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Validating Concept of Pan-Asia’s Existentialism Lore

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Disclaimer: This article contains historical politics that is solely for documentary studies only & must not be taken too personal. The political elements in it may potentially get into a heated debate, and the moderators have the rights to close down this thread should the debate is getting out of hands. And so, the audiences are advised to read it at their own discretion.


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With the emergence of Pan-Asia as a faction, a short documentary article is created with the purpose of exploring the lore of histories & geopolitics of Eastern Asian countries, then validate the existential foundation of Pan-Asia as a multi-culturally diverse multinational faction aligned by the common ground between shared & differing values & belief in both historical & geopolitical levels. Each historical lore of the involved Asian nations was evaluated discretely, followed by evaluating their distinctive roles in power politics aligning with their respective geopolitics amid the Cold War period. Then investigate how Pan-Asianism as a supposed nationalistic ideology evolved into a different form of political movement that could potentially bind each Asian country together as the conceptual multicultural pact instead of a supranational union, regardless of ideology.

Introduction

By the time WG announced & released a sneak peek of the Pan-Asian destroyer line recently, it appears that the line fills with warships from a various few Asian nations, with the Republic of China/Taiwanese Navy representing majority of the line – six out of ten destroyers, whilst there are other four Asian nations each presenting a single destroyer – Thailand, People’s Republic of China, Republic of Indonesia & South Korea/Republic of Korea. For us, it seems like Pan-Asia is going to be a unique multiculturally diverse faction, with diversity being its primary feature. But if you consider a bigger picture, they aren’t as entirely united as you would think due to some differences between each other, somethings that drew lines upon themselves.

Pan-Asian lore from cultural & historical perspective

One would wonder what defines Pan-Asia for Asia itself. For starter, to recognize the concept of Pan-Asia, one must first understand the Eastern Asian histories in both aspects of cultures, philosophies & societies. At first, one would blatantly think Pan-Asia is merely the made-up supranational union of Far East Asia mainly consist of mainland China, Taiwan & Korea (minus Democratic People’s Republic of Korea/North Korea), let alone the pre-1945 Japan. But since both Thailand & Indonesia from the South-East Asia are also included in the category of Pan-Asia, then the conceptual view on Pan-Asia must be broadened to a wider spectrum. In terms of culture, they both shared some similar cultural values, customs & philosophies such as the spiritual practice of animism & Buddhism, shared some similar religion-based mythologies like dragons as a mythical creature, valuing family customs & lineages, as well as the societies of respective nations, more or less, mutually functioned under the same social caste hierarchy in history of their respective civilizations. However, given both Thailand & Indonesia also have practiced Hinduism for centuries even before Islam from the Middle-East expand its influence on both China & South-East Asia, that further expands the inclusion of the Indian civilization into the sphere of Pan-Asia concept. Meaning both India & Pakistan of South Asia may be included as well, as the Indian civilization also defines one of the roots of Asian cultures too. After all, in history, both China & India are the two great & ancient civilizations in Asia that actively engaged in economic trading & marketing, political & religious diplomacies, even cultural exchanges between two Asian giants & the other Asian locals. Most South-East Asian countries inherited some relics & old architectures rooted from both Chinese & Indian related cultures such as of Hindu-Buddhist in origin as concrete evidences of their existential influences on them. 

Pan-Asian lore from geopolitical & power politics perspective

But unfortunately, the concept of Pan-Asia from the historical perspective is vague as neither are necessarily united for solidarity, because both have evolved its own cultures, religions, traditions, societies, politics, philosophies & their own heritages differently from each other to define its own national identities. As such, that in turn leads to what really defines Pan-Asia, is through the geopolitical standpoints on the Eastern Asian World in general, of which came into full circle amid the Cold War when all have achieved independence & effectively became independent nations since then.

It all began from the creation of the idea of Pan-Asianism ideology as a mean to unify all Asian people with the motivation of empowering Asian values over Western values & resist against Western imperialism & colonialism. The Pan-Asianism movement was first championing by Japan after their triumphant against the Russian Empire in the Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905; followed by an honorary famed Chinese revolutionist, Sun Yat-Sen, who advocated for solidarity with Asian people across Asia, right after his successful revolution to overthrow the corrupt Qing Dynasty leadership on 1911 & established the republic government system on mainland China. Through China & Japan, they both have inspired other Asian countries to advocate resistance movements against Western imperialists, while Thailand remained untouched by any Western powers. Until when Japan annexed “Corea” & later decided to occupy both China & the rest of Eastern Asia a couple of decades later under the pretext of their radical version of Pan-Asian ideology for their own gain in the form of “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere”, the Japanese vulgar treachery has left a bad taste on the preposterous utopia of Pan-Asianism among most Eastern Asian countries. For that, most Asians changed their minds & decided to revolt against the Japanese occupation until 1945. In other words, that has become the turning point of the geopolitical concept of Pan-Asianism evolved from anti-Western colonial nationalism to a collective radical nationalism movement to liberate against all sorts of foreign invaders from completely subjugating their beloved countries into a vassal states to any empires, with strong sense of patriotism.

After WWII & later the advent of the Cold War, the Pan-Asian geopolitics took another turn of evolution with the rise of power politics come to play along with the emergence of the United States & the Soviet Union as the world’s polar superpowers. Instead of isolationism, most Eastern Asian countries began to make their choices of taking side between capitalism led by the United States & communism led by the Soviet Union. Since 1945, many events happened in many Asian countries with the rise of nationalism movements looming across Asia to fight for independence against the West that still occupying their countries even after when WWII ended, even if through bloodshed was inevitable.

 Lists of Cold War event occurred in Asia:

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Republic of China (Taiwan) & People’s Republic of China

  • ·         After WWII, the truce brokered between Kuomintang & Chinese Communist Party began to fall apart, and the bloody civil war in mainland China was ensured. The latter managed to overwhelm the former with the help of the Soviet Union & forced Chiang Kai-Shek the remaining Kuomintang influence on the republic to retreat to Taiwan. In Oct 1st, 1949, the People’s Republic of China & its communist government have formally established, under the leadership of Mao Zedong. To think communism – in the form of Maoism, is the only way to guarantee the survival of Chinese civilization. Since then, Taiwan – the present Republic of China, remains as one of the key allies of the United States on the Asia-Pacific alongside South Korea & modern Japan to limit the PRC’s sphere of influence.
  • ·         Whilst for mainland China, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) under Mao’s leadership openly incited crusades on Tibet, fought alongside North Korea in the Korean War & even assisted the neighbouring Indochina countries in their war efforts against the Western colonial forces. Suddenly, Sino-Soviet Split War happened at Xinjiang in 1963, as Mao viewed Khrushchev as a fraud of a socialist leader, unlike Stalin whom he seen as the last true socialist leader. A political rift was created in between the PRC & the USSR since then while its Cultural Revolution was ongoing. With the death of Mao followed by the beginning of the reform movement under his successor, Deng Xiaoping, in 1976, China’s ideology has slowly become less communistic, more open to free market capitalism & thus a more politically flexible socialism to allow mainland China to flourish better since the 80s.

India & Pakistan

  • ·         The non-violent civil disobedience movement in the former British Raj states (consisted of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet & a part of Myanmar) led by Mahatma Gandhi has peaked after WWII to the point of dissolving the colony with both India & Pakistan granted independence from the British since 1947 (while being member states of the Commonwealth of Nations today), but as Dominions & later a fully independent republic in 1950s.
  • ·         By the beginning of 1950, India asserted to incorporate the remaining parts of India that were once French & Portuguese protectorates. In 1961, The Soviet Union vetoed against the West on the UN Resolution regarding Goa dispute & ultimately came to aid India during the Portuguese-Indian War. Then the Soviets also invoked the Tashkent Declaration ceasefire to end the First Indo-Pakistan War in 1965. Despite a former Western colonial nation, India cherishes its unyielding friendship with the USSR (later Russia) for many years since 1971, after the Second Indo-Pakistan War with Pakistan lost East Pakistan that then became Bangladesh.

Republic of Korea

  • ·         Whilst the newly-established Republic of Korea has freed from the Imperial Japan’s grip over them since 1945, the idea of the unified Korean republic was short-lived when the Korean Communist Party led by Kim Il-Sung began to revolt against them that resulted to the Korean War & the Korean peninsula was ultimately divided into Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea) & Republic of Korea (South Korea). By the end of the Korean War in 1953, both North & South Koreas were divided by the DMZ (demilitarized zone) border, yet no peace treaties were ratified by both parties. Though the geopolitical friction persists despite the cessation of open confrontations with the hostility between North & South Koreas became less explicit. Nevertheless, South Korea becomes a key ally to the United States since then, with the US forces stationed on & around South Korea & Japan to remain vigilant to contain the communist threat on the Korean peninsula.

Indonesia

  • ·         The Republic of Indonesia achieved independence from the Dutch colonialism shortly after WWII, with Sukarno being the first president of the republic. But in the early 60s, Sukarno’s leadership has moved from democracy to authoritarianism as a mean to drive the wedge between the military & the Indonesian Communist Party that later driven into the Confrontation event between Indonesia & Malaya in 1962 when the Maoist communist insurgencies have been plaguing the South-East Asia for several years by that time, while Malaya (later Malaysia since 1963) was fighting the communist insurgency on its homeland with the support of several Commonwealth nations. Fortunately, Sukarno’s political maneuver managed to quell the violent coup attempted by the Communist Party of Indonesia in 1965 with the aid of the military. But Sukarno’s leadership has weakened & later succeeded by the pro-West Suharto in 1968 till his resignation on 2004, when democracy has finally returned to Indonesia.

East Indochina (Cambodia, Laos & Vietnam)

  • ·         East Indochina also began to struggle for independence from the French Indochina of the French Union through the First Indochina War in between 1945 – 1970s. But since both Laos, Cambodia & Vietnam are geopolitically bordering with mainland China, the communist ideology began to spread & cause an ideological clash between capitalists & communists that divided a country like Vietnam which later brewed into a bloody Vietnam War, of which the wars lasted for at most 10 years until the communist regimes such as Ho Chi Minh’s for Vietnam that has triumphant over the Eastern Indochina by 1975. Whilst the communist rule in Cambodia (formerly known as Kampuchea in 1975) was short-lived until 1982, when its communist party was completely dissolved.

Thailand

  • ·         Thailand, which is notorious for having the most frequent military junta’s bloodless coups in the world, has been ruled by military dictatorship from 1938 to 1973, with the constitutional monarchy was temporarily plundered & renamed Siam to Thailand in 1939. First ruled by prime minister-cum-military junta dictator Plaek “Phibun” Phibunsongkhram from 1938 to 1957, until he was ousted by Field Marshal Sarit, seek fugitive in Japan & died in 1964. Under Sarit’s rule, he restored the monarchy, the country’s traditions & ruled the country until his death in 1963, with the strong support of the United States. That also consolidated its hostility towards the Vietnamese that would soon fell into communist rule & communism in general. The Westernization of Thai society has been escalated with Vietnam War under Thanom’s rule. Until 1973, the Thai students uprising brought an end to dictatorship for good & led to the new era of democracy.

 

However, there were some Asian countries ultimately decided to be neutral & chose to take the “middle path” between two competing geopolitical ideologies, which has also demonstrated by the listed countries that have went through a few “flip-flop” political maneuvers. Interestingly, the impact of cultural change in many Asian societies were little to none. Political change did not disrupt the harmony of the people & societies negatively. Meaning majority of the Asian people in many Asian countries are ideologically flexible, it could be true if consider the fact that their ancestors came from developed civilizations with a robust social hierarchy with its people were mostly being conservative in nature for centuries, as they used to be ruled under their kings or even emperors. And so, despite the political shifts, they are more tolerant & easier to adapt changes without sacrificing the people’s way of life. It is something the West can never have or fully understand.

Moreover, countries with different political backgrounds are sometimes easier to get along & work together diplomatically among Asia compare to the West. For example, ASEAN was established with the idea of Pan-Asianism in the South-East Asia in mind, even though it was originally founded out with the fear of communism & hungry for economic development during the Cold War. But when the Cold War ended, communistic countries like Laos & Vietnam joined ASEAN in the 90s, and the two are more than eager to be open with their capitalist neighbours & work collectively on common interests as well as maintaining regional peace. Even more so when ASEAN began to bring in China along with Japan & South Korea, and later India, Australia & New Zealand to work together. Furthermore, there is the Non-Aligned Movement that was ironically founded & established in Serbia of the former Yugoslavia in 1961, of which many Asian countries (except China, Taiwan, Japan & South Korea) joins the movement to be politically neutral in power politics. India’s Nehru & Indonesia’s Sukarno were among the five founding fathers of NAM, with the former established the Panchsheel (five restraints) pillars as a guide for China-India relations, were as well served as the fundamental basis of the NAM’s neutrality principles. Needless to say, such organization for effective diplomacies turned out successful especially among South-East Asians.

