So apparently the Nelson is kinda meh? What do you think?

[Prkl8r]

Everybody thought the Nelson is going to be a great bow tanker...nope. 25mm of bow armor can be overmatched by just about every BB that it will face.

 

Curious as to what people think of this.

 

 

 

[crzyhawk]

Meh battleship IRL is meh in game.  Seems legit.

[Dunk_Master_Flex]

1 minute ago, crzyhawk said:

Meh battleship IRL is meh in game.  Seems legit.

 

I wouldn't exactly call it a meh battleship, it was one of the better interwar battleships produced. 

[Big_Spud]

I heard more praise than I did whining.

[Xlap]

It seems Nelson deals a lot of damage, with 9 16inch foward guns. But it also takes huge damage with 25 mm hull armor and high citadel. 

 

It looks like a lot both Izumo and Dunkerque, amazing guns but all the rest is kinda meh.

[crzyhawk]

7 minutes ago, xX_Critical_ClopOut69_Xx said:

 

I wouldn't exactly call it a meh battleship, it was one of the better interwar battleships produced. 

Meaning it was newer that Nagato or Colorado.  I prefer both over NelRod.  I prefer the Mew Mexes to the NelRods.  Meh battleship imo.

[Dunk_Master_Flex]

Just now, crzyhawk said:

Meaning it was newer that Nagato or Colorado.  I prefer both over NelRod.  I prefer the Mew Mexes to the NelRods.  Meh battleship imo.

 

Eh, I wouldn't exactly say Nagato or Colorado are superior to Nelson or Rodney.

 

Prefer what you'd like, I'd rather a Nelson anyday. 

[MajorRenegade]

dunkerque said hi

[BlailBlerg]

that flame vid seemed to give it the meh impression. 

also 24 knots, Kida boring. like USN Bbs.  Wish they actually got up to 24

[mofton]

9 minutes ago, crzyhawk said:

Meaning it was newer that Nagato or Colorado.  I prefer both over NelRod.  I prefer the Mew Mexes to the NelRods.  Meh battleship imo.

Meh IRL = ??? in game.

Nikolai was a piece of scrap. Gangut was a piece of scrap. Results - OP and Gudboat respectively.

2 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

Everyone wanted it at T7 instead of 8. This is the penalty of that. For some reason KGV at 7 and Nelson at 8 freaked everyone out, despite the fact it was WAY better in the long run for it.

23.5kt at T8 = ouchies.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

Never understood the excitement over Nelson in the first place.

[VTAdmiral]

Called it.

[Big_Spud]

And immediately people are calling the ship bad at tier 7, despite all of the reviews and data leaks we have on it pointing to it being at very worst, a decent ship, and at best an extremely solid, possibly abuse-able one in the correct hands.

 

Mmmm...

[crzyhawk]

14 minutes ago, mofton said:

Meh IRL = ??? in game.

 

The good news:  They got it right for a change.  Thou shalt not bring stalinium ships into the discussion.  Remember, Molotov managed  5 RPM somehow, when every bit of Western Documentation on them said 1.5ish.  They also give fantasy speeds to every one of those ships they they never finished, while the real ones, hovered around 32 knots.

[Dodgy_Cookies]

All T7 BBs are all kinda meh though except maybe Scharnhorst. Nelson is more of the same. Probably a bit stronger than Colorado/Nagato due to the 32mm deck/casemates vs 25.

[YamatoA150]

Who's bright idea is to bow tank in the Nelson?  The gun arcs are clearly favoring an angled style of gameplay; not bow on like Dunkerque or Izumo.

 

It's the kind of main gun setup that Izumo would love to have, though she's just as easy to damage thanks to near-uniform 32mm of armor making her a farming target for any IFHE equipped ship (which is the majority of non-203 cruisers and almost all DDs), and an AP catcher on her aft that Nelson doesn't have.

[Estimated_Prophet]

28 minutes ago, MajorRenegade said:

dunkerque said hi

 

Baguette was suppose to be a 'meh' boat too, and I seem to do just fine in it.

 

Overmatch is all fine and dandy, but for every four or six shells most battleships will fling unless they risk being broadsided; Dunkerque sends EIGHT in return, and Nelson will be sending NINE even bigger shells.

[mofton]

2 minutes ago, crzyhawk said:

The good news:  They got it right for a change.  Thou shalt not bring stalinium ships into the discussion.  Remember, Molotov managed  5 RPM somehow, when every bit of Western Documentation on them said 1.5ish.  They also give fantasy speeds to every one of those ships they they never finished, while the real ones, hovered around 32 knots.

Eh. there's a ton of questionable battleship choices: Arizona is significantly more accurate than New Mexico, Alabama is less accurate than North Carolina. Bayern is super fast. Kongo is vastly superior to New York. Etc. Etc.

It's ironic that in game Nelson's biggest weakness is entirely gameplay derived, and epitomizes how 'all or nothing' is disadvantaged over 'Atlantic' when IRL it should have been better.

What do you dislike about the Nelson class design anyway?

 

12 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

Yes *but* the added T8 32 mm plate vs. the 25mm T7 plate would have better served the Nelsons, by design, bow-on heavy gameplay style.

Making her a T8 she'd have been a similar bow tanker to North Carolina, only with inferior... pretty much everything. I don't think it would have been a cheerful mix. The impact of low speed on a ship which would see the T8-T10 maps all the time is difficult to quantify, but probably not much fun based on my Colorado experience.

No comment on KGV from me ever again!

[Xlap]

22 minutes ago, mofton said:

23.5kt at T8 = ouchies.

23,5kt no that bad for a bow tank. But 25 mm of armor is really bad.

[mofton]

Just now, Xlap said:

23,5kt no that bad for a bow tank. But 25 mm of armor is really bad.

It would get 32mm of armor at T8.

Every T7 battleship has 25mm armor on the extremities. The only difference is in the amount of extremity, but I've dev strike'd Colorado's through the bow in Iowa for instance. Scharn and Hood do a bit better with more dispersed armor but a 25mm bow is not a unique weakness.

 

Bow tanking should be discouraged anyway. It's a dumb, static and boring game mechanic.

[IronWolfV]

I wonder if Nelson has the same kind of FU plate Hood has?

[YamatoA150]

Except she gets 9 guns to bear at good angles and HE good enough to easily start fires with. The bow penalty is reasonable considering.

[Xlap]

3 minutes ago, mofton said:

It would get 32mm of armor at T8.

Every T7 battleship has 25mm armor on the extremities. The only difference is in the amount of extremity, but I've dev strike'd Colorado's through the bow in Iowa for instance. Scharn and Hood do a bit better with more dispersed armor but a 25mm bow is not a unique weakness.

 

Bow tanking should be discouraged anyway. It's a dumb, static and boring game mechanic.

Yep, and with 32 mm it could actually tank something. With 25mm its a tank that doesnt tank. Scharn and Hood have better speed, armor and their citadel is low in the water. So its hard to cit them. Nelson seems very easy to cit with no armor and high citadel. At t8 at least would have better armor for tanking. 

 

I love playing BBs, and altough i agree with you about bow tanking being boring, its also the only way BBs are tank. Mainly when the ship is large and slow like Nelson. 

[MorbidGamer]

This is why I am highly unlikely going to waste 375k xp on it. It can print Dreadnought and Fireproof flags... But only once per day.

[Prkl8r]

According to this one, the heal isn't even going to be as good as it is now so yeah.....there goes the up side.....