Mutsuki vs Minekaze

[warpath_33]

Which ship would more experienced players consider the better ship in their current state? I personally prefer the Mutsuki since all the Minekaze does better is a higher top speed, having 3x2 torpedo tubes to the Mutsuki's 2x3 tubes and a faster torpedo reload. The Mutsuki has a faster turret traverse, Much better AA defense (50 dps vs 4 dps) and overall better torps (worse detection though), faster reload on the 2 guns that it does have, and better concealment. I never got to play either ship before the IJN DD rearrangement, and my best ship probably would have been the Karlsruhe at the time.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

Don't think I have played either since they rearranged them. Before the line split Minekaze was definitely better, though I don't think Mutsuki deserved it's nickname either.

[Doomlock]

Minekaze has better utility with her speed and number of launchers, plus a slightly better gun defense. 

 

Mutsuki is a better torpedo boat with longer range and faster torpedoes, plus having a better AA suite.

[ExploratorOne]

Mutsuki is in the torpedo line.

Minekaze is in the gunboat line.

 

As in the other lines, a lot depends on your high tier goals.

Mutsuki (main line) takes you to the Tier 10 Shimakaze - torp focused.

Minekaze takes you to the Tier 8 Akizuki, with possible higher tiers in the future - gun focused.

If you intend to run an IJN DD in Tier 9 or 10, you have to go up the Mutsuki line.

It used to be that the Akizuki could spam HE in open water without being detected.  When that was changed (right after I got it) the Akizuki turned into a rather sluggish DD and a high ROF

 

Many (myself included) love the T7 Shiratsuyu in the Minekaze line.  I don't think I have run the T8 Akizuki in the last several months, but do run the Shiratsuyu.  The Shiratsuyu did very well in Ranked season 6, throwing out 16 torpedos in a few seconds with the Torp Reload Booster (Akizuki also gets it).

The T6 Fubuki, in the Mutsuki line, is loved by many (including me - my goto boat, feels like a Kamikze).

Both lines have their pluses and minuses.  You can try the lines out in the next Public Test, which should be coming up soon.

 

This says it even better:

 

[SgtSpud]

Minny was my girl before the change and will always be my first love, but her torps just don't cut it anymore.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

3 minutes ago, ExploratorOne said:

Mutsuki is in the torpedo line.

Minekaze is in the gunboat line.

 

It's not really a gunboat line, just happens to end with the one and only IJN gunboat. Minekaze, Hatsuharu, and Shiratsuyu are not gunboats. In fact, before the recent nerf, Shiratsuyu was one of the best torpedo boats.  If anything Akizuki is a bit a an anomaly. 

[ExploratorOne]

9 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

 

It's not really a gunboat line, just happens to end with the one and only IJN gunboat. Minekaze, Hatsuharu, and Shiratsuyu are not gunboats. In fact, before the recent nerf, Shiratsuyu was one of the best torpedo boats.  If anything Akizuki is a bit a an anomaly. 

Agree.  Was going off of what WG billed them as.  I always find it humorous that one of the ships with the biggest wall of skill, Shiratsuyu, is in the gun-focused line.  Very confusing...

 

"...We want to distinguish between the two different gameplay styles of these destroyers. Ships of the first type are multi-purpose and hard to detect, with good main-guns and torpedo armament. The second type of ships have better guns but are armed with less torpedoes."

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/sub-branch-japanese-destroyers/

 

"What do we plan to do? We intend to introduce a sub-branch stemming from the main tech tree branch of these destroyers and move the existing ships around. We want to distinguish between the two different gameplay styles of these destroyers. Ships of the first type serve multiple roles and are hard to detect. They also have good main battery guns and torpedo attacks. The second type of destroyer is better at using its main guns, and are thus with fewer torpedoes. Their torpedoes, however, have longer ranges. They also come with torpedo tube autoloaders."

https://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/common/introduce-jp-dd-sub-branch/

[Estimated_Prophet]

Mutsuki is a stalking spotter. She can then either shoot her cork-guns at something that's almost dead, make a throw of the dice on a long range attack, or creep in close and murder something with just about the meanest metal fishes at T5.

