report post #22 Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Lert said: Sample size. Also, early adopters, only the real serious and arguably skilled will have Conq this early after its release. Yep. The population of players that will spend a ton of free XP to get a tier 10 ship right after the new line was released is clearly different from the overall player population. 1 hour ago, RHINO_Mk_II said: This, also most of that damage is fire damage to BBs, which is the least effective type for winning the game. Also this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,201 [PVE] Sovereigndawg Members 12,067 posts 21,313 battles Report post #23 Posted September 10, 2017 Not trying to be demeaning or anything OP but why do you care? you are at tier 6 only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
206 Pata1985 Members 1,019 posts 8,525 battles Report post #24 Posted September 10, 2017 Conqueror was 115k+ last week, so don't know what u guys talking about in her "climbing" damage, as sample size gets larger and less skilled players play her, her numbers will become in the +-10% average damage of the rest of the T10 BB's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,169 [SYN] mofton [SYN] Members 9,312 posts 18,907 battles Report post #25 Posted September 10, 2017 I think it's worth pointing out that not all damage is equal - Conq's doing 103k including an absolute ton of entirely repairable fire damage is my guess. Yamato might only be doing 89k but in all likelihood that's almost exclusively AP, and a mix of 10% repairable citadels and 50% repairable AP pens as well as some (but not a huge proportion) of 100% repairable overpens. If you were in a Yamato, would you rather take 100k from a Conq that you can probably repair 75% of depending on the HE pen/fire breakdown (all the fire, half the HE pen), or 90k damage from another Yamato which if it includes cits you'll be healing only say 30% of? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites