Talk me out of the Prinz Eugen

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

No really....not sure why I want one, other than I know she got a HE buff, and I have a 14 point Spee captain cooling his heals...Yeah, I could grind to the Hipper..but the French CA grind almost did me in...I just can't face another one. 

 

Give it to me straight: 

 

Good:

 

Bad:

 

Ugly: 

[LadyJess]

Am probably the wrong person to talk you out of the Eugen. She is like the Hipper and to me she does looks a bit thinner than the Hipper. I currently have a 78% win rate in the Hipper so i go the Eugen just to that i could run with another division partner when he takes out the Bismarck. More or less a matched set for games. How well you do in the ship all depends on the individual behind the controls.

[Estimated_Prophet]

Good: History. That whole Denmark Strait thing, the Channel Dash thing, surviving the war, surviving getting microwaved several times by the Americans in the Pacific, and when Google Earth takes a sattelite image of Kwajalean Atoll and it's low tide you can still see the wreck.

 

Bad: At least according to many people, it's just a Admiral Hipper, except the name is different. Don't know how true the difference thing is, because I swore long ago I would never, NEVER, buy a Hipper; but that I would buy a Prinz Eugen if one ever came out...

 

...did I mention the History?

 

Ugly; It will cost you real money; either credit of some form, or cash spent to purchase doubloons, which are then spent if Eugen is purchasable on the Tech Tree. Admiral Hipper is esentially free; depending on a few things...

 

...so if the History (and name) thing mean nothing to you, the Hipper is obviously a better 'buy' than Eugen.

 

...did I mention the History yet?

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

So that's two "yes" votes LOL. I already have a Bismarck, so she would look good in my port....Oh dear, help me, LOL... 

[crzyhawk]

I have it and like it but I'd never recommend people spend money on it.  Get the hipper, grind or no.

 

[Seniorious]

7 minutes ago, crzyhawk said:

I have it and like it but I'd never recommend people spend money on it.  Get the hipper, grind or no.

 

Good: History, 100%+ Captain Training, more than other Premiums, it's an Admiral Hipper. Supremely comfortable guns, with high velocity on AP and HE, ultra fast turret traverse, and the AP can citadel some BBs inside range.
Bad: It's a (fat) Admiral Hipper. Weak HE overall. 

Ugly: It's an Admiral Hipper. Yeah...Seriously. 
But she sure is purdy. 

Basically, if you want a Premium Hipper, go for it. If you like the History, go for it. But Hipper has history too. 
If you want a premium that 'brings something' to the table in gameplay, walk away. Her 'trick' is the +100% Captain Training. Kutuzov has smokes and more useful HE fire, longer range, marginally better stealth, torpedoes with 8km range vs Hipper-class 6km. Atago....everyone knows already. So yeah. I would've bought her myself, but Scharnhorst was 30% off in the tree, and I had a 30% coupon for the Premium Shop, so I bought the doubloons on the discount and then used that for it.....talk about a steal! 

[crzyhawk]

I don't consider its history to be overly impressive.  It shot at the Hood.  BFD.  It's better than most battleships ever did, but meh.

[centarina]

hipper was alright, but I love roon and   just got hindenberg. (havn't played her yet)  

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

I did it. 

I'm glad I did. First game out of the gate. I'm in love. 

 

[SeaRaptor]

Good:  She makes good money.  She's a Hull (C) Hipper clone, which means solid AA, good guns (though not many of them), big HP pool, good torps for uppercut punches (if you can survive long enough to land them) and adequate range.

 

Bad:  She's spotted from the moon, has questionable rudder shift, and sports a low rate of fire for her 8 barrels.

 

Ugly:  She costs real money for what is essentially a copy of a tech tree ship.  She's damn near useless in a T10 match.  

Bottom line:  If Hipper is your waifu and you want to play her again and again and again, get an Eugen.  If not, save your money.

[Simzee]

If for no other reason it prints creds, in co op or randoms.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

The real kicker with Prinz Eugen is not only is it a Premium Ship, but the best camo bonus for it is a separate purchase that costs doubloons, the "Adler" / Eagle camo.

[Obeyrist]

Good - It's a premium ship and does premium ship things.

