I hate the Edinburgh...

[Murakumo_96]

She is just an uptiered Fiji that can face the DM, Moskva, and the T10 battleships...

Is not that the ship is bad, but I feel that she has 0 carry potential, in terms of damage and XP is very similar to my other cruisers, but on wr she is below to the rest. Granted, I haven't played all T8 cruisers, only 4 of them, but they have something that makes them fun or have good carry potential... or in the case of the Mogami I think I was pretty lucky...

Take a look:

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As I said, XP is similar and the damage is actually higher than the others, but the wr is the worst. You could say that I have pretty close wr on the Hipper, but I actually liked that ship a lot, it was the first taste of the Hindenburg's AP, she is fun in general, but the Edinburgh is not fun, is not like I don't enjoy the RN CLs gameplay, I loved the Leander and the Fiji.

Fortunately, I need only 13k more xp to get the Neptune, I hope she is better than the Edinburgh and don't dissapoint me.

[anonym_Hf93Jbjm9WjT]

Me and my Edinburgh have been deleted from matches too many times to count, often right at the beginning. Just show your broadside,blink, and you are gone. I do prefer the Fiji (which thank heavens I kept).

[Murakumo_96]

6 minutes ago, nuttybiscuit said:

Me and my Edinburgh have been deleted from matches too many times to count, often right at the beginning. Just show your broadside,blink, and you are gone. I do prefer the Fiji (which thank heavens I kept).

I have never been deleted in mine, but she just does not have the same carry potential as the Fiji does at T7, and she has very minor changes and doesn't stand out as others T8 criuisers.

[Kapitan_Wuff]

I feel the same, Fiji was a joy.. but I can't hardly make the Edin work for me.

[Ju87s]

I didn't like the Edinburgh when I was grinding through her.  Like others have said, it's like playing an uptiered Fiji.  However, I've played it more recently and liked her better than I did the first time through.  The healing is really good, much better than the Fiji, but yeah the Fiji's maneuverability makes it a much better tier for tier ship.  The Neptune is definitely worth it though.  I actually like it better than the Minotaur.  And it has the best AA in the game for trolling skycancer players.

[Feminist]

I actually completely agree with OP. The Edinburgh is basically a Fiji with worse matchmaking. IMO Leander and Fiji are the highlight of the line, and there really isn't much point in going past the Fiji. My Minotaur is mothballed now, the giant citadel makes it infuriating to play. 

[KamiSamurai]

Fiji is really in a good spot.. the Edinburgh not so much. I don't feel like there is that much of a difference between the 2 except the heal?

[UltimateNewbie]

1 minute ago, KamiSamurai said:

Fiji is really in a good spot.. the Edinburgh not so much. I don't feel like there is that much of a difference between the 2 except the heal?

 

The Edin is quite a bit stealthier because it can access the Tier 8 concealment module.  It has a stronger heal and bit stronger AA.  But it is easier to contest caps in an Edin, but more enemies have radar which makes it feel relatively weak.  

 

The Neptune is great - dual purpose main guns = massive increase in AA power (Manual AA is a must), two sets of torps either side, but it is back to Fiji levels of detection (about 10km - which hurts).  The Mino goes back to a stealthier ship again.  

 

Tbh, the whole line from Leander on is pretty good.  Plays quite differently from other nations.  

[Murakumo_96]

3 minutes ago, KamiSamurai said:

Fiji is really in a good spot.. the Edinburgh not so much. I don't feel like there is that much of a difference between the 2 except the heal?

The Heal, 5k more HP, 2 more km in torps, 2 more secondaries, a bit better concealment (thanks to the module, stock is 200 m less stealthy than the Fiji) and actually pretty good AA if you have manual AA (wich I do)

I think there are not enough difference to do a ship like the Fiji face the T10 monsters.

[Ulthwey]

4 hours ago, Jorge_Beaven said:

She is just an uptiered Fiji that can face the DM, Moskva, and the T10 battleships...

