Is it possible to have a commonwealth Battleship line in WOWS?

[Mr_Alex]

I have been pondering about this lately since Perth has been only ship released for the Commonwealth Navy in World of Warships, I have been wondering if it is possible to have a Commonwealth Battleship Line, here are the potential candidates:

HMAS Australia (1911) Indefatigable Class Battlecruiser (T3?)

HMAS Australia was one of three Indefatigable-class battlecruisers built for the defence of the British Empire. Ordered by the Australian government in 1909, she was launched in 1911, and commissioned as flagship of the fledgling Royal Australian Navy (RAN) in 1913. Australia was the only capital ship ever to serve in the RAN.^[A]

At the start of World War I, Australia was tasked with finding and destroying the German East Asia Squadron, which was prompted to withdraw from the Pacific by the battlecruiser's presence. Repeated diversions to support the capture of German colonies in New Guinea and Samoa, as well as an overcautious Admiralty, prevented the battlecruiser from engaging the German squadron before the latter's destruction. Australia was then assigned to North Sea operations, which consisted primarily of patrols and exercises, until the end of the war. During this time, Australia was involved in early attempts at naval aviation, and 11 of her personnel participated in the Zeebrugge Raid. The battlecruiser was not at the Battle of Jutland, as she was undergoing repairs following a collision with sister ship HMS New Zealand. Australia only ever fired in anger twice: at a German merchant vessel in January 1915, and at a suspected submarine contact in December 1917.

On her return to Australian waters, several sailors aboard the warship mutinied after a request for an extra day's leave in Fremantle was denied, although other issues played a part in the mutiny, including minimal leave during the war, problems with pay, and the perception that Royal Navy personnel were more likely to receive promotions than Australian sailors. Post-war budget cuts saw Australia's role downgraded to a training ship before she was placed in reserve in 1921. The disarmament provisions of the Washington Naval Treaty required the destruction of Australia as part of the British Empire's commitment, and she was scuttled off Sydney Heads in 1924.

General characteristics
Class and type:	Indefatigable-class battlecruiser
Displacement:	18,500 long tons (18,800 t) at load 22,130 long tons (22,490 t) at deep load
Length:	590 ft (179.8 m)
Beam:	80 ft (24.4 m)
Draught:	30 ft 4 in (9.2 m) at maximum
Installed power:	44,000 shp (32,811 kW)
Propulsion:	Four-shaft Parsons direct-drive steam turbines, 31 Babcock & Wilcox boilers
Speed:	25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range:	6,690 nautical miles (12,390 km; 7,700 mi) at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph)
Complement:	820
Armament:	4 × 2 – BL 12-inch Mk X guns 16 × 1 – BL 4-inch Mk VII guns 2 × 1 – submerged 18-inch torpedo tubes
Armour:	Belt: 4–6 in (102–152 mm) Decks: 1.5–2.5 in (38–64 mm) Barbettes: 7 in (178 mm) Turrets: 7 in (178 mm) Conning tower: 4–10 in (102–254 mm) Torpedo bulkheads: 2.5 in (64 mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Australia_(1911)

HMS New Zealand (1911) (T3?):

HMS New Zealand was one of three Indefatigable-class battlecruisers built for the defence of the British Empire. Launched in 1911, the ship was funded by the government of New Zealand as a gift to Britain,^[2] and she was commissioned into the Royal Navy in 1912. She had been intended for the China Station, but was released by the New Zealand government at the request of the Admiralty for service in British waters.

During 1913, New Zealand was sent on a ten-month tour of the British Dominions, with an emphasis on a visit to her namesake nation. She was back in British waters at the start of World War I, and operated as part of the Royal Navy's Grand Fleet, in opposition to the German High Seas Fleet. During the war, the battlecruiser participated in all three of the major North Sea battles—Heligoland Bight, Dogger Bank, and Jutland—and was involved in the response to the inconclusive Raid on Scarborough, and the Second Battle of Heligoland Bight. New Zealand contributed to the destruction of two cruisers during her wartime service and was hit by enemy fire only once, sustaining no casualties; her status as a "lucky ship" was attributed by the crew to a Māori piupiu (warrior's skirt) and hei-tiki (pendant) worn by the captain during battle.

