Graf Zeppelin Isn't Doing Too Hot OnThe EU Forums

[Captain_Doll]

Our CCs have not reviewed the Graf Zeppelin yet. But it looks like people from EU are not liking it. See https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/85549-graf-zeppelin-is-an-insult-to-paying-customers/?page=3

Further, some of the comments on the WOWS EU website are just down right hilarious. One player wrote: "Stick it in--- where the sun doesn't shine...
Nice Wargaming - ruined a very good looking and promising ship, you (bleep) it up LIKE the awesome Enterprise!" Another player said: "Yay for the worst T8 CV! This thing gets completely shut down by 1/1/1 Lexington."

And this guy's "summary" was not good.  https://clips.twitch.tv/SuccessfulSparklingPeachStoneLightning

Well, I look forward to our CCs reviews (looking at you LMW, Notster, and Ichase).

 

[Airglide2]

If I find out that the sales numbers for this ship is the same as a regular, ok released premium, then personally, the EU community has no ground to complain.  I mean none.  They wanna make a statement, have them not buy the damn thing.

[UnseenSpectacle]

Early things I have heard on reddit make me think WG should look at how to actually make CV play work instead of coming up with all these trick premiums. It is really getting silly that they have released 3 premium CVs this year and still have not addressed the core issues with CV play. Oh well, as someone from reddit said, "the C in Wargaming stands for competence."

[HazeGrayUnderway]

15 minutes ago, Captain_Doll said:

Our CCs have not reviewed the Graf Zeppelin yet. But it looks like people from EU are not liking it. See https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/85549-graf-zeppelin-is-an-insult-to-paying-customers/?page=3

Further, some of the comments on the WOWS EU website are just down right hilarious. One player wrote: "Stick it in--- where the sun doesn't shine...
Nice Wargaming - ruined a very good looking and promising ship, you (bleep) it up LIKE the awesome Enterprise!" Another player said: "Yay for the worst T8 CV! This thing gets completely shut down by 1/1/1 Lexington."

And this guy's "summary" was not good.  https://clips.twitch.tv/SuccessfulSparklingPeachStoneLightning

Well, I look forward to our CCs reviews (looking at you LMW, Notster, and Ichase).

 

 

German Destroyers got gibbed just before release, hell after people made preview videos on them.

[StoptheViolins]

I expect it to get the "well it wasn't performing as intended so...." reality buff patch.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

People wanted dive bombing Stukas.  Well, you got your dive bombing Stukas alright.

[Mr_Alex]

1 minute ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

People wanted dive bombing Stukas.  Well, you got your dive bombing Stukas alright.

I actually asked for JU87C Torpedo bombers 

[Doomlock]

This is just odd. Like, they haven't done something like this since the German DD fiasco.

 

It just does not make sense.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Just now, Mr_Alex said:

I actually asked for JU87C Torpedo bombers 

 

Oh, I was firmly in the 2/3/0 torp bomber camp.  But I was actually willing to accept and buy the 2/0/3 GZ.  Then even THAT got nerfed!

 

 

[awiggin]

3 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

This is just odd. Like, they haven't done something like this since the German DD fiasco.

 

It just does not make sense.

 

Trying to rush too much stuff out?

[Captain_Dorja]

10 minutes ago, UnseenSpectacle said:

Oh well, as someone from reddit said, "the C in Wargaming stands for competence."

 

That is fookin savage.

[Big_Spud]

This ship was such a cluster [edited] to even balance properly in the first place, no wonder they ended up ruining it in the end.

[Xwing_Red1]

It only confirms one thing, It went from overpowered to wrecked. Plus, now it is useless to frain a captain for Torpedo Acceleration with such CV

[BaronVonTom]

So is it true that the testers on eu didn't get to test it and review it?  And is it also true that our testers didn't get to test it and review it???  Not sure what to think until I know more.  Seems like EU is pretty mad though.

[TheKrimzonDemon]

4 minutes ago, BaronVonTom said:

So is it true that the testers on eu didn't get to test it and review it?  And is it also true that our testers didn't get to test it and review it???  Not sure what to think until I know more.  Seems like EU is pretty mad though.