 

Mind you, I've used Mutsuki a lot, (both tiers,)  and my WR in it is way above average.

 

Minekaze can brawl better, though her turret traverse is still painfully slow, and her three torpedo launchers are more versatile, as has been said above,

 

Mind you though, most of my 'Minekaze' experience has been an Pumpkin, Blueberry, and Apple.

[BladedPheonix]

neither, your'e wasting your time with IJN DDs, they really go down hill in performance after tier 5!

[ExploratorOne]

1 hour ago, BladedPheonix said:

neither, your'e wasting your time with IJN DDs, they really go down hill in performance after tier 5!

I really liked the IJN line up until earlier this year and still have most of them up to the T8 Akizuki and T7 Akatsuki.  After the nerfs, though, I hardly run them much except for the T5 Kamikaze, T6 Fubuki, and T7 Shiratsuyu.  I actually enjoy the USN T6 Farragut more now - nice guns.  If it weren't for the lower tier 4km torps, I would run the VMF line more, but I started playing the T7-T9 some this weekend.  And dislike of the Gaede is holding me up in the KM line like Mahan has stalled USN for me.

 

Each to his own, though.  It still is solid advice to decide on a target ship in a line (especially split lines like the IJN and VMF) and pick the path that takes you there.  I use written and YouTube reviews, but rely have come to rely on play testing in PT.  One person's wonder boat can be another person's nightmare.

[Umikami]

On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 6:27 PM, warpath_33 said:

Which ship would more experienced players consider the better ship in their current state? I personally prefer the Mutsuki since all the Minekaze does better is a higher top speed, having 3x2 torpedo tubes to the Mutsuki's 2x3 tubes and a faster torpedo reload. The Mutsuki has a faster turret traverse, Much better AA defense (50 dps vs 4 dps) and overall better torps (worse detection though), faster reload on the 2 guns that it does have, and better concealment. I never got to play either ship before the IJN DD rearrangement, and my best ship probably would have been the Karlsruhe at the time.

IJN DD's are torpedo boats; Minikaze is the superior torpedo boat.

[Sabot_100]

The AA is nice on the Mutsuki (just enough to make the fighters permaspotting you pay a little for doing so) but the guns are very weak. They turn faster (not a high bar) but if you are in a close range knife fight then you have screwed up and are going to lose versus any other ship not already on deaths door except a Minekaze. The Minekaze will beat you at longer ranges though. The harder hitting torps are nice but the slower reload means you don't get a lot of shots in a game. So you have a ship that (usually) shouldn't be shooting its guns and occasionally gets to fire torps (that all may be dodged with their detect-ability) so it can be a boring game.

The Minekaze, although only a shadow of her former glory, is still a reluctant gun platform but can put out more DPM to kill a wounded target faster and slip back into stealth. The faster firing torps mean you can take more shots during the game and the faster ship speed gets you in and out quicker. Those torps might allow you to get off a second set in a knife fight.

The last 2 week Ship Stats show them ranked about the same (Muts is typically lower). The Mine has a better Win Rate.

I thought they had equal stealth (have to check).

Haven't played either in a long while as I have a Fujin and am not good enough that I feel I need to challenge myself with a lesser ship.

 

Haven't played the Shiratsuyu since it was gutted either. Might have to take her out just to see if I can still make her work a bit. Ship Stats shows her being a pretty meh DD now but still out performing the Akatsuki.

[warpath_33]

On 8/12/2017 at 11:56 PM, ExploratorOne said:

dislike of the Gaede is holding me up in the KM line

That makes two of us.

 

 

I'm reasonably sure Mutsuki has slightly better ste-

*checks stats*

Never mind.