After the war, New Zealand was sent on a second world tour, this time to allow Admiral John Jellicoe to review the naval defences of the Dominions. In 1920, the battlecruiser was placed in reserve. She was broken up for scrap in 1922 in order to meet Britain's tonnage limit in the disarmament provisions of the Washington Naval Treaty.

General characteristics
Class and type:	Indefatigable-class battlecruiser
Displacement:	18,500 long tons (18,800 t) at normal load 22,130 long tons (22,490 t) at deep load
Length:	590 ft 3.5 in (179.9 m)
Beam:	80 ft (24.4 m)
Draught:	27 ft (8.2 m)
Installed power:	44,000 shp (33,000 kW) 31 Babcock & Wilcox boilers[1]
Propulsion:	4 shafts; 2 steam turbine sets[1]
Speed:	25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range:	6,690 nmi (12,390 km; 7,700 mi) at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph)
Complement:	800[1]
Armament:	4 × twin 12-inch (305 mm) guns 16 × single 4-inch (102 mm) guns 2 × single 18-inch (450 mm) torpedo tubes
Armour:	Belt: 4–6 in (102–152 mm)[1] Decks: 1–2.5 in (25–64 mm)[1] Barbettes: 7 in (178 mm)[1] Turrets: 7 in (178 mm)[1] Conning tower: 4–10 in (102–254 mm)[1] Torpedo bulkheads: 2.5 in (64 mm)[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_New_Zealand_(1911)

T4? open to suggestion

HMS Canada actual name Almirante Latorre (T5?)

Almirante Latorre, named after Juan José Latorre, was a super-dreadnought battleship built for the Chilean Navy (Armada de Chile). She was the first of a planned two-ship class that would respond to earlier warship purchases by other South American countries. Construction began at Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne soon after the ship was ordered in November 1911, and was approaching completion when she was bought by the United Kingdom's Royal Navy for use in the First World War. Commissioned in September 1915, she served in the Grand Fleet as HMS Canada for the duration of the war and saw action during the Battle of Jutland.

Chile repurchased Canada in 1920. She took back her original name of Almirante Latorre, and served as the Chilean flagship and frequently as presidential transport. She underwent a thorough modernization in the United Kingdom in 1929–1931.

General characteristics
Class and type:	Almirante Latorre-class battleship
Displacement:	25,000 long tons (25,401 t) standard 32,000 long tons (32,514 t) full load
Length:	625 ft (191 m)
Beam:	92.5 ft (28.2 m)
Draught:	33 ft (10 m)
Propulsion:	21 Yarrow boilers Low pressure Parsons and High pressure Brown-Curtis steam turbines 37,000 shp (27,591 kW) Coal and oil fuel
Speed:	22.75 knots (42.13 km/h; 26.18 mph)
Complement:	834 officers and men
Armament:	10 × 14 in (356 mm)/45 caliber BL guns 16 × 6 in (152 mm) guns 2 × 3 in (76 mm) anti-aircraft guns 4 × 47 mm (1.9 in) guns 4 × 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes (submerged)
Armor:	Belt: 9 in (230 mm) Deck: 1.5 in (38 mm) Barbette: 10 in (250 mm) Turret: 10 in (250 mm) Conning tower: 11 in (280 mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_battleship_Almirante_Latorre

HMS Malaya 1916 (T6?):

As built Hull A

1920s post modernization until scrapping in 1948 at Metal Industries in Faslane Scotland (Hull B):

Malaya was built by Sir W. G. Armstrong Whitworth and Company at High Walker and launched in March 1915. She was named in honour of the Federated Malay States in British Malaya, whose government paid for her construction. She served in Rear-Admiral Hugh Evan-Thomas's 5th Battle Squadron of the Grand Fleet. She took part in the Battle of Jutland, on 31 May 1916,^[7] where she was hit eight times and took major damage and heavy crew casualties. A total of 65 men died, in the battle or later of their injuries. Among the wounded was Able Seaman Willie Vicarage, notable as one of the first men to receive facial reconstruction using plastic surgery and the first to receive radical reconstruction via the "tubed pedicule" technique pioneered by Sir Harold Gillies.^[8] Uniquely among the ships at the battle, HMS Malaya flew the red-white-black-yellow ensign of the Federated Malay States.

General characteristics (as built)
Class and type:	Queen Elizabeth-class battleship
Displacement:	32,590 long tons (33,110 t) 33,260 long tons (33,790 t) (Deep load)
Length:	643 ft 9 in (196.2 m)
Beam:	90 ft 7 in (27.6 m)
Draught:	33 ft (10.1 m)
Installed power:	75,000 shp (56,000 kW) 24 Yarrow boilers
Propulsion:	4 Shafts 2 Steam turbine sets
Speed:	24 knots (44 km/h; 28 mph)
Range:	5,000 nmi (9,260 km; 5,750 mi) at 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph)
Complement:	1,217 (1919)
Armament:	4 × twin 15-inch (381 mm) guns 14 × single 6-inch (152 mm) guns 2 × single 3-inch (76 mm) 20 cwt AA guns 4 × 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes
Armour:	Waterline belt: 13 in (330 mm) Deck: 1–3 in (25–76 mm) Barbettes: 7–10 in (178–254 mm) Gun turrets: 11–13 in (279–330 mm) Conning tower: 13 in (330 mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Malaya

I think it won't be a bad idea to have a discussion on this as it is just a idea to the Commonwealth Battleship tree or tech line

[Kapitan_Wuff]

I believe WG recently said they have no plans for a commonwealth line.

[Sovereigndawg]

Just now, Kapitan_Wuff said:

I believe WG recently said they have no plans for a commonwealth line.

They may add more premiums to the Commonwealth ship (I was going to say ships). I suppose a Battleship would not be out of the question. Haida I think it's called, will probably be next, Many Canadian's want it badly.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

1 minute ago, Sovereigndawg said:

They may add more premiums to the Commonwealth ship (I was going to say ships). I suppose a Battleship would not be out of the question. Haida I think it's called, will probably be next, Many Canadian's want it badly.

 

If the next commonwealth ship isn't the Haida then the Canadians may riot worse than the Americans over Alabamagate.

[Sovereigndawg]

1 minute ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

 

If the next commonwealth ship isn't the Haida then the Canadians may riot worse than the Americans over Alabamagate.

I was right there for the riots front and center, I don't know if I am proud of that or not, but I do have the Alabama.

[Super_Dreadnought]

HMS New Zealand, HMS Canada and HMS Malaya never served with a Commonwealth navy. It'd be like saying that USS Winston Churchill was a British ship.

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

I vote for the New Zealand, just because she got to fight a Jutland...

 

Plus, I'm a wanna be Kiwi. No really, ever since I first saw Lord of the Rings, I've been learning about this place. Can we have an All Blacks camo? (does Haka) 

 

Nobody on this server knows what I'm talking about do they? 

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

27 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

I believe WG recently said they have no plans for a commonwealth line.

 

If canucks start spending money on the game like crazy WG will put in a CV line for Canada before the UK. 

[Stauffenberg44]

32 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

 

If the next commonwealth ship isn't the Haida then the Canadians may riot worse than the Americans over Alabamagate.

Nah we don't riot. We have healthcare and are unarmed.

[MajorRenegade]

it possible, that not stopping them from creating a pan asia tech tree

[Kapitan_Wuff]

2 minutes ago, Stauffenberg44 said:

Nah we don't riot. We have healthcare and are unarmed.

 

My bad, let me fix that.

 

36 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

 

If the next commonwealth ship isn't the Haida then the Canadians may queue orderly to politely express their disappointment in a constructive manner quite unlike the Americans over Alabamagate.

 

[Pelt_Insurance]

32 minutes ago, Sir_Davos_Seaworth said:

I vote for the New Zealand, just because she got to fight a Jutland...

 

Plus, I'm a wanna be Kiwi. No really, ever since I first saw Lord of the Rings, I've been learning about this place. Can we have an All Blacks camo? (does Haka) 

 

Nobody on this server knows what I'm talking about do they? 

That bloody ship almost bankrupted New Zealand, plus it was only in service for 14 years. Its not exactly something us Kiwi's look fondly on, nor would we want to see it as premium in game.

