9,432 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 29,209 posts 15,770 battles Report post #1 Posted September 10, 2017 During the war of 1812 the Great Lakes were a major battleground. Major battles along with many skirmishes were fought on Lake Erie and Lake Champlain with only minor skirmishes on Lake Ontario. For unknown reasons the war for Lake Ontario turned into an arms race to rival the battleship race of the early 20th century. A friend is doing some research for a what if Battle of Lake Ontario and the list is mind boggling and this is just built to being built and not the proposed ships which included a 130 gun five deck first rate SOL that would have been bigger than the Santisima Trinidad which fought at Trafalger that was proposed on the US side in response to the British 76 gun ships Carronades were extremely powerful but short range cannon and were not counted in for the rating. Some example of Ships of the Line and Frigates British St Lawwrence - 68 gun SOL, 32 - 68# carronades, 34 - 32# carronades, 34 - 32# cannon, 34 - 24# cannon Wolf & Canada - 76 gun SOL, 36 - 32# carronades, 76 - 24# cannon 4th rate frigates Psyche - 28 - 32# carronades, 28 - 24# cannon Princess Charlotte - 2 - 68# carronades, 16 - 32# carronades, 24 - 24# cannon Plrince Regent 4 - 68# carronades, 24 - 32# carronades, 28 - 24# cannon US New Orleans 63 gunSOL 24 - 32# carronades, 63 - 32# cannon Chippewa 63 gun SOL 24 - 32# carronades, 63 - 32# cannon 4th rate frigates Mohawk 16 - 32# carronades, 26 - 24# cannon Superior 26 - 42# carronades, 30 - 32# cannon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #2 Posted September 10, 2017 I have heard of the term carronade, and the term cannonade. Though was not aware of this info. Good post! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,432 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 29,209 posts 15,770 battles Report post #3 Posted September 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Doomlock said: I have heard of the term carronade, and the term cannonade. Though was not aware of this info. Good post! Basically a carronade was a very short barreled cannon that could fire a much larger ball than a cannon but at a much shorter range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #4 Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, BrushWolf said: Basically a carronade was a very short barreled cannon that could fire a much larger ball than a cannon but at a much shorter range. So, for a long and short of it. Normal broadside cannons are the pellet shotguns, and carronade's are the shotgun slugs, so to speak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,432 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 29,209 posts 15,770 battles Report post #5 Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Doomlock said: So, for a long and short of it. Normal broadside cannons are the pellet shotguns, and carronade's are the shotgun slugs, so to speak. More like the reverse but yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #6 Posted September 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, BrushWolf said: More like the reverse but yes. Er. Yeah. Now that I give it a second thought my analogy was off. Don't even know why I put an anology to it...I understand it just fine... I dunno. I'm weird. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,432 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 29,209 posts 15,770 battles Report post #7 Posted September 10, 2017 9 hours ago, Doomlock said: Er. Yeah. Now that I give it a second thought my analogy was off. Don't even know why I put an anology to it...I understand it just fine... I dunno. I'm weird. A much better analogy is cannons were muskets while cannoades were sawed off shotguns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
348 [5IN] bassmasta76 Members 2,109 posts 10,709 battles Report post #8 Posted September 10, 2017 Found this on a search for carronade. Wow. For the time period, that would be pretty brutal. 68 pounder. ... B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,812 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,244 posts 16,381 battles Report post #9 Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) While we're on the subject of Great Lakes warships... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_(IX-64) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_(IX-81) I believe these two are the only freshwater carriers ever built, and the only paddle-wheeled carriers in the world. They didn't have defensive armament, so they're technically not CVs or even CVEs. Edited September 10, 2017 by ValkyrWarframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,432 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 29,209 posts 15,770 battles Report post #10 Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, ValkyrWarframe said: While we're on the subject of Great Lakes warships... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_(IX-64) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_(IX-81) I believe these two are the only freshwater carriers ever built, and the only paddle-wheeled carriers in the world. They didn't have defensive armament, so they're technically not CVs or even CVEs. They didn't even have hangers but they were a brilliant way to safely train both pilots and the deck crews for CV's. Some years ago the local news had a pilot from one of the taffy's although he wasn't with Taffy 3. He reminisced about a CV pilot that had just transferred onto the Jeep carrier he was stationed on complaining about landing on them and he told him I landed on the Wolverine, this is nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
