85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #1 Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) now, I have come across old black and white photos of the two ships and some of them are in Port...with Triple turrets on both ships....All Around.... now,my question is......when are the turret upgrades coming? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Gneisenau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Scharnhorst I know I am going to get some hate from poeple over wiki..but I did some digging...and found Authentic Information.... http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2006/06/stuff_eng_photo_scharnhorst_gneisenau.htm Edited August 14, 2017 by AngelOfWarAndDeath Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,106 [ERN] MajorRenegade Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 10,906 posts 4,896 battles Report post #2 Posted August 14, 2017 never, Wg made them that way on purpose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,448 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,823 posts 26,906 battles Report post #3 Posted August 14, 2017 Both ships were designed for the double 15" turrets that Gneisenau has in game, but got the triple 11" turrets of Scharnhorst because there weren't enough 15" guns available. Gneisenau was in the middle of the upgrade to said 15" guns when work was halted on order of Hitler. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #4 Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, MajorRenegade said: never, Wg made them that way on purpose well,I am going to bust their chops until they get it right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,287 [WG-CC] SireneRacker -Members-, Members 9,101 posts 8,050 battles Report post #5 Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: well,I am going to bust their chops until they get it right... The gun layout on Gneisenau that we see in-game is not wrong, it just hasn't been exercised in history due to some stuff that happened. Like Gneisenau's conversion (which would've given her the 15 inchers) being halted after Hitler had (yet another) rage, and on top of that a bomb blowing up her ammunition magazine rendering the hull useless unless you would spend a crap ton of resources, which Germany didn't have, to rebuild it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
825 [ARMDA] Unabletony Members 9,004 posts 6,651 battles Report post #6 Posted August 14, 2017 What all the others said.WG h ha s said they will never put the 283mm for Gniesenau. You have Scharn for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,448 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,823 posts 26,906 battles Report post #7 Posted August 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: well,I am going to bust their chops until they get it right... Yeah, goodluck. You've got more of a chance to talk down ISIS from being asshats. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,693 [FOXEH] BladedPheonix Alpha Tester 6,885 posts 22,222 battles Report post #8 Posted August 14, 2017 someone didn't use the search function before posting a thread again! BTW this subjects been beating so much they had to get 3 new dead horses for the masses to beat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #9 Posted August 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Unabletony said: What all the others said.WG h ha s said they will never put the 283mm for Gniesenau. You have Scharn for that. oh,I did not know that Sharnhorst had 283mm guns...I thought back then Germany knew batter than to put lower caliber on BB's..I guess Karl Donitz had his reasons,since he was running the Navy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #10 Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, BladedPheonix said: someone didn't use the search function before posting a thread again! BTW this subjects been beating so much they had to get 3 new dead horses for the masses to beat! Good bring more!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #11 Posted August 14, 2017 The photo's I linked at the bottom form the album website..is genuine..I found books with pictures that sum it up and prove it is genuine... on top of that Gneisenau was built using the twin Turrets..later on they upgraded her twin turrets to triple turrets.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,287 [WG-CC] SireneRacker -Members-, Members 9,101 posts 8,050 battles Report post #12 Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: The photo's I linked at the bottom form the album website..is genuine..I found books with pictures that sum it up and prove it is genuine... on top of that Gneisenau was built using the twin Turrets..later on they upgraded her twin turrets to triple turrets.. ... what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #13 Posted August 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: The photo's I linked at the bottom form the album website..is genuine..I found books with pictures that sum it up and prove it is genuine... on top of that Gneisenau was built using the twin Turrets..later on they upgraded her twin turrets to triple turrets.. No. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were built with the three triple 283mm guns, with a planned in the future upgrade to three dual 380mm guns. Scharnhorst never received the upgrade, and Gneisenau had the work started on her by enlarging her bow and barbettes, but never received the 15" guns and was left unfinished. Also what? 9 x 11" guns left over from canceled pocket battleships?!? NO. No no no! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
185 [-DPF-] Nhi_Vanye Members 774 posts 11,104 battles Report post #14 Posted August 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: oh,I did not know that Sharnhorst had 283mm guns...I thought back then Germany knew batter than to put lower caliber on BB's..I guess Karl Donitz had his reasons,since he was running the Navy... Sorry to say, you need to do a bit more research before you post. At the time that Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were built, Erich Raeder was the commander of the Kriegsmarine, and Karl Donetz was in charge of the U-boat fleet. That remained true for most of the war. As others have pointed out, the decision on arming these ships came down to availability of the weapons when the ships were ready to mount them rather than an intended design choice. These vessels were seen by the German government as an important bolster to national pride, so delivering them late was not an option that the admirals would likely have survived. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #15 Posted August 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, SireneRacker said: ... what? http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2006/06/stuff_eng_photo_scharnhorst_gneisenau.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,562 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,292 posts 14,496 battles Report post #16 Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) I don't see this going anywhere... Edited August 14, 2017 by Kapitan_Wuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,287 [WG-CC] SireneRacker -Members-, Members 9,101 posts 8,050 battles Report post #17 Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2006/06/stuff_eng_photo_scharnhorst_gneisenau.htm The only twin turrets I see there are 15cm guns, 10.5 cm guns and some AA guns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #18 Posted August 14, 2017 ok,Well I want the upgrade added to Gneisenau and Sharnhorst eventually..this is a game..not real life with a set of dates between her construction and sinking .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,521 [WOLF7] awiggin Members 12,620 posts Report post #19 Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) well,I am going to bust their chops until they get it right... Confused about the difference between a Sim and an ARCADE game? Edited August 14, 2017 by awiggin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #20 Posted August 14, 2017 nope...it is simple all upgrades about a ship should be added eventually... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,521 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 14,340 posts Report post #21 Posted August 14, 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,287 [WG-CC] SireneRacker -Members-, Members 9,101 posts 8,050 battles Report post #22 Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: nope...it is simple all upgrades about a ship should be added eventually... Including Iowa with her missile refits, adding Tomahawks, CIWS and whatever? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #23 Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, AngelOfWarAndDeath said: nope...it is simple all upgrades about a ship should be added eventually... The devs already stated that Scharnhorst will retain her 11" guns and not get 15" guns, and that Gneisenau will not get 11" guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #24 Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, RipNuN2 said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 AngelOfWarAndDeath Members 348 posts 5,278 battles Report post #25 Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SireneRacker said: Including Iowa with her missile refits, adding Tomahawks, CIWS and whatever? no....lol if you want that modern day tech you will all need to ask for two separate matchmakers...one for the old designs and the other with the new mounted future tech....I am not going to be in my ?Bismarck or any other ships before 1945 with none of that tech going up against a Iowa or Missouri with their tech...no way... either make two mm's and divide between periods and era's...or give all ships their planned future tech with nukes so the game may die... Edited August 14, 2017 by AngelOfWarAndDeath Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