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

1 minute ago, han16 said:

That bloody ship almost bankrupted New Zealand, plus it was only in service for 14 years. Its not exactly something us Kiwi's look fondly on, nor would we want to see it as premium in game.

Air NZ sponsored BB?

 

 

[Stauffenberg44]

5 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

 

My bad, let me fix that.

 

 

lol, we actually threw shoes at the lobby of the hotel Dubya Bush was giving a speech at here in Montreal--that's pretty rad. Damn those were good chucks too.

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

14 minutes ago, Stauffenberg44 said:

Nah we don't riot. We have healthcare and are unarmed.

 

Oh yeah? NEVER FORGET!!!

 

 

 

[WanderingGhost]

Battleships I find.... unlikely. Commonwealth I think would more likely get a line of cruisers/destroyers as a tech tree as opposed to just premiums, those I think they actually had enough ship types of. That said, it'd likely be on the totem poll above any CV line that isn't USN, IJN, and UK. But below finishing out UK, Italy, France, getting Pan-Asia done like they said they are looking to do and Russian battleships.

[Mr_Alex]

1 hour ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

HMS New Zealand, HMS Canada and HMS Malaya never served with a Commonwealth navy. It'd be like saying that USS Winston Churchill was a British ship.

Not true, they actually did serve with the Royal Navy and also their respective Governments at that time paid for their construction as well

[Stauffenberg44]

Lemieux of course. lol

And poor John Candy.

[Lonewolfpj]

Yeah I just think it would work. Maybe you can do a CA line but that's it.

[Trainspite]

16 minutes ago, Mr_Alex said:

Not true, they actually did serve with the Royal Navy and also their respective Governments at that time paid for their construction as well

 

Not with. In is what matters here. All of the above were commissioned in the Royal Navy, Australia being the only one not to. 

Perth served with the RN, but wasn't part of it, at least under the name Perth. Just as an example.

 

It would be ideal to keep the ships of the commonwealth to those that served in the RAN/RCN/RNZN etc.

[Super_Dreadnought]

26 minutes ago, Mr_Alex said:

Not true, they actually did serve with the Royal Navy and also their respective Governments at that time paid for their construction as well

 

The 'Commonwealth nation' in WoWs represents ships which served with Britain's dominions, such as the HMAS Perth which was operated by the Royal Australian Navy, and very likely HMCS Haida which was operate by the Royal Canadian Navy. 

 

HMS New Zealand was funded by the New Zealand government, but spent her career in service to the British Royal Navy. Also the RNZN was not founded until 1941 well after HMS New Zealand was long scrapped.

 

HMS Canada was a Chilean ship ordered by Chile as the Almirante Latorre class and built for Chile. It was purchased by Great Britain to shore up the numbers during WW1 and spent time with the British as HMS Canada. After WW1 it was sold back to Chile, where Almirante Latorre lived out the rest of her days. The Canadian government and the RCN had absolutely nothing to do with her. If anything Almirante Latorre should appear in a Pan South American line representing Chile, and not the Commonwealth line.

 

HMS Malaya was funded by the colony of Malaya which was not a dominion or independent at the time. Malaya spent her life in the service of the British Royal Navy.

 

 

The only choice for a Commonwealth battleship is just HMAS Australia.

[Wolcott]

1 hour ago, han16 said:

Its not exactly something us Kiwi's look fondly on, nor would we want to see it as premium in game.

You speak for all Kiwi players do you?

 

19 minutes ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

The only choice for a Commonwealth battleship is just HMAS Australia.

HMAS Australia seems a no-brainer. But WG's attention is on a Pan Asia line.

[Mr_Alex]

1 minute ago, Wolcott said:

You speak for all Kiwi players do you?

 

HMAS Australia seems a no-brainer. But WG's attention is on a Pan Asia line.

Actually there is support from the NZ players who play this game that HMS New Zealand does appear in game

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

6 hours ago, SparvieroVV said:

Air NZ sponsored BB?

 

 

 

 

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

An all black ship with the silver fern would be better than some silly Japanese cruiser with a dragon. Although if WoT is to go by at some point premiums will be sold based on a skin people can manually apply instead. Ignore the reskinned Hipper in the room. 

 

 

Note: This joke meant in jest only! No negative waves where meant to be emanated.