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There really needs to be some option for play WITHOUT CVs. Low tier non CV games, a higher tier opt out , SOMETHING. Games with 2 T7 CVs are really not fun for anyone. When will WG realize the whole CV thing is a crappy mechanic. An RTS game laid over a shooter is just a bad idea. Face it WG, players are attracted to this game with the idea of ship vs. ship battles....then they spend 1/3 to 1/2 their game time dodging planes. Not a good way to keep players. 

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There really needs to be some option for play WITHOUT DDs. Low tier non DD games, a higher tier opt out, SOMETHING. Games with 5 T7 DDs are really not fun for anyone. When will WG realize the whole DD torpedo thing is a crappy mechanic. Etc etc.

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 I do not often give Lert a +1 (he has enough already) ; but when I do he truly deserves it !

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5 minutes ago, Lert said:

There really needs to be some option for play WITHOUT DDs. Low tier non DD games, a higher tier opt out, SOMETHING. Games with 5 T7 DDs are really not fun for anyone. When will WG realize the whole DD torpedo thing is a crappy mechanic. Etc etc.

I see what you did there .... :Smile_great:   +1

 

Agreed Lert those " insert random class of ship " are awful we should be able to avoid them! 

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Remember, if you can swap out a word to make it sound like something Hitler said, it's probably no bueno.

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There really needs to be an option to play without ships, they keep sinking me/

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Someone got touched by a good CV captain... or managed to be touched by a bad one....

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funny game in my ishizuchi last night when 2 cv's kept me pinned in the spawn doing circles the whole game. they recognized me from the previous match & deliberately targeted me. still managed to sink 2 potatoes...

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23 minutes ago, KalishniKat said:

There really needs to be some option for play WITHOUT CVs. Low tier non CV games, a higher tier opt out , SOMETHING. Games with 2 T7 CVs are really not fun for anyone. When will WG realize the whole CV thing is a crappy mechanic. An RTS game laid over a shooter is just a bad idea. Face it WG, players are attracted to this game with the idea of ship vs. ship battles....then they spend 1/3 to 1/2 their game time dodging planes. Not a good way to keep players. 

Reeeeeeeeeeeaaally? I want a mode to play every single game with a cv, even if its top tier.

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I want my USN AA to mean something. I demand a Play with CV option! :fish_haloween:

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Not everything is sunshine and roses for CV drivers.

 

T4-5 are special for reasons mentioned ad-infinitum, and no need to repeat here.

 

T6 and up;

 

A moment's inattention and a Strafe anhiliates your entire airgroup.

Perfectly set up manual bomb and torpedo attacks; watch target ruddershift itself out of the way anyway.

Set up your attack well against a target you shouldn't have any trouble with, then watch as RNG tells you to bugger off, and the target creams your squadron/airgroup with AA.

Watch a stupid, fat, ungainly floatplane panic an entire squadron.

Fly all over the map trying to attack something, only to discover that nearly everyone has defensive fire, AND that they remember they do, and also how to use it.

Watch as dive bombers can't hit the barn, FROM THE INSIDE, mostly just with autodrops, but occasionally even with manual drops.

Focus on all of the above, and don't notice the spotted ! icon, often, but thankfully not always, until it's too late to do anything about that destroyer or light cruiser coming to bother you.

Play half a game doing nothing more exciting than spotting, defending yourself or allies against an attack, and just waiting for flak to be stripped away, or mistakes to be made; all the while praying your team doesn't go full potato.

 

Yeah; CVs have it so easy.

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1 minute ago, Ecka_The_Wrecker said:

Cry me a river. I seem to recall CV's being at a few naval engagements in WW2. Learn to be situationaly aware of whats happening around you

 

Repulse and Prince of Wales....if they had met Kongo and Haruna..Epic Battle...instead sunk by planes

Tirpitz...had she come out and met with Murmansk run escorting BBs..Epic Battle..instead sunk by planes

Yamato and Musashi...had they met any other BBs..Epic Battle..instead sunk by planes

etc etc

 

We play the game for epic battles....instead we get sunk by planes. It's all so BORING.

 

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27 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

 

Watch a stupid, fat, ungainly floatplane panic an entire squadron.

 

 

This made me laugh WAY harder than it should have. +1

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39 minutes ago, KalishniKat said:

Repulse and Prince of Wales....if they had met Kongo and Haruna..Epic Battle...instead sunk by planes

Tirpitz...had she come out and met with Murmansk run escorting BBs..Epic Battle..instead sunk by planes

Yamato and Musashi...had they met any other BBs..Epic Battle..instead sunk by planes

And maybe the loss of the lives of thousands of sailors, ya see? Aircraft carriers are good.

