New HMS Nelson visual changes 6.10.0

[dseehafer]

Greetings all,

 

As the title says... there is a boatload of new visual changes on the HMS Nelson as she appears in the 6.10.0 test as compared to her current appearance in 6.9.0. Here are the ones I've noticed....

 

(Note, pics in the game are of 6.9.0 Nelson, GM3D pics are of 6.10.0 Nelson)

 

New coat of arms

 

 

 

No coat of arms

 

 

 

C turret is now littered with 20mm AA guns (This specific configuration Nelson had in the Mediterranean in 1943, not to be confused with her more often photographed 1945 configuration which had 6x1 20mm instead of 5x1 20mm on the C roof)

 

 

 

Naked C turret

 

 

 

20mm AA guns on the armored bridge were removed

 

 

 

old

 

 

 

The 20mm AA gun in this location was removed (mirrored on other side)

 

 

 

old

 

 

 

There are now two 20mm guns on this platform (mirrored)

 

 

 

There used to be only 1

 

 

 

In the image above ^ do you see the single 20mm AA gun platform to the right of the previously discussed platform?? Notice that there is nothing above it....

 

There is now another AA platform above it (mirrored)

 

 

 

Notice that there are now 2 20mm AA guns on the deck here and that the 20mm gun on the deck above it has a shield surrounding its base.

 

 

 

There used to be 3 on the deck, and the 20mm did not have a base-shield

 

 

 

That is now mirrored on both sides... the port side used to look like this with no AA guns on the deck in that area...

 

 

 

Notice in this image that the crane faces forwards, there is only one 20mm gun next to it, and there is a lifeboat by the base of the superstructure...

 

 

 

There used to be four 20mm AA guns here, a rearward facing crane, and no lifeboat at the base of the superstructure...

 

 

 

Notice that there is now clutter on the roofs of the 6" turrets and that there is a single 20mm AA gun on the lifeboat deck, there is also no ladder on deck...

 

 

 

The turret tops used to be naked and there was no 20mm AA gun on the lifeboat deck, there was also a ladder on deck.

 

 

 

There is no 20mm AA gun here (mirrored)...

 

 

 

There used to be one (mirrored)...

 

 

 

Nelson now has a name...

 

 

 

She used to be nameless, also she used to have a 20mm gun on her extreme stern...

 

 

 

Amidst all of that chaos with the 20mm AA mounts, she actually gained 2 mounts! She used to have 35, she now has 37. No other stats have been changed/altered as far as I can see.

[tcbaker777]

wait....so does she not have  her crest anymore?

 

[dseehafer]

Just now, tcbaker777 said:

wait....so does she not have  her crest anymore?

 

 

"(Note, pics in the game are of 6.9.0 Nelson, GM3D pics are of 6.10.0 Nelson)"

[dseehafer]

If anyone is wondering, Nelson had 41x1 20mm AA guns on board while she was in the Med in 1943, so while I'm confident our Nelson is based off of her Mediterranean configuration in 1943... she's still missing 4x1 20mm AA guns to be "spot on".

[TheZeke00]

Nice detective work, there   *thumbs up* 

[Dunk_Master_Flex]

Since WG seems deadset on using Nelson, I don't see why they aren't using her late war 1945 AA refit, seeing how it would not make her OP......alright....maybe a little bit. I would have preferred them have Rodney instead with meh early war AA and frontal submerged torps but this is the best we're getting so far. 

 

- Six single QF 4.7 in/40 Mk VIII anti-aircraft guns with 36 DPS at 4.5 km

 

- Four quad 40mm Bofors with 63 DPS at 3.5 km

 

- Six octuple 40mm Pom Pom's with 118 DPS at 2.5 km

 

- Sixty nine single 20mm Oerlikon's with 248 DPS at 2 km

 

Admittedly, that would be a huge powercreep for close range AA at Tier VII but I think it's a possible good thing to balance around up seeing how much Free XP Nelson is worth. Her long range AA is still average and all of it is easily destroyed and all short range. Maybe an anti-dive bomber ship?

 

Another thing, would it be historically accurate to put HE into her 6 inch secondary guns? As far as I can read, Navweapons hints at there being HE available and carried however, there is not info about the shells. Nelson's gun apparently did see a shell upgrade later in the war to fire newer shells but I can't find much else. 

 

 

 

[dseehafer]

8 hours ago, xX_Critical_ClopOut69_Xx said:

Since WG seems deadset on using Nelson, I don't see why they aren't using her late war 1945 AA refit, seeing how it would not make her OP......alright....maybe a little bit. I would have preferred them have Rodney instead with meh early war AA and frontal submerged torps but this is the best we're getting so far. 

 

- Six single QF 4.7 in/40 Mk VIII anti-aircraft guns with 36 DPS at 4.5 km

 

- Four quad 40mm Bofors with 63 DPS at 3.5 km

 

- Six octuple 40mm Pom Pom's with 118 DPS at 2.5 km

 

- Sixty nine single 20mm Oerlikon's with 248 DPS at 2 km

 

Admittedly, that would be a huge powercreep for close range AA at Tier VII but I think it's a possible good thing to balance around up seeing how much Free XP Nelson is worth. Her long range AA is still average and all of it is easily destroyed and all short range. Maybe an anti-dive bomber ship?

