What's up with WG liking to flatten the aft of their made up RN ships?

[Prkl8r]

Does that bother anybody else? I think it looks dumb.

 

They did it with the Neptune and Minotaur, and now they did it with the Lion and Conqueror.

 

None of the previous ships in either line had an aft that is just flat like that.

[Super_Dreadnought]

[Big_Spud]

Because the British were switching to transom sterns?

[Defiler_of_Reds]

13 minutes ago, Prkl8r said:

Does that bother anybody else? I think it looks dumb.

 

They did it with the Neptune and Minotaur, and now they did it with the Lion and Conqueror.

 

None of the previous ships in either line had an aft that is just flat like that.

 

t's called a "transom stern" look that up and stop wasting everyone's time on the forum. 

[Unabletony]

10 minutes ago, Big_Spud said:

Because the British were switching to transom sterns?

Was just about to say. If it looks stupid but it works, it works.

[Aetreus]

It makes ships faster.

[Noshiro_]

Just now, Aetreus said:

It makes ships faster.

 

But they're not painted red

[Aetreus]

Just now, Cruiser_Noshiro said:

But they're not painted red

Yes they are, you just can't see it. That makes the ships faster too.

[Goose21891]

11 minutes ago, Cruiser_Noshiro said:

 

But they're not painted red

They are red below the waterline.

[anonym_Hf93Jbjm9WjT]

1 hour ago, Aetreus said:

It makes ships faster.

I thought the go faster stripes were supposed to do that?

[Defiler_of_Reds]

7 hours ago, Aetreus said:

It makes ships faster.

It makes ships at speed faster and more fuel efficient, but slower with worse fuel efficiency at low speeds. The US versions were much more extreme.

 

 

[Prkl8r]

Does that mean that they will be faster than 30 knots?

[Doomlock]

7 hours ago, The_Cruel_Sea said:

It makes ships at speed faster and more fuel efficient, but slower with worse fuel efficiency at low speeds. The US versions were much more extreme.

 

 

 

I will be stealing that picture. Is that Alaska or Guam?

[renegadestatuz]

1 hour ago, Prkl8r said:

Does that mean that they will be faster than 30 knots?

Go look at their stats and you can see their speeds.

[MrKilmister]

Speaking of dumb, why should anyone be bothered by a transom on a ship?  What's "dumb" about a transom?   

[Grizley]

15 hours ago, Cruiser_Noshiro said:

 

But they're not painted red

 

They're red on the inside.

 

The USN ships of every type have more dakka though.  

[Defiler_of_Reds]

16 hours ago, The_Cruel_Sea said:

It makes ships at speed faster and more fuel efficient, but slower with worse fuel efficiency at low speeds. The US versions were much more extreme.

 

 

 

Google search the picture for the whole picture series. Alaska.

[Prkl8r]

6 hours ago, lemekillmister said:

Speaking of dumb, why should anyone be bothered by a transom on a ship?  What's "dumb" about a transom?   

It's an aesthetic thing, I just think it looks weird compared to the rounded stern of american high tier BBs. It's nothing I can't get over though.

 

I honestly just thought WG did it on their high tier RN made up ships just because. I didn't realize Vanguard had it, which is probably what they base them off.

[Captain_Dorja]

21 hours ago, Prkl8r said:

Does that bother anybody else? I think it looks dumb.

 

They did it with the Neptune and Minotaur, and now they did it with the Lion and Conqueror.

 

None of the previous ships in either line had an aft that is just flat like that.

 

As ship design advanced over time, it was realized that a transom stern, which is what that flat type of stern on Lion and Conqueror is called, allows for a higher speed without increasing weight or fuel consumption. If you're actually interested in listening, I can give a more in depth explaination - it's a very complex, but I can give you the basics. 

 

It is also of note that at the very least, Lion isn't made up. HMS Vanguard is built on the hull of a Lion Class ship. I don't mean to sound too rude here, but before you rant, do your research.

[MrKilmister]

1 hour ago, Prkl8r said:

It's an aesthetic thing, I just think it looks weird compared to the rounded stern of american high tier BBs. It's nothing I can't get over though.

 

I honestly just thought WG did it on their high tier RN made up ships just because. I didn't realize Vanguard had it, which is probably what they base them off.

 

Coincidentally, aesthetics are a substantial aspect in my profession which is product/industrial design and from an early age the forms of ship and boat hulls fascinated me and where one of the things that fired interests that lead me to become a designer.  Generally speaking, the aesthetics of transom sterns don't put me off.  If that form serves a function or at least doesn't diminish functionality then that's all the more better. 

[DeliciousFart]

The Vanguard is a 1942 Lion that's slightly lengthened to accommodate an extra turret since it uses 4x2 15"/42 guns. The 1942 Lion is a modified version of the original 1938 Lion we have in game, with the main differences being slightly increased beam and TDS width, bow shear to improve seakeeping, and removal of aircraft facilities. Apparently the transom stern allowed some 0.33 knot increase in max speed, but if anyone can explain the hydrodynamics behind that I'd appreciate it, because I don't know why that's the case.

 

Judging from Friedman, I think if they actually went through with the Lion class, the Lion and Temeraire probably would've followed 1938 design, but Conqueror and Thunderer would be 1942 design.

[ValkyrWarframe]

On 8/11/2017 at 11:20 PM, Prkl8r said:

Does that bother anybody else?

Does it bother anyone else that this guy stayed dead for the year and a half since CBT and only came back to complain about how WG isn't making RN BBs OP?

[Prkl8r]

1 hour ago, ValkyrWarframe said:

Does it bother anyone else that this guy stayed dead for the year and a half since CBT and only came back to complain about how WG isn't making RN BBs OP?

 

First of all, what does a discussion from another thread have to do with this one?

 

Second, I'm sorry, did I miss some kind of licence or registration fee or something that allows me to post an opinion on a public forum about a video game?

 

Clearly I have offended you by both voicing my, and asking for other peoples, opinions.

 

Now I remember why I stopped visiting this forum in the first place.

[Shadeylark]

12 hours ago, lemekillmister said:

Speaking of dumb, why should anyone be bothered by a transom on a ship?  What's "dumb" about a transom?   

a flat [edited]is easier to penetrate than a round [edited]when you're trying to run away.  heyoooo!    (but in all seriousness... if you are trying to get out of dodge and are being focus fired, presenting a flatly angled surface to enemy AP in the process isn't exactly ideal)

[mr3awsome]

On 8/12/2017 at 4:20 AM, Prkl8r said:

Does that bother anybody else? I think it looks dumb.

 

They did it with the Neptune and Minotaur, and now they did it with the Lion and Conqueror.

 

None of the previous ships in either line had an aft that is just flat like that.

Neptune, Minotaur and Lion aren't fake; all three had transom sterns historically. 

"Conqueror" is based on Vanguard, which has a transom stern.

Open and shut case.