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Not asking for CVs to be removed from the game. But a pure World War 1 mode with no CVs would be really nice. Instead it's a Nassau getting cross dropped by a Hosho...sooooo much fun right? And very engaging too. Much more fun than 2 WW1 BBs squaring off in a gunfight. 

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48 minutes ago, KalishniKat said:

 

Repulse and Prince of Wales....if they had met Kongo and Haruna..Epic Battle...instead sunk by planes

Tirpitz...had she come out and met with Murmansk run escorting BBs..Epic Battle..instead sunk by planes

Yamato and Musashi...had they met any other BBs..Epic Battle..instead sunk by planes

etc etc

 

We play the game for epic battles....instead we get sunk by planes. It's all so BORING.

 

Aircraft sank Battleships....What's the issue? Seriously your like the Big Gun Admirals who all followed Mahan's logic and just made big fat and easy targets to be sunk by aircraft that far outranged your guns.

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Just now, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

Aircraft sank Battleships....What's the issue? Seriously your like the Big Gun Admirals who all followed Mahan's logic and just made big fat and easy targets to be sunk by aircraft that far outranged your guns.

That's the point of the game for MANY players...big gun battles that never happened, reanacted on a fantasy arcade game.....but no it's dodge planes for half the game.

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2 hours ago, Lert said:

There really needs to be some option for play WITHOUT DDs. Low tier non DD games, a higher tier opt out, SOMETHING. Games with 5 T7 DDs are really not fun for anyone. When will WG realize the whole DD torpedo thing is a crappy mechanic. Etc etc.

Yknow Lert, maybe you need to stow yer pedantic streak.  The OP's point is one more and more players are echoing; despite the constant poopooing elitists fire at them.  The mechanic of CVs in this game is just plain bloody broken - as noted, RTS laid atop of FPS.  It gives the game a huge identity crises to say the least; with immense frustration to players across the spectrum.  CVs don't have to contend with RNG for their torps, get live RTS control for all aircraft (which, of course, happened exactly f***ing never anywhere in the real world), don't have to deal with accidents etc on  the flight deck, and generally are a huge problem in the game; followed up by cloaking DDs and the ever abused ever so broken fire mechanic.

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1 hour ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Not everything is sunshine and roses for CV drivers.

 

 

Have to agree with Estimated_prophet here.

Folks seem to think that CV players just point, click, and then collect massive rewards and ribbons.

Not so not so!

Especially if you are downtiered against ships with massive AA, and even sometimes when you're equally tiered, you can watch your squadrons disappear from the map before you even know who or what is doing it.

Sometimes dogfighting against enemy fighters, your squadrons just disappear even though you have all the fighter boosting commander skills as well as the fighter health boost module. Did the enemy just have super fighters? Were you in range of some enemy ship AA you didn't realize? Are your pilots both blindfolded and splashing themselves with the scalding insides of a hot pocket at the same time they are trying to fly their planes? Who knows!?!

Then there's the BBs who seem to have rudders that move farther than 90 degrees in one direction when your torp bombers get near them. Bombers that think their mission is to create rainbows in the water splash next to the enemy ship with their bombs instead of, you know, hitting them.

No, the life of a CV captain is hardly point, click, and collect. It's frustrating sometimes. But the good games make it worth it.

 

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5 minutes ago, Junkieturtle said:

But the good games make it worth it.

 

Have had good games in Randoms, games in Co-op where everyone but me dies and I'm trying to stop all the bots that are left before the burn me to the waterline or torp me to death, (probably been a few games where people left expecting a loss, only to find out they got a win, thanks to 'that poor CV that doesn't stand a chance now,) and of course OPs; where much intensity has been had...

 

...secondary dueling the Izumo in Newport with my Ryujo because it managed to get that close was fun!

 

So yeah; so much "WHY THE FLIP AM I PLAYING CVS???" then you get one of those good games.

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People seem to think if you complain about CVs then you're just not good and they always sink you. Not so...the biggest issue is they tend to ruin the fun of anyone who is not a CV. Got a good battle going? Oops have to veer wildly off course to avoid planes,now you're out of the fight for a while...fun fun. People also HATE the fact that the CV, by WGs own admission sits safely out of reach while they crap all over other players. At least tie in downed planes to the health of the carrier. It's essentially a cowardly mechanic. I guess some players find it fun to park far far away safe from harm and crap on the game of others. That's just wrong.

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2 hours ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Not everything is sunshine and roses for CV drivers.

 

CVs aren't sunshine and roses for anyone, even the people playing them.

 

They're only fun under specific circumstances, and besides matches where it's USN strike vs USN strike, it's only ever going to be fun for one of the CVs.

 

CVs as a whole were a poorly conceived mechanic, and I have zero confidence in WG's ability to urn them into anything that works.

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