 

Another thing, would it be historically accurate to put HE into her 6 inch secondary guns? As far as I can read, Navweapons hints at there being HE available and carried however, there is not info about the shells. Nelson's gun apparently did see a shell upgrade later in the war to fire newer shells but I can't find much else. 

 

 

 

 

From what I understand, secondary guns larger than 152mm automatically fire AP in game and guns that are smaller always fire HE... at least, that's how it always used to be.

[TornadoADV]

That AA posting on top of C turret is where sailors go to die.

[KnightFandragon]

Yeah, Nelson, lets make it look worse, play worse, but now cost you money.

In addition to her losing all kinds of detailing, she got the huge, above water line citadel, cuz WG just cant seem to get away from that terrible design idea.....all it does is make BBs weak and more campy, since you cant move in and risk being flanked in any way.......which is odd, since BBs do nothing but fight from the flank, not this bow on...

[hoom]

Wouldn't some of this be A hull -> B hull differences we don't normally get to see in Port preview?

[dseehafer]

6 hours ago, hoom said:

Wouldn't some of this be A hull -> B hull differences we don't normally get to see in Port preview?

 

No, the current hull of Nelson in game is the old B hull (the old A hull is completely scrapped at this point). All of these changes I've pointed out are completely new. :)

[Cruxdei]

"WOW NELSON AA IS CRAP"

then WG proceeds to spam AA guns all over the ship

"it remains crap"

people are never happy.

[mofton]

11 hours ago, dseehafer said:

From what I understand, secondary guns larger than 152mm automatically fire AP in game and guns that are smaller always fire HE... at least, that's how it always used to be.

There's a British exception or two - Warspite fires HE from her 6in's for instance and the Wiki lists Iron Duke as packing HE on her 6in's too. I was somewhat expecting a repeat of that.

Otherwise Japanese 152's seem to throw AP all of the time, the USN doesn't have any either way and the KM has 150's - so your rule works.

[LittleWhiteMouse]

Good find.  I wonder if they fixed the clipping issue with C-turret's gun barrels.  Currently when aiming at range and traversing the guns, C-turret's barrels will not lower to complete the rotation, making the guns pass through the back of B-turret.  Once I noticed it, I couldn't stop seeing it. 

[Doomlock]

12 hours ago, dseehafer said:

 

From what I understand, secondary guns larger than 152mm automatically fire AP in game and guns that are smaller always fire HE... at least, that's how it always used to be.

Not totally, it's kinda flip flop with the shell type.

 

IJN 152mm secondaries I think fire HE, but the 140mm fire AP, as does the 155mm guns. 

 

Where as the German 150mm fires HE. 

 

Nelson's 152mm of course fire AP.

 

 

5 minutes ago, LittleWhiteMouse said:

Good find.  I wonder if they fixed the clipping issue with C-turret's gun barrels.  Currently when aiming at range and traversing the guns, C-turret's barrels will not lower to complete the rotation, making the guns pass through the back of B-turret.  Once I noticed it, I couldn't stop seeing it. 

Well. We know that the game can, Ibuki and Mogami both have that functionality. The question is will they remember to program that in?

[dseehafer]

6 minutes ago, Doomlock said:

Not totally, it's kinda flip flop with the shell type.

 

IJN 152mm secondaries I think fire HE, but the 140mm fire AP, as does the 155mm guns. 

 

 

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The IJN 152s fire AP

[mr3awsome]

The little tubs are called Zarebas. 

As always, an excellent thread. 

[FayFay731]

Too bad she's also in her final form so no buffed AA. 

[Doomlock]

15 minutes ago, dseehafer said:

 

The IJN 152s fire AP

They do? OK. I couldn't really remember. 

[MrKilmister]

I say WIP it.  WIP it good.

[Preditorian]

Think its worth the 375k free xp?

[dseehafer]

1 hour ago, Preditorian said:

Think its worth the 375k free xp?

 

Sure I do. I was going to get Nelson no matter what, this means I don't have to grind to get her. I do not care about how a ship performs in the game, I just care about the ships themselves. In either event, even turds like the Krym do decently well in CoOp.

[Big_Spud]

Nelson actually has quite good muzzle velocity and Krupp values on her 6" guns, as opposed to the German and low-mid tier Japanese AP secondaries. They should be a credible threat to same tier or lower cruisers that dare to show their broadside in range of them.

[hoom]

7 hours ago, Doomlock said:

Nelson's 152mm of course fire AP.

Is it RN Cruiser AP?

 

8 hours ago, dseehafer said:

No, the current hull of Nelson in game is the old B hull

OK

[HazeGrayUnderway]

18 hours ago, TornadoADV said:

That AA posting on top of C turret is where sailors go to die.

 

That's nothing.  At least there's a gun shield and some half-a$$ed gun tub for them.  If you look around many ships ingame, they have no protection to the crew whatsoever.  This is especially so the older the ships are.  There are some where you have gun positions on a pedestal raised up with no cover whatsoever.  No gun tub.  Not even a gun shield.  Not even a piece of canvas on rails wrapping around the position, not even futons.  Just completely exposed gun positions with zero care about what happens to those sailors.

 

They'd be standing their on the deck with no cover, shells and fragments flying all over the place.  FFS, what happens to those exposed crewmen when under air attack, gun strafes?  What happens to them when the ship is raked with .50cal, 20mm, etc. fire?

 

Old navies would go out of their way to protect their ships but didn't give 2 s--ts whatsoever about their sailors.