76 [F-N-S] ArnoldSchoenberg Members 572 posts 21,649 battles Report post #1 Posted August 11, 2017 And there is 8% WR between these two. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
420 [EATER] Shadeylark Beta Testers 1,946 posts 9,456 battles Report post #2 Posted August 11, 2017 radar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
506 Spartias Members 1,427 posts 9,373 battles Report post #3 Posted August 11, 2017 If you played the Iowa first, you likely had to play her stock for a bit as well as learn the ship. Missou however you'd already have the benefit of your Iowa experience. Either that or you're simply more confident in the Missou due to her slightly stronger bow protection and radar. If so, then you're psychologically giving yourself an advantage while playing it instead of the Iowa due to preconceived notions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
523 [SYN] Spooooooooooooooooooooon Beta Testers 1,280 posts 17,071 battles Report post #4 Posted August 11, 2017 Mighty Mo seems more badass somehow. I ran into the same phenomenon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
313 Psicopro Members 1,243 posts 5,495 battles Report post #5 Posted August 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, USSRichardNixon said: And there is 8% WR between these two. Why? Armor on the Missouri is better, you get away with more assuming you angle the same way in both. Radar is nice, but I'd take the added armor protection over it if someone forced me to choose. People who think radar is godking of top tier get caught in it too often. By tier 9/10, you should already know how to minimize your time caught in it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
846 [LOU1] ExploratorOne Members 4,369 posts 15,198 battles Report post #6 Posted August 11, 2017 In my case, the first salvo I fired in Randoms set my impression and feeling when playing the MO. A Dev Strike on a full health cruiser at around 20km within the first two minutes of battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,845 [RLGN] Estimated_Prophet Members 19,275 posts 35,790 battles Report post #7 Posted August 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Spartias said: If you played the Iowa first, you likely had to play her stock for a bit as well as learn the ship. Missou however you'd already have the benefit of your Iowa experience. Never played Iowa... Not exactly interested in doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,023 [HINON] Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi Alpha Tester 3,666 posts 8,087 battles Report post #8 Posted August 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Spartias said: If you played the Iowa first, you likely had to play her stock for a bit as well as learn the ship. Missou however you'd already have the benefit of your Iowa experience. Either that or you're simply more confident in the Missou due to her slightly stronger bow protection and radar. If so, then you're psychologically giving yourself an advantage while playing it instead of the Iowa due to preconceived notions. I have to agree with you there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
506 Spartias Members 1,427 posts 9,373 battles Report post #9 Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, Estimated_Prophet said: Never played Iowa... Not exactly interested in doing so. Iowa is a great ship, especially in the smoke heavy meta. Pop that spotter plane and drill them in smoke. Tons of fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,852 Madwolf05 ∞ Alpha Tester 7,170 posts 4,070 battles Report post #10 Posted August 11, 2017 You have to grind out the stock Iowa, where as you don't have to with the Missouri, and the Missouri has a thicker frontal bulkhead so it takes less wth pens through the nose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,849 [AXANR] poeticmotion Members 3,650 posts 23,502 battles Report post #11 Posted August 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, USSRichardNixon said: And there is 8% WR between these two. Why? No stock grind. And on average, people with Missouri are more experienced players since they can't get one until they have 750k free XP (even if they spend doubloons to convert it, they still have to earn the XP.) Yes, there are plenty of potatoes with lots of experience, but you're still eliminating at least some players who simply rushed up the line to Iowa and don't have the skill to play at high-tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,113 [CHASE] Komrade_Rylo Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 2,973 posts 13,112 battles Report post #12 Posted August 11, 2017 Unless you free xp'd your iowa out of stock, you're playing a ship with 10k less hp, 9 knots less speed, 3km less range, MUCH worse AA, worse manuevability, and probably with an untrained commander and little to no upgrades due to being out of money bc t9 ships are expensive to buy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