 

Bad - It's a T8 cruiser and will very commonly face T9 and T10 opponents.  Suffers more then most in higher tier matches due to the inexplicable lack of a healing ability.

 

Ugly - Not really good at anything, like the Hipper, primarily due to the lack of a good core cruiser skill/utility.  It's workable of course but literally any other cruiser can do what the Hipper/Eugen can do and also bring useful skills/utility to the team.  What can a Eugen do that a Tirpitz or Atago can't do better?

 

So you get this ship for novelty/collection/OCD but that's about it.  Best to get it from a Christmas crate or something.

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

Well, only three games in, but I really think she was money well spent, at least for me. Yeah, I can see what all of you are saying:

 

She does seem a bit pokey, but then I have a Martel, which is a hot rod, so that might have something to do with it. Yeah, I get spotted a lot, but I don't have CE on this captain... She does have a less efficient main gun layout than a Martel..One less gun too. 

 

But... Her guns sure do seem to hit harder than a Martel. I even tried some AP on broadside BBs, and was pretty happy with the damage, at least with the IJN and USN ships. She has a ton better AA rating, but I haven't had a CV try to take me out...yet. She seems tougher than a Martel as well. Made in Germany I guess.   Yeah, I wish I had a heal...but then I'm a pretty "banzai" CA driver... 

[SeaRaptor]

Congrats on your purchase.   Make sure you fire AP at broadside anything.  (This is the first commandment of German cruisers.) 

On ‎8‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 0:46 AM, Obeyrist said:

Ugly - Not really good at anything, like the Hipper, primarily due to the lack of a good core cruiser skill/utility.  It's workable of course but literally any other cruiser can do what the Hipper/Eugen can do and also bring useful skills/utility to the team.  What can a Eugen do that a Tirpitz or Atago can't do better?.

High tier German cruisers are the hallmarks of utility.  They have so MUCH utility that there's no one thing they do really well; they simply do a lot of things decent-to-above-average. 

Solid AA?  Check.  it's not Minotaur AA, but it's nothing to sneeze at, either. 

Solid guns?  Check.  Sure, it's not Zao or Henri IV HE shells, but it works.  And the AP is excellent.  They're not the best guns, but they're not the worst either.  They could use an ROF buff, IMHO. 

Solid consumables?  Check.  DFAA with their base AA loadout is brutally punishing to enemy planes; conversely, German hydro is the best in the game.  I have UKCLs and destroyers smoke up in close proximity of my Hindenburg all the time.  It's usually the last thing they do in that particular game.

Solid speed?  Check.  30 knots is respectable.  You won't be running down any Khabarovsks, but you won't be left behind by your teammates either.

And so on.  The two big categories they fall down in is detection radius and handling characteristics.  But you can't have everything. 

[FavorHouseAtlantic]

Eugen was one of the first premies I bought. There are times I love playing her (I've had a couple 200k matches), but most of the time, I despise her. I literally only used her to retrain my Yorck captain to hipper, then from hipper to Roon... and soon, will be doing so again to train Roon to Hindy (20k XP to go).

 

She can be murderous in the right hands, in a non-tier10 match. I've had my teeth kicked in by a good Eugen captain while driving my NorCal, Amagi, and lower tier BBs (have yet to have one school me in Tirpitz or Bismarck), and I avoid them in my CVs because one never knows if they have that DF lurking. But there has also been many a time where I have plowed through them in Edinburgh, Martel, NOLA, and Mogami. 

 

Eugen seems very hit or miss, but she can be a blast to play... and one of the best captain trainers in the game. 

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

Right now I have an AA build, but run Hydro...middle of the road I guess. She seems very consistent so far...I knew she wasn't OP or anything, and was playing a bit cautious at first..But the gloves are coming off late in the game.... 

 

Captain builds? Ready...go.

Me: Tier 1: PT, PM

Tier 2 Adrenaline 

Tier 3 Super, Basic 

Tier4  AFT.  

 

 

[SeaRaptor]

16 hours ago, Sir_Davos_Seaworth said:

But the gloves are coming off late in the game.... 

This is the "correct" way to play German cruisers.  You shouldn't be aggressive early.  Bide your time.  The longer into the game you survive, the more dangerous you become because of how many different tools you have at your disposal to deal with the enemy.