Of course that's not true, we've even had a number of players on the forums talking about playing against one.

 

Oh, and the EU makes us look fairly sane, so.

[MaliceA4Thought]

4 minutes ago, TheKrimzonDemon said:

Of course that's not true, we've even had a number of players on the forums talking about playing against one.

 

Oh, and the EU makes us look fairly sane, so.

To the best of my knowledge, and am happy to be corrected.. the GZ was tested by the CC's but in a previous itteration with TB's as well as DB's in a different loadout.  WG seemed to think the results were not what they wanted and changed the loadouts and the specs for the bombs and removed the TB's.   Since that happened, I don't believe the CC's have had access to the ship to look at it so there are NO reviews of the ship as actually released and little if any testing was done with the current itteration.

M

[BaronVonTom]

2 minutes ago, MaliceA4Thought said:

To the best of my knowledge, and am happy to be corrected.. the GZ was tested by the CC's but in a previous itteration with TB's as well as DB's in a different loadout.  WG seemed to think the results were not what they wanted and changed the loadouts and the specs for the bombs.   Sincxe that happened, I don't believe the CC's have had access to the ship to test it so there are NO reviews of the ship as actually released and little if any testing was done with the current itteration.

M

Yea, this is what I had heard also.  If that is true....what's the darn purpose of having testers?  This makes no sense.  IS WG not proud enough of this ship to have our testers and reviewers do their thing?  It brings up way too many questions now.

[anonym_Hf93Jbjm9WjT]

This is sad, poor Graf Zep. Whatever, a beautiful ship, I will buy it, when they put it on sale for the price of a t6.

[Dictonary]

25 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

This is just odd. Like, they haven't done something like this since the German DD fiasco.

 

It just does not make sense.

Well, they really must not like German ships... Except for the BBs. 

With seriuosness... All the offensive power are dive bombers?

[Stampz]

2 minutes ago, Dictonary said:

Well, they really must not like German ships... Except for the BBs. 

With seriuosness... All the offensive power are dive bombers?

Are they at least AP bombs?  Cause those things hurt.

[Dictonary]

1 minute ago, Stampz said:

Are they at least AP bombs?  Cause those things hurt.

Both.

[MaliceA4Thought]

10 minutes ago, Dictonary said:

Well, they really must not like German ships... Except for the BBs. 

With seriuosness... All the offensive power are dive bombers?

yep all DB's so as a premium ship it is of no use having a captain trained in TT skills.   In addition, it seems that the bomb drop time has been increased to 9 seconds.  They are AP bombs but a 9 sec drop is a long lead and gives plenty of time to get out of the way.  I believe you can choose between HE and AP bombs but not change during the match.

There is also an issue  (needs to be confirmed) that if a plane drops it's bomb, but is killed before the bomb hits the target (i.e in that 9 second drop period).. the bomb dissapears with the aircraft so it cannot hit.  (This is not factually proven yet but suspected)

M

[Hurlbut]

2 minutes ago, Stampz said:

Are they at least AP bombs?  Cause those things hurt.

9 seconds from when the dive bombers reach the drop circle to the actual bomb drop.

 

edited; was off by 1 second on the drop time.

[BaronVonTom]

8 minutes ago, MaliceA4Thought said:

 

There is also an issue  (needs to be confirmed) that if a plane drops it's bomb, but is killed before the bomb hits the target.. the bomb dissapears with the aircraft so it cannot hit.  (This is not factually proven yet but suspected)

M

Wow, if this is true that is really messed up.  

 

7 minutes ago, Hurlbut said:

9 seconds from when the dive bombers reach the drop circle to the actual bomb drop.

 

edited; was off by 1 second on the drop time.

How does a tier 8 cv that will be facing massive aa to just get the planes into a target, than faces a 9 second drop on what will surely be a maneuvering target (except potatos) be fun to play?  And we will buy this ship why?  This is why it is sooooo important to have good cv players and reviewers involved AFTER the changes.

[BladedPheonix]

worst part is they've redone it like what, 3 times already? Then again WG hasn't always been the best when it comes to fixing things!