Kii wish list.

[Jakajan]

So we know the Kii is under development. What would you all like to see on the Kii as your wish list? I had some funny ideas, not all of them practical.

I would like to see her slow, like 24 or 25 knots slow with good armor and longer range torpedoes. Give her 3x Zao 8km torps and Akizuki guns, giving her all of the best IJN tech available for every system reasonable, but trading off speed making her the slowest tier 8 bb in the game.

However as the specs she is listed at right now. I would buy her if her turret traverse were improved to be 45 second base TT, and her gun reload was 30 seconds. That is just me however.

[Canadatron]

Akizuki guns that only fire every 30 seconds? SOLD!

[Umikami]

Why does a BB need torps?

[Big_Spud]

How about a ship that actually plays something like the rest of the line, instead of this strange gimmicky thing.

[Super_Dreadnought]

I would like more WD40.

[RedSeaBear]

23 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Why does a BB need torps?

My question, Why don't more BBs have torps?

Nothing bets a Scharnhorst or Tirpitz brawl when you get in close and torp some fool in the side. 

Not to mention the giggles that are bound to happen when a BB sinks a DD with torps. Sweet cosmic justice. 

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

The kii was not a slow bb, why would it be slow in game? 

[Spartias]

Either give her a decent reload or a 1.9/2.0 sigma. Horrible reload and horrible accuracy means a no buy for me.

[Jakajan]

3 hours ago, 1nv4d3rZ1m said:

The kii was not a slow bb, why would it be slow in game? 

The kii was never really finished, even though she was a paper ship. Why couldn't she be more Nagato esque? Yamamoto loved that ship.

[chs4000]

1.7 sigma with IJN dispersion is not inaccurate, Spartias.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

10 minutes ago, Jakajan said:

The kii was never really finished, even though she was a paper ship. Why couldn't she be more Nagato esque? Yamamoto loved that ship.

Just because it was not launched does not mean the design was not finalized and the there was not design specs. It's not like WG just made up some random ship.

 

If the kii as designed is not what you want then maybe another design like the Tosa would be more what you are looking for. In that case ask for the Tosa, just don't ask WG to mutilate the Kii into something that it was not meant to be. 

[Spartias]

8 minutes ago, chs4000 said:

1.7 sigma with IJN dispersion is not inaccurate, Spartias.

 

It is if the Kii comes with the worst in tier turret traverse as well as a 35 second reload. If she's going to be able to put the fewest shells on target then what is sent down range needs to be very reliable. 

[VTAdmiral]

What's wrong with a premium Amagi that's a bit slower in exchange for torpedoes and heavy secondaries/AA. Seriously.

 

There's rumors spreading around that she's going to have stock guns, the same garbage type 88 AP shells as Mutsu. This is 100% unnecessary.

[Ulthwey]

6 hours ago, Jakajan said:

So we know the Kii is under development. What would you all like to see on the Kii as your wish list? I had some funny ideas, not all of them practical.

I would like to see her slow, like 24 or 25 knots slow with good armor and longer range torpedoes. Give her 3x Zao 8km torps and Akizuki guns, giving her all of the best IJN tech available for every system reasonable, but trading off speed making her the slowest tier 8 bb in the game.

However as the specs she is listed at right now. I would buy her if her turret traverse were improved to be 45 second base TT, and her gun reload was 30 seconds. That is just me however.

 

Her test stats have already been posted. She's the weaker version of the Amagi, less range, lower sigma, slower rate of fire, slower speed/acceleration ... but in exchange for better armor, torps and AA. 

 

I took one look at her stats, and immediately knew that despite loving the Amagi I would never play that ship.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

6 minutes ago, AraAragami said:

What's wrong with a premium Amagi that's a bit slower in exchange for torpedoes and heavy secondaries/AA. Seriously.

 

There's rumors spreading around that she's going to have stock guns, the same garbage type 88 AP shells as Mutsu. This is 100% unnecessary.

Nothing wrong with a premium amagi with those changes, just don't call it a Kii because that is a specific ship design and not simply a slower amagi with torps. 

[Doomlock]

4 minutes ago, 1nv4d3rZ1m said:

Nothing wrong with a premium amagi with those changes, just don't call it a Kii because that is a specific ship design and not simply a slower amagi with torps. 

Indeed. The prelim stats show her as having 29 knots speed, Graf Spee torp angles almost, Yūbari triple torps, 54.1s traverse speed, 35s reload, 1.7 sigma, great AA, enough to rival and even be better than NC or Bama in a few aspects, and a great health pool.

 

Kii looks very solid and I can't wait to see how she performs in testing.

[YamatoA150]

If I had wishes:

 

T8 Kii would instead be renamed Ashitaka, and instead of being a downgraded hull, be a straight sister ship with a gimmick to differentiate her; akin to Tirpitz vs Bismarck.

- 1:1 copy of Amagi "C", but with either longer ranged secondaries (7km matching Izumo/Yamato) OR the 10cm DP mounts instead of the 12.7cm DP mounts.