Is not that the ship is bad, but I feel that she has 0 carry potential, in terms of damage and XP is very similar to my other cruisers, but on wr she is below to the rest. Granted, I haven't played all T8 cruisers, only 4 of them, but they have something that makes them fun or have good carry potential... or in the case of the Mogami I think I was pretty lucky...

Take a look:

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As I said, XP is similar and the damage is actually higher than the others, but the wr is the worst. You could say that I have pretty close wr on the Hipper, but I actually liked that ship a lot, it was the first taste of the Hindenburg's AP, she is fun in general, but the Edinburgh is not fun, is not like I don't enjoy the RN CLs gameplay, I loved the Leander and the Fiji.

Fortunately, I need only 13k more xp to get the Neptune, I hope she is better than the Edinburgh and don't dissapoint me.

 

Not that I disagree, but the problem is with the matchmaking not with the ship. Edinburg itself is a very good ship, it just doesnt uptier well. If you were in tier 8 matches most of the time, you'd be faring much better on consistent basis. But with tier 5 and 8 matchmaking being sh*tty as it is, ships like Hipper, Chappy, Mogami and Edinburg (and EVERY tier 8 CV) are constantly being f*cked over because they just cant go up against tier Xs. What the f*ck is a Hipper supposed to do against a Kurfurst or a Montana? One salvo from either of them, and you are f*cking finished ... no matter how you angle.

 

Blame the matchmaker not the ship, the ship itself is pretty good. Just like Hipper is a good ship for TIER 8 GAMES.

[MrDeaf]

Really? You enjoyed Hipper more than Edinburgh?
I thought Edinburgh was a better ship than Hipper, in the overall, grand scheme, of things.

IMO, RNCL line is fantastic at murdering DDs with AP shells near caps.
The fact that you can get in REALLY close to the cap helps out majorly, and the DD you are hammering away at will have to back straight out, if they don't want to eat a ton of damage by going broadside to your guns.

As in, if you play the ship as a DD support ship and let the DD do the spotting, so long as your aim is true, you can absolutely murder red DDs that get spotted and try to run away.

I think the key thing is to anticipate getting spotted and slowing down for smoke, before the red DD makes contact with your friendly DD.
Unlike Mogami or Atago, which are also good at nuking DDs at close range, you can do this from inside of smoke, so you can get turned around if things go south, without getting deleted.
In Mogami and Atago, you would have to get turned around BEFORE you get spotted, or have an island to hide behind, because you are going to be the closest thing the reds will have to shoot at, second only from the friendly DD that likely has smoked.

[IronWolfV]

2 hours ago, Ulthwey said:

 

Not that I disagree, but the problem is with the matchmaking not with the ship. Edinburg itself is a very good ship, it just doesnt uptier well. If you were in tier 8 matches most of the time, you'd be faring much better on consistent basis. But with tier 5 and 8 matchmaking being sh*tty as it is, ships like Hipper, Chappy, Mogami and Edinburg (and EVERY tier 8 CV) are constantly being f*cked over because they just cant go up against tier Xs. What the f*ck is a Hipper supposed to do against a Kurfurst or a Montana? One salvo from either of them, and you are f*cking finished ... no matter how you angle.

 

Blame the matchmaker not the ship, the ship itself is pretty good. Just like Hipper is a good ship for TIER 8 GAMES.

Hipper a good ship? Not really, though I guess with the HE change she got a lot better. Because before the HE change, that AP was such a double edged sword. Angle that superstructure even and ricochet for days.

[Montana_Prussian]

Eddy is a good ship,but NOT when facing T10's.

[IronWolfV]

Guess people want an up tiered Belfast instead of a Fiji. 

[TangledThorns]

I love my Eddy! Just get in range, cut speed, smoke, shoot, repeat!

 

 

[IronWolfV]

2 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

I love my Eddy! Just get in range, cut speed, smoke, shoot, repeat!

 

 

Till you get lit up like a Christmas tree with radar.

[StoptheViolins]

Play it like a big fat, trolly british cruiser or a DD, whichever you prefer.

[Psicopro]

8 hours ago, Jorge_Beaven said:

She is just an uptiered Fiji that can face the DM, Moskva, and the T10 battleