968 [KTKM] godzilla5549 Beta Testers 2,081 posts 4,012 battles Report post #1 Posted September 10, 2017 This change really needs to be undone. This is up near the top of the list of the dumbest changes to the game. It has completely ruined fighting Iowa / Montana. This allows complete potatoes to just sail full broadside and ignore what should be massive damage. Instead, they only take 20-30k damage, when it should be 50-60k+ damage. So many times now I have been in a situation where an enemy Montana lived even though I should have deleted him. A full Montana salvo and I only do 20-30k damage against a full broadside battleship beyond dumb. If players are going to make low tier mistakes in high tier ships, they need to be punished for it. The citadel change removed even more skill from the equation, as it gives potatoes a more even ground against skilled players. The "buff" to Montana's citadel needs to go. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,607 [INTEL] Taichunger Members 8,410 posts 25,242 battles Report post #2 Posted September 10, 2017 It's wonderful. It's made the Montana competitive and very enjoyable to play. Fully support the lowering. 22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
440 More_Witches Members 1,506 posts 1,138 battles Report post #3 Posted September 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, godzilla5549 said: This allows complete potatoes to just sail full broadside and ignore what should be massive damage. Instead, they only take 20-30k damage, when it should be 50-60k+ damage. Doesn't this apply to quite literally an entire line of BBs? 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
968 [KTKM] godzilla5549 Beta Testers 2,081 posts 4,012 battles Report post #4 Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Taichunger said: It's wonderful. It's made the Montana competitive and very enjoyable to play. Fully support the lowering. Montana was completely fine before the change. Anyone who says that Montana was bad or "not competitive" had no idea how to actually play the ship. Edited September 10, 2017 by godzilla5549 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,607 [INTEL] Taichunger Members 8,410 posts 25,242 battles Report post #5 Posted September 10, 2017 14 hours ago, godzilla5549 said: Montana was completely fine before the change. Anyone who says that Montana was bad or "not competitive" had no idea how to actually play the ship. Of course, it's the only possible explanation for you. otherwise, you'd have to face the possibility that you are wrong.... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
968 [KTKM] godzilla5549 Beta Testers 2,081 posts 4,012 battles Report post #6 Posted September 10, 2017 Just now, Taichunger said: Of course, it's the only possible explanation for you. otherwise, you'd have to face the possibility that you are wrong.... And yet I have talked with people who are in the top 25 players for Montana on the server, and they agree that the citadel buff was the dumbest thing and never should have happened. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
371 Xlap Members 2,274 posts 7,311 battles Report post #7 Posted September 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, More_Witches said: Doesn't this apply to quite literally an entire line of BBs? German BBs are hard to cit but they have bad guns to compensate. Iowa and Montana are hard to cit now and they have good guns. They lost nothing for that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,021 [OPG] yashma Members 3,882 posts 5,476 battles Report post #8 Posted September 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, More_Witches said: Doesn't this apply to quite literally an entire line of BBs? *two lines now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
440 More_Witches Members 1,506 posts 1,138 battles Report post #9 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, yashma said: *two lines now ah yes, and the RN BBs get that superheal to boot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
108 [MKF] Dath_1 Members 399 posts 14,817 battles Report post #10 Posted September 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Xlap said: German BBs are hard to cit but they have bad guns to compensate. Iowa and Montana are hard to cit now and they have good guns. They lost nothing for that. I have no problem at all hitting the citadel of either of those ships. You guys must be doing something way wrong... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,119 [NBGC] Goodwood_Alpha Members 3,041 posts 10,248 battles Report post #11 Posted September 10, 2017 So I see bxbr got an alt. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,270 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 8,800 posts Report post #12 Posted September 10, 2017 lol They are still easy to cit but you dont get the ridiculous 5-6 cits in a volley. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
