Conqueror is Broken

[aAkula]

This ship is broken.

This is perhaps the most dumb downed ship I've seen, if you're not averaging above 100k Damage in this thing, you're doing something wrong.

Why would i even bother using AP when i can easy-mode with HE and still be rewarded with 200k+ games.

 

What a terrible decision to release this ship in its current state.

4 x Games

189k Average Damage

4 x Witherers

 

Boring.

[Jonesyrules15]

1 minute ago, aAkula said:

This ship is broken.

This is perhaps the most dumb downed ship I've seen, if you're not averaging above 100k Damage in this thing, you're doing something wrong.

Why would i even bother using AP when i can easy-mode with HE and still be rewarded with 200k+ games.

 

What a terrible decision to release this ship in its current state.

 

Welcome to the RN BB line.  Think this is a bad decision for the game.

[m373x]

>BBs complain about being HE spammed

>Turn BBs into HE spammers

>BBs have 1 less thing to complain about now that they are a part of it

 

Pranked by WG.

[FratStar4Life]

Sounds balanced comrade 

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

Let's wait and see the stats.

[aAkula]

I love farming as much as the next stat padder, although this is just broken easy mode.

Won't be long before high tier is flooded with these HE UK Battleships and angling or proper positioning is no longer a thing.

[HellaCopterRescue]

6 minutes ago, aAkula said:

This ship is broken.

 

4 x Games

189k Average Damage

4 x Witherers

 

Yep! I can't even go in my Moskva now.....I can tank AP shells all day everyday but when the Conq is dumbing 13k a salvo and two fires it becomes mute.

 

*sight*

[K1ra_Yoshikage]

Said the same a few days ago in the forum after I played the Lion at the PTS. The worst thing yesterday was that everyone start spaming HE 24/7 so it's only up to which sides burns down faster. Terrible idea from WG, really takes my mood away to play.

[DaChosen1FoSho]

Yep, i said it this morning. My thread got deleted.

 

I made another thread and look what happened. People want to argue with me.

 

 

[donaldEpott]

I am still using AP. I did change all my ships from Main Armaments Mod one too auxiliary armaments mod 1 to protect my secondaries and AA mounts.

[CaptGodzillaPig]

Every new release will be greater than the last.  Power creep.   Just another camping damage farming line added to the fleet.  Couple of games back this evening the end results had a Conq on both teams as the top scores.  I don't remember seeing either of them anywhere doing anything useful. 

[CaptGodzillaPig]

Honestly the real problem isn't the damage she does, it is the damage she repairs.  I had one dead to rights a few game back and the little bastard went from like nothing to half HP with a repair.  I can't put out the fires this thing is bringing and when I finally wrestle it down to a kill shot the fugger climbs back to half HP?  wth?  You can't fight that head on. 

[anonym_OlK73e329bMY]

10 minutes ago, CaptGodzillaPig said:

Honestly the real problem isn't the damage she does, it is the damage she repairs.  I had one dead to rights a few game back and the little bastard went from like nothing to half HP with a repair.  I can't put out the fires this thing is bringing and when I finally wrestle it down to a kill shot the fugger climbs back to half HP?  wth?  You can't fight that head on. 

Ram her hard.

[vonluckner]

46 minutes ago, CaptGodzillaPig said:

Every new release will be greater than the last.  Power creep.   Just another camping damage farming line added to the fleet.  Couple of games back this evening the end results had a Conq on both teams as the top scores.  I don't remember seeing either of them anywhere doing anything useful. 

 

Power creep implies an incremental increase over existing ships. Maybe this would be power creep if it was basically a Montana in every single way but concealment.

 

Conqueror is just [edited]insane. Literally the only relative weakness is to torps- but conveniently the low detection range tells you pretty quickly whether there's a DD within 12km of you anyways! So far my largest damage taken is 190k. Highest damage done 259k and average 153k. The HE on the 419s just chunks people down on top of having a massive fire chance.

 

I have no idea how they let it make it live. In what situation is any other BB better? The Gkurf is a pinata, the Yamato is impotent to do meaningful damage, and the Montana is just plain worse in every way except AA. Montana vs. Conqueror is absolutely pathetic. Any bow-on ship, especially those with worse concealment, get dumpstered by the crushing HE alpha and huge fire chance.

[SmokinCAT]

1 hour ago, HellaCopterRescue said:

Yep! I can't even go in my Moskva now.....I can tank AP shells all day everyday but when the Conq is dumbing 13k a salvo and two fires it becomes mute.

 

*sight*

Nikolai agrees with you at T4.

[CaptGodzillaPig]

6 hours ago, vonluckner said:

 

Power creep implies an incremental increase over existing ships. Maybe this would be power creep if it was basically a Montana in every single way but concealment.

 

Conqueror is just [edited]insane. Literally the only relative weakness is to torps- but conveniently the low detection range tells you pretty quickly whether there's a DD within 12km of you anyways! So far my largest damage taken is 190k. Highest damage done 259k and average 153k. The HE on the 419s just chunks people down on top of having a massive fire chance.

 

I have no idea how they let it make it live. In what situation is any other BB better? The Gkurf is a pinata, the Yamato is impotent to do meaningful damage, and the Montana is just plain worse in every way except AA. Montana vs. Conqueror is absolutely pathetic. Any bow-on ship, especially those with worse concealment, get dumpstered by the crushing HE alpha and huge fire chance.

Agree completely.  Though I would offer a different perspective and say that the ship isn't "broke" necessarily, as aA stated, but possibly just what high tier game play needed.  It is a game changer for sure.  It is just like when the only BB lines that roamed the seas were US and IJN.  Yammy was the undisputed king and any half baked potato (me) could roam around in her at will.  Then along came the KM line and simply just kicked everyone in the teeth.  It completely changed the landscape of BB play and added a completely different dimension to the game.  I see this as basically the same thing.  High T BB play had gotten pretty stagnant.  LIttle buffs and Nerfs up down the lines to different ship classes had little to no effect on changing that, so BOOM!...  Drop a completely different monster into the ring and put everyone on their heels.  Honestly I am shocked at how little damage my GK could do to her even hammering full salvos into her broadside inside 10k.  I would have obliterated any other BB doing the same thing, including another GK, and just couldn't get a good damage shot in.  ANNND, when I finally hammered long enough to finally whittle her down to thinking I was going to win that battle,  Flipping super repair kicks in and she is back to half her HP again.   It is certainly NOT a ship you want to go toe to toe with as there isn't another ship in the game that trade HP with her as it seems she has an unlimited pool to play with.   

[Pata1985]

8 hours ago, aAkula said:

This ship is broken.

This is perhaps the most dumb downed ship I've seen, if you're not averaging above 100k Damage in this thing, you're doing something wrong.

Why would i even bother using AP when i can easy-mode with HE and still be rewarded with 200k+ games.

 

What a terrible decision to release this ship in its current state.

4 x Games

189k Average Damage

4 x Witherers

 

Boring.

 

If the ship sucks, the entire community  goes mad (Graff Zep?) 

 

If the ship is OP, the entire community goes mad too.

 

 GG

[Cobraclutch]

16 minutes ago, Pata1985 said:

 

If the ship sucks, the entire community  goes mad (Graff Zep?) 

 

If the ship is OP, the entire community goes mad too.

 

 GG

Its not like a lot of players came out before she was released to say that it was broken... /s 

 

Many community members (Myself included) voiced concerns about the conq.  With the common "Oh stop over reacting response" 

 

Guess time well tell.. 

[Big_Spud]

Wow, we totally didn't see this coming from ten miles away.

[Pata1985]

I remember when RPF came out there was drama about it too

same with brit CL heal

Kaga planes

Belfast radar with smoke

USS black 

Missouri for being a BB with radar

 

and so on.

 

EDIT: oh and wait for deep water torps, the forums will be flooded with BB whining 24/7.

[Skpstr]

13 minutes ago, Pata1985 said:

 

If the ship sucks, the entire community  goes mad (Graff Zep?) 

 

If the ship is OP, the entire community goes mad too.

 

 GG

 

Ship is relatively well-balanced? No complaints.

 

Who'd have ever expected that people don't want extremes?

[VGLance]

8 hours ago, DaChosen1FoSho said:

Yep, i said it this morning. My thread got deleted.

 

I made another thread and look what happened. People want to argue with me.

 

 

 

I'm wondering how accurate of a representation those numbers are though.  I'm thinking most of the people who free xp'd to the Conqueror are well above the average in ability.  Takes a lot of free xp to get there and skilled players average a lot more free xp in the bank than those who are unskilled.  At least you would think that to be the case.  Bottom line is that while I agree the HE spamming concept is probably a step in the wrong direction from a gameplay/meta perspective, I'm more inclined to wait a few months before making judgments on brand new ship stats.

[centarina]

I don't think deep water torps will mean much.   Torps I dodge in my BBs are done pre-preemptively anyway via wasd hack.  rarely have enough time to dodge otherwise. 

 

I am respeccing lot of my captains for fire prevention  lol

[Cobraclutch]

8 minutes ago, Pata1985 said:

I remember when RPF came out there was drama about it too

same with brit CL heal

Kaga planes

Belfast radar with smoke

USS black 

Missouri for being a BB with radar

 

and so on.

 

EDIT: oh and wait for deep water torps, the forums will be flooded with BB whining 24/7.

 

 

RPF was a waste of dev time and resources, it was not needed or wanted by the community. 

 

CL Heal is ridiculous, as much as I enjoy using it I am able to see that its quite insane. 

 

Kaga - No opinion 

 

Belfast is OP AF 

 

Black is OP AF

 

Missouri is the strongest BB on NA, Beating its closest rival by 7% W/R (55% win rate) 

 

On EU it beats its closest rival by 6% W/R (56%) 

 

ON RU it beats its closest rival by 6% W/R (58%) 

 

and please don't start with  "well only good players have it" Its almost averaging the same amount of games as the other regular BB's from the Tech tree.

 

So maybe there was some valid reasons for that drama..

[Pata1985]

4 minutes ago, Cobraclutch said:

 

 

RPF was a waste of dev time and resources, it was not needed or wanted by the community. 

 

CL Heal is ridiculous, as much as I enjoy using it I am able to see that its quite insane. 

 

Kaga - No opinion 

 

Belfast is OP AF 

 

Black is OP AF

 

Missouri is the strongest BB on NA, Beating its closest rival by 7% W/R (55% win rate) 

 

On EU it beats its closest rival by 6% W/R (56%) 

 

ON RU it beats its closest rival by 6% W/R (58%) 

 

and please don't start with  "well only good players have it" Its almost averaging the same amount of games as the other regular BB's from the Tech tree.

 

So maybe there was some valid reasons for that drama..

 

And yet the game has continued with no problems.