[Teske]

54 minutes ago, SeaRaptor00 said:

This is the "correct" way to play German cruisers.  You shouldn't be aggressive early.  Bide your time.  The longer into the game you survive, the more dangerous you become because of how many different tools you have at your disposal to deal with the enemy.

Agreed, as a fellow member of "The Church of Hindenburg", the german cruisers excel as late game executioners. They have the tools to take on nearly everything 1v1, but struggle to useful in the opening moves due to them not being amazing at anything (with one notable exception: hunting Khab's, with their HE pen they can shoot straight HE at Khab and not worry about armor). However, they are "ok" to pretty good at everything:

planes bugging your BB's? yes Kutuzov or New Orleans would be better but they're dead and your Hipper/Eugen isn't and she's not too bad

DD's need herding? yes hydro doesn't have the range of radar but it lasts much longer plus spots torps

Battlewagon needs to be taken down? give them a chace to get on the side and forget the BBQ she'll shred'em with 4-11k AP salvos every 10 seconds, or charge it with some of the best torps arcs in the game (I love blitzing BB's with Hipper, most die foolishly waiting for me to "turn to launch torps" not realizing that the little wiggle I did 30 secs ago was that turn)

And vs. other cruiser, I comes down to who's knows his ship better

 

[Lert]

On 14-8-2017 at 5:10 PM, SeaRaptor00 said:

High tier German cruisers are the hallmarks of utility.  They have so MUCH utility that there's no one thing they do really well; they simply do a lot of things decent-to-above-average.

Yeah that's about the long and the short of it. There's nothing they do exceedingly well, but there's nothing they really suck at either. They're workhorses, rather than overspecialized showponies.

[sasquatch_research]

1 hour ago, SeaRaptor00 said:

This is the "correct" way to play German cruisers.  You shouldn't be aggressive early.  Bide your time.  The longer into the game you survive, the more dangerous you become because of how many different tools you have at your disposal to deal with the enemy.

Hey

Bingo; as for late game play, she can be downright dangerous.  Even to damaged BB's she can be downright frightening since her AP can do very large amounts of damage and with steering gear mods 2/3, she will lack some concealment but is very evasive when fired at.  If you rambo early, you will get deleted BUT what cruiser isn't that true of?  Hipper/Prinz Eugen are best played as very good escort ships to your larger BB's,  taking shots at threatening DD's and providing Hydro for the BB your escorting at key times.  They are trollish for a cruiser but not the best at rambo play on your own, BUT again what cruiser is?  She has decent armour (better than Japanese), great AP damage and decent fire starting HE, good torps but on 6km range but it has better torp angles than Atago, Good speed, ok detection but I find I like dual steering gears to make her turn better.  Overall, they are both good ship and can be lethal in the right hands.  Don't let anyone fool you; for their tier, they are very viable and fun to play.  Downside, getting up-tier'd, you will struggle BUT be that escorting ship to a BB, let him take punishment while you aid him with supporting fire, great German hydro, torps, strong AA.  I like both of mine and will be permanently in my inventory.  I am presently working towards the Roon.  

 

Pete

 

P.S.  I like what Lert said above:  Yeah that's about the long and the short of it. There's nothing they do exceedingly well, but there's nothing they really suck at either. They're workhorses, rather than overspecialized showponies...........Well said!  

[Sir_Davos_Seaworth]

Thanks gang! Yeah, she is quickly becoming my go to ship...  I can't say I've had any spectacular games so far...but nor have I had any real bad ones either... Love the German Hydro! 

[Teske]

12 hours ago, Sir_Davos_Seaworth said:

Thanks gang! Yeah, she is quickly becoming my go to ship...  I can't say I've had any spectacular games so far...but nor have I had any real bad ones either... Love the German Hydro! 

The good games will come with practice, as to the bad ones..........let's hope that doesn't change.

[Xlap]

I like my Hipper. I even tought in buy Prinz Eugen. But to be honest PE is too expansive for a t8 ship that i already have. Anyway its a good ship, and a beast when its top tier.

[Guest]

Its a historical ship with appeal, however in game it's nothing special.