Conclusion

In above all, it can be concluded that many Asians are shown to be flexible & adaptable to political shifts without significant compromises. Despite the barrier in cultural differences, Asians tend to be surprisingly & pleasantly tolerant with each other in diplomacy, as well as having the unity spirit to cooperate in working on common interests & even potentially band together to fight a common threat in times of war, regardless of the barriers in cultural & political differences. Thus, with all the lore evaluated in this article, it comes to the term that Pan-Asia is not a supranational union like the European Union, but rather a conceptual covenant consist of every Asian nations involved mutually come into agreement to put aside their respective differences in geopolitical level & unite together to fight for the common causes.

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As a Malaysian born-Chinese, I would be honored for your appreciations of my dedications. I took pride on presenting the history & cultures I live similar to them & worked hard on assembling this puzzle that can relate to Pan-Asia's background.

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I'm aware this is TMI kind of TL;DR, but it can't help that it requires as many information as possible to connect the dots due to its abstract nature.

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Nice of you to post this, Xero_Snake, but ......what!?

 There is only one reason & one reason only for this 'Pan-Asian' tech tree.

 It's called, imho, a WG targeted sales project.

 I am sure WG will make money with this project (even I will want a few of these ships).

Your characterization that your post is some sort of documentary study is preposterous (your opinion only). To me, this article is some kind of fantasy.

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1 minute ago, aethervox said:

Nice of you to post this, Xero_Snake, but ......what!?

 There is only one reason & one reason only for this 'Pan-Asian' tech tree.

 It's called, imho, a WG targeted sales project.

 I am sure WG will make money with this project (even I will want a few of these ships).

Your characterization that your post is some sort of documentary study is preposterous (your opinion only). To me, this article is some kind of fantasy.

Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

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2 minutes ago, Xero_Snake said:

Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

There's some things that are true and not everything is permitted (read the EULA).

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Was this published by the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity sphere propaganda wing?

 

Just kidding, but as Aethervox said, it's about the money...

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On 9/6/2017 at 10:28 AM, Xero_Snake said:

Political change did not disrupt the harmony of the people & societies negatively.

 

You know, except for the couple tens of millions of people killed during the partitioning of India, the great famine, and genocides in Indonesia under Suharto and the killing fields of Cambodia. The people of Taiwan, Korea and East Timor would probably also disagree with the sentiment that Asia lives in a big happy drum circle, having suffered collective tragedies at the hands of "political change".

 

But lets not let facts get in the way of starry-eyed idealism.

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3 hours ago, vonluckner said:

 

You know, except for the couple tens of millions of people killed during the partitioning of India, the great famine, and genocides in Indonesia under Suharto and the killing fields of Cambodia. The people of Taiwan, Korea and East Timor would probably also disagree with the sentiment that Asia lives in a big happy drum circle, having suffered collective tragedies at the hands of "political change".

 

But lets not let facts get in the way of starry-eyed idealism.

 

I never made this with the notion about the lofty utopia of living in a happy drum circle. Many nations mentioned did committed their own atrocities at home. Yet despite that, they would just mop the blood under the mat, see past them & focus on current issues. They may not forget nor would get away from it that easily, but they just let go of it. 

I believe the West should learn a thing or two from Asian countries in regards to diplomacy, for which it has matured since several centuries ago while Europe was plagued by Dark Age until Renaissance.

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32 minutes ago, Xero_Snake said:

 

I never made this with the notion about the lofty utopia of living in a happy drum circle. Many nations mentioned did committed their own atrocities at home. Yet despite that, they would just mop the blood under the mat, see past them & focus on current issues. They may not forget nor would get away from it that easily, but they just let go of it. 

I believe the West should learn a thing or two from Asian countries in regards to diplomacy, for which it has matured since several centuries ago while Europe was plagued by Dark Age until Renaissance.

 

But that is what you wrote. You're conveniently ignoring (or downplaying) both the darker periods of modern Asian history, and the continual areas of friction that still haven't been resolved (and aren't likely to be resolved soon). Just look at how China continues to bring up Japanese war crimes! Continual disputes over sovereignty in the South China Sea? Nobody lets go of crap. 

 

Consider how many of these areas of conflict are stagnant purely because the United States has a vested interest in maintaining peace there. Do you really think Taiwan would still be around if not for the United States interests in both their trade relationship with Taiwan and forestalling PRC expansion? China has done absolutely everything short of physical embargo to absorb Taiwan. Likewise North Korea has the potential to escalate into nuclear war!

 

If Western diplomacy were handled as badly as India-China, India-Pakistan, China-Vietnam, China-Taiwan, North/South Korea etc. relations were in the past 50 years, with periodic conflict ranging from border skirmishes to outright war to genocide, we'd all be living in a radioactive wasteland right now. I want to know exactly what we have to learn from this considering Western Europe and North America have been at total peace since the end of WW2- the same period that has seen tens of millions of people die to failed social experiments and decades of brinkmanship and hostile borders in Asia.

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I applaud your dedication in writing such a long post, but it misses the point entirely. As others have already pointed out, the entire Pan Asian concept for WoWs is an artificial construct adopted solely for the purpose of marketing.

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11 minutes ago, Skarp_AGW said:

I applaud your dedication in writing such a long post, but it misses the point entirely. As others have already pointed out, the entire Pan Asian concept for WoWs is an artificial construct adopted solely for the purpose of marketing.

Well, just in case if they wish to make up a lore for it for a valid excuse for its legitimacy. I knew that marketing part already. It also for me to look for something to do to exercise my writing skills.

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Eh, just appreciate it for the spirit it was written with? Even I admit being cynical all the time is not ideal. 

 

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4 hours ago, vonluckner said:

 

But that is what you wrote. You're conveniently ignoring (or downplaying) both the darker periods of modern Asian history, and the continual areas of friction that still haven't been resolved (and aren't likely to be resolved soon). Just look at how China continues to bring up Japanese war crimes! Continual disputes over sovereignty in the South China Sea? Nobody lets go of crap. 

 

Consider how many of these areas of conflict are stagnant purely because the United States has a vested interest in maintaining peace there. Do you really think Taiwan would still be around if not for the United States interests in both their trade relationship with Taiwan and forestalling PRC expansion? China has done absolutely everything short of physical embargo to absorb Taiwan. Likewise North Korea has the potential to escalate into nuclear war!

 

If Western diplomacy were handled as badly as India-China, India-Pakistan, China-Vietnam, China-Taiwan, North/South Korea etc. relations were in the past 50 years, with periodic conflict ranging from border skirmishes to outright war to genocide, we'd all be living in a radioactive wasteland right now. I want to know exactly what we have to learn from this considering Western Europe and North America have been at total peace since the end of WW2- the same period that has seen tens of millions of people die to failed social experiments and decades of brinkmanship and hostile borders in Asia.

Yeah, tell me something I don't know, while it's already redundant to bring it out over & over again. It's like beating up a dead horse & it solved nothing, not even with the extreme idea of pursuing absolute justice & crush the perpetrators into pulps.

Well, now. Sometimes it's not worth pursuing absolute justice as if the West is the judges themselves to think like "you're not getting away from it". When I said Asians tend to be ideologically flexible, I mean they're usually business-oriented & tend to favor non-ideological driven measures to get things done in foreign policy, putting their grudges aside for a while when things are at stake for both parties, then see how things turn out in their favor. But that only slowly to begin in the 80s. Don't bother talking about North Korea, though. They were & now clearly a lost cause.

Regarding India-Pakistan, it's not worth debating over a redundant regional problems from my article. In my article, did I said anything about achieving total peace in all around Asia? Hardly. I personally ruled them all out because I'm trying to stay objective of what do they have in common, not fighting over who is right or wrong. With all the sh!tshows went on, I came into the term that not everything needs to have a definitive answers while working on this.

Not to mention some Chinese people in SEA countries got their relatives in mainland China. Do you really you have the right to order them to bring themselves to hate their own families who resides in communist China? You can't. Asians values family more than politics or ideologies or extreme justice. But hey, good luck "saving" them out from communist China.

Peace in Europe after WWII? Was it? Want to be reminded about Hungary, Poland & Czechoslovakia uprisings?

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