54 [BOATC] wdarkk Members 387 posts 15,268 battles Report post #13 Posted August 11, 2017 Radaring a British CL smoked up broadside to you is always hilarious. Thanks for the cits! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,206 [PVE] Sovereigndawg Members 12,079 posts 21,321 battles Report post #14 Posted August 11, 2017 Same, same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #15 Posted August 11, 2017 "Stock grind" is an excuse. They're effectively the same ship. It's psychological. And a bit of luck, I wager. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,849 [AXANR] poeticmotion Members 3,650 posts 23,502 battles Report post #16 Posted August 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, AraAragami said: "Stock grind" is an excuse. They're effectively the same ship. It's psychological. And a bit of luck, I wager. A stock Iowa has 11k less hp, far worse AA, and turns significantly worse. And there are many stock grinds far worse than Iowa's. Not an excuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,912 [CNO] Soshi_Sone Members 7,450 posts 23,087 battles Report post #17 Posted August 11, 2017 With proper support, an MO does better as the core of a push force. This is especially so considering the radar. The Iowa, with its spotter (and no radar) tends to find comfort at longer ranges. IMHO, the former nets more wins than the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #18 Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, poeticmotion said: A stock Iowa has 11k less hp, far worse AA, and turns significantly worse. And there are many stock grinds far worse than Iowa's. Not an excuse. And how many people actually grind stock hulls in high tier ships? I free-XP to the B hull on anything tier 8 or higher before I ever take it out, because stock hulls being terrible is a widely known fact. I can't be the only person who does this. And this practice eliminates the "stock hull" excuse entirely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #19 Posted August 11, 2017 I did stock grind on most ships because of MO :D only one that really sucked was FDG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,113 [CHASE] Komrade_Rylo Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 2,973 posts 13,112 battles Report post #20 Posted August 11, 2017 1 minute ago, AraAragami said: And how many people actually grind stock hulls in high tier ships? I free-XP to the B hull on anything tier 8 or higher before I ever take it out, because stock hulls being terrible is a widely known fact. I can't be the only person who does this. And this practice eliminates the "stock hull" excuse entirely. A lot of people grind stock ships. There is a reason why stock hull colorado and fusou were removed, as well as stock izumo being buffed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #21 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Fog_Battleship_NCarolina said: A lot of people grind stock ships. There is a reason why stock hull colorado and fusou were removed, as well as stock izumo being buffed. I understand that there are people who grind them. But at the same time I can't be the only one who doesn't under the understanding that stock hulls are intentionally terrible. Tiers 2-7 yeah I'll grind it, but in tiers that see T10 I won't handicap myself like that. Edited August 11, 2017 by AraAragami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
691 [LLMF] StoptheViolins Alpha Tester 2,544 posts Report post #22 Posted August 11, 2017 There is that armor thread that says the two ships - Iowa and Missouri have different armor up front and the armor favors the Missouri.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,849 [AXANR] poeticmotion Members 3,650 posts 23,502 battles Report post #23 Posted August 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, AraAragami said: I understand that there are people who grind them. But at the same time I can't be the only one who doesn't under the understanding that stock hulls are intentionally terrible. Tiers 2-7 yeah I'll grind it, but in tiers that see T10 I won't handicap myself like that. ok, that's you. Not every player is like you. You should be able to ascertain that by the number of stock ships you see in random battles even in high-tier games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,448 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,823 posts 26,907 battles Report post #24 Posted August 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, Spartias said: her slightly stronger bow protection 39 minutes ago, Psicopro said: Armor on the Missouri is better Very marginally so. I'm willing to bet that in 90% of matches it doesn't come into play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,043 [SALTY] Ace_04 Members 8,930 posts 18,292 battles Report post #25 Posted August 11, 2017 44 minutes ago, Spooooooooooooooooooooon said: Mighty Mo seems more badass somehow. I ran into the same phenomenon. Probably because of the confidence radar instills so as not to have to fear DD's in your BB anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