371 Xlap Members 2,274 posts 7,311 battles Report post #13 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Dath_1 said: I have no problem at all hitting the citadel of either of those ships. You guys must be doing something way wrong... Never said i cant. But OP has a point. Before the buff you could delete Iowa and Montana. Now its very rare. You can get some good damage but not delete. They can make mistake and get away with that. And the problem is that they dont trade nothing for being more tank. IJN BBs: good guns, not tank. KMS BBs: poor guns, very tank. USN BBs: good guns, very tank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
284 [EGO] CaptainTeddybear Members 1,757 posts 7,968 battles Report post #14 Posted September 10, 2017 I think it needed to be lowered but they lowered it too much. Montana has very accurate guns and godlike AA. It also has amazingly good firing arcs for its size. Why does the GK have terrible firing arcs when it's practically twice as big? Also GK range is similar to Moskva, wth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,366 [HINON] tcbaker777 [HINON] Members 4,929 posts 6,433 battles Report post #15 Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, godzilla5549 said: Montana was completely fine before the change. Anyone who says that Montana was bad or "not competitive" had no idea how to actually play the ship. so, getting Citadeled to death by a CRUISER was perfectly fine for a battleship? the citadel is fine, it wont stop them from being citadeled to death if they show broadside though Edited September 10, 2017 by tcbaker777 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,492 [NSF] Big_Spud Beta Testers 4,975 posts 5,679 battles Report post #16 Posted September 10, 2017 "No" You can still citadel broadside idiots in Iowas and Montanas easily, you just can't do the epic "Yamato just deleted you with 6 citpens from 15 km because you were angled incorrectly by two degrees" epic meme anymore. The Germans are still functionally immune to citadel penetrations, and come equipped with hydro from tier 8+ in addition to the pants on head retarded secondaries, with mediocre gun handling. The new Royal Navy tier 7-10 ships are totally immune to citadel penetrations, AND they get a super heal starting with Lion, AND they get good gun handling, ridiculous self defense AA, incredible maneuverability, and literal cruiser tier concealment to boot. In terms of durability at high tiers, it basically goes like this now: Royal Navy>KMS>>>>>>>>>USN>IJN. Feel free to find me a server where the Montana or Iowa is actually over-performing stats wise in the hands of the average player, because this game is NOT balanced around the "top 25 players" of any specific ship. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
145 [SF-3] RHINO_Mk_II Beta Testers 594 posts 8,787 battles Report post #17 Posted September 10, 2017 Another godzilla thread asking for nerfs to USN ships... why am I not surprised. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
428 MrKillmister Members 3,293 posts 7,966 battles Report post #18 Posted September 10, 2017 Na no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
121 [FG] SovereignEagle Members 398 posts 3,709 battles Report post #19 Posted September 10, 2017 Personally I'd like them to revert the Iowa/Montana citadel lowering, but swap the rudder shift times of them with the RN BBs. The Monty and Iowa go back to taking massive damage from broadsides, but now you are giving "power" back to the player to avert staying broadside. Bad players will be punished, good players will make use of the lower rudder shift to angle in quicker. Reverting the citadel change now alone with the introduction of another BB line with basically impossible to hit citadels would be a poor decision imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,344 [HINON] Phoenix_jz Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 7,177 posts 2,029 battles Report post #20 Posted September 10, 2017 Well, this thread is going places... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 V1triol Members 67 posts 7,993 battles Report post #21 Posted September 10, 2017 BB's getting punished for playing poorly? WG does not want this it seems. I thought at the time it was an unnecessary buff and I still think so. Montana was always a good ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
284 [EGO] CaptainTeddybear Members 1,757 posts 7,968 battles Report post #22 Posted September 10, 2017 Agree the RN citadels are more ridiculous than the US Citadels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,009 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 16,019 posts 11,538 battles Report post #23 Posted September 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, RHINO_Mk_II said: Another godzilla thread asking for nerfs to USN ships... why am I not surprised. It's never someone without an anime avatar either. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
27 [POET] admiral_noone Members 300 posts 1,784 battles Report post #24 Posted September 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, crzyhawk said: It's never someone without an anime avatar either. Well, I'll bite. If anime avatars are the ones always making complaints like these, couldn't we try to figure out what's up with that? I assume you are completely serious about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
697 [SPTR] khaenn35 Members 20,095 posts 5,145 battles Report post #25 Posted September 10, 2017 ... No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
