WOWS Q&A 12/8/2017 explanation on why Graf Zeppelin's 2-3-0 was removed

[Mr_Alex]

 

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WoWS Q&A – 12th August 2017

12 AUGUST 2017 ~ SEBASTIANUL

Source: WG

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Update 0.6.9, Graf Zeppelin testing

2-3-0 Flight control, that was tested before, turned out to be too efficient against destroyers. More versatile 2-1-2 option lacks any special flavor and is not interesting in general. Thus, we’re testing 2-0-3 with PC-500 RS (Paulina) AP bomb as an optional module. In real life, such bombs were equipped with solid booster engine, which results in 245 mm in-game penetration. The fuse arms at 35 mm of effective armor. Such bomb parameters combined with high manual attack accuracy should allow to deal massive alpha damage to BBs, and even to cruisers, if squadrons are skillfully controlled.

-Nelson will cost 375.000 free experience.

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/08/12/wows-qa-12th-august-2017/

[GrimmeReaper]

So the Graf Bombs are going to be slightly heavier than the 1000lbs AP bombs.  The PC-500 RS weighs about a smidge over 1100lbs.  Being that the 500 stands for 500 kg.  That will do a lot of damage to what ever it hits.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

So because the versatile 2-1-2 option lacks "flavor" they don't even consider it..

[awiggin]

What is wrong with WG? They talk about trying to balance out the skill needed for decent CV play, then they put this out?

"Such bomb parameters combined with high manual attack accuracy should allow to deal massive alpha damage to BBs, and even to cruisers, if squadrons are skillfully controlled."

 

[AphelionMarauder]

I was always in favor of letting captains take whatever kinds of squadrons they want, but if you take more than 3 of a kind it severely limits your hanger capacity.

[pewpewpew42]

38 minutes ago, awiggin said:

What is wrong with WG? They talk about trying to balance out the skill needed for decent CV play, then they put this out?

"Such bomb parameters combined with high manual attack accuracy should allow to deal massive alpha damage to BBs, and even to cruisers, if squadrons are skillfully controlled."

 

To be fair, I think they are referring to cruiser damaging specifically as something that requires skill as opposed to damage in general. 

[GhostSwordsman]

1 hour ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

So because the versatile 2-1-2 option lacks "flavor" they don't even consider it..

This is what I'm trying to figure out. What's wrong with a balanced 'all around' loadout?

Isn't that one of the reasons why many USN CV captains run stock with a 1-1-1? Or why Hiryu is generally considered a good CV since she has a 'balanced' loadout with 2-2-2?

Bringing CVs into balance is going to require allowing CVs to fulfill multiple roles and be versatile like a cruiser, and to do that they need to have at least one loadout that isn't specialized or gimped in some way.

 

I honestly think it's funny, WG openly admits that the 2-1-2 is a 'versatile' loadout, and they think that because of it's versatility, it's uninteresting. Yet, that's exactly what CV captains are asking for, more versatility and flexability, which hyper specialized loadouts(USN CVs) don't offer.

[GBean17]

What about a 2-2-1 loadout? 

[Kapitan_Wuff]

4 minutes ago, GhostSwordsman said:

This is what I'm trying to figure out. What's wrong with a balanced 'all around' loadout?

Isn't that one of the reasons why many USN CV captains run stock with a 1-1-1? Or why Hiryu is generally considered a good CV since she has a 'balanced' loadout with 2-2-2?

Bringing CVs into balance is going to require allowing CVs to fulfill multiple roles and be versatile like a cruiser, and to do that they need to have at least one loadout that isn't specialized or gimped in some way.

 

I honestly think it's funny, WG openly admits that the 2-1-2 is a 'versatile' loadout, and they think that because of it's versatility, it's uninteresting. Yet, that's exactly what CV captains are asking for, more versatility and flexability, which hyper specialized loadouts(USN CVs) don't offer.

 

Makes no sense, I get 2-3-0 being OP, but balanced and versatile is exactly what people want and "gimmicks" are exactly what they dislike.

[cmdr_raccoon]

Dear WG,

If it's versatile (not sure why you hate this WG), fun and not entirely RNG dive bomber, i will buy the Graf Zeppelin, and I'm not even a heavy CV player...

Otherwise, I wouldn't bother.

Thanks

[Ulthwey]

2 hours ago, Mr_Alex said:

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/08/12/wows-qa-12th-august-2017/

Now lets get them to explain why they are selling a half-finished ship that has only a single loadout that lacks variety for an astronomic price of $55 dollars

[Krupp_Sabot]

23 minutes ago, Ulthwey said:

Now lets get them to explain why they are selling a half-finished ship that has only a single loadout that lacks variety for an astronomic price of $55 dollars

Because there will be fools who will buy simply because its the Graf Zeppelin.

[cmdr_raccoon]

4 minutes ago, Krupp_Sabot said:

Because there will be fools who will buy simply because its the Graf Zeppelin.

This is quite likely true.

But such fools would buy it anyways, wouldnt it be better for wargaming to make the Graf Zep actually interesting for those that look into the thing more detail and care about such things? that way the 'fools' will buy, and so will the... other types.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

3 hours ago, Kapitan_Wuff said:

So because the versatile 2-1-2 option lacks "flavor" they don't even consider it..

 

The other thing is newer Premium CVs lack spec options.  Enterprise is stuck with one spec, one aircraft reserve alignment.  Graf Zeppelin will be the same.  The last to have any choice was Kaga.

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Well, not really.  You'd be out of your mind to not use Kaga's 12 TB spec, so it's not really a choice at all 

[StoptheViolins]

Old news.

 

However, if WG does sort out how to "fix" CV play, then I wouldn't be surprised if the premium CVs get additional options for aircraft types.  The only way I could see that not happening is if WG makes US bombers as deadly as IJN torpedo planes. 

[Jakajan]

Old news yeah. I would not mind the 2/1/2 configuration if the torpedoes had a longer travel time in the water for flavor.