- NO torpedoes.

Basically a literal sister-ship clone with a simple but working gimmick; either better secondary ranges offset by half the secondaries being AP-firing casemates OR the 10cm DP mounts for better AA and firestarting rates but worse straight secondary damage due to increased shatters from the 10cm HE shells combined with the AP-firing casemates (bouncing on things not broadside or straight-on to the guns).

 

T9 Kii would be an FXP ship named Kii or an alternate ship name.

- 1:1 copy of Amagi "C" but with 10cm DPs, torpedoes, and the 41/50 cm cannons from Izumo.  Same slow traverse to offset the stronger guns.

- Same maneuverability as Amagi but at the expense of having the same speed.  Otherwise, increase speed to about 31~32kt, and increase the turning radius to 900~920m.

In this instance, a straight upgrade of Amagi.  Irregardless of whether or not a Kii-class sister ship appears in a second IJN BB line, this Kii would be worth its FXP cost.  Instead of being a moneymaker like Missouri, give it extra FXP and CXP earning rather than credits.

[ksix]

This will never happen since the ship is in the last stages of development but I'm big on historical accuracy and this ships current form flies in the face of it entirely.

Torps removed, torpedo bulges added

Top speed 27 knots (bulges would of slowed it)

Rudder Shift 16 Seconds

Identical main guns to Amagi

For Secondary/AA 40mm Bofors are plausible but 10cm aren't as they only made HE rounds for it. 12.7cm/50 makes far more sense since it had HE, incendiary shrapnel, and illumination rounds.

I'd boost Kii firing range to ~20 kilometers but counter it with worse accuracy 

 

This gives the Kii extremely good AA still along with its tougher armor making it a solid all rounder. Amagi would retain its better accuracy, speed and maneuverability advantages. I see no reason why this wouldn't be fine for T8.

At T9 as a Missouri partner I don't think defensive AA or radar would be out of line.

 

[MrKilmister]

In a sense, at least in one way, Kii is to Amagi is much like what Kidd is to Fletcher.  (e.g. trading desirable, important capabilities for exception AA protection - the value of which is quite situational)

 

On the other hand, Kii gets torps with very good arcs while Kidd comes with less torpedo capacity. 

 

I'll pass on both, thanks. 

[Spartias]

1 minute ago, lemekillmister said:

In a sense, at least in one way, Kii is to Amagi is much like what Kidd is to Fletcher.  (e.g. trading desirable, important capabilities for exception AA protection - the value of which is quite situational) 

 

I'll pass on both, thanks. 

 

In a sense yes... sort of.

 

Both make dramatic trades. They both trade copious amounts of their primary damage dealing ability for copious amounts of AA.

[VTAdmiral]

38 minutes ago, 1nv4d3rZ1m said:

Nothing wrong with a premium amagi with those changes, just don't call it a Kii because that is a specific ship design and not simply a slower amagi with torps. 

 

Kii is to Amagi what Alabama is to North Carolina.

 

Show me where Alabama's guns suck and fire inferior shells to make up for the improvements it has over North Carolina.

[Spartias]

3 minutes ago, AraAragami said:

 

Kii is to Amagi what Alabama is to North Carolina.

 

Show me where Alabama's guns suck and fire inferior shells to make up for the improvements it has over North Carolina.

 

Thou shalt never show thy stern wilst within thy Alabama for lo, thy stern citadel protection be unto thy enemies a surity of great damage.

[MrKilmister]

3 minutes ago, AraAragami said:

 

Kii is to Amagi what Alabama is to North Carolina.

 

Show me where Alabama's guns suck and fire inferior shells to make up for the improvements it has over North Carolina.

 

Alabama overall is clearly better than NC - I have both.  The stats on Kii, at this point, add up to a BB that is overall clearly - to my eye - inferior to Amagi - yes, I have a Amagi too. 

[Grizley]

I would like to see 20mm of belt armor. A pair of rifle calibur MGs for anti air. 3km torps. And a sigma no higher than .6

 

[VTAdmiral]

1 minute ago, Spartias said:

Thou shalt never show thy stern wilst within thy Alabama for lo, thy stern citadel protection be unto thy enemies a surity of great damage.

 

I didn't ask about armor. Though that's good to know, it's not what I asked about. Kii is already better protected and therefore slower than Amagi.

 

1 minute ago, lemekillmister said:

Alabama overall is clearly better than NC - I have both.  The stats on Kii, at this point, add up to a BB that is overall clearly - to my eye - inferior to Amagi - yes, I have a Amagi too. 

 

Exactly. Why does Kii get garbage stock Mutsu tier 6 guns when Alabama gets guns that are AT LEAST just as good as North Carolina's. The range is just as good, the pen is good, the accuracy is good, the sigma is only 0.1 off.

 

Meanwhile Kii is getting guns that only work in tier 6 due to overmatch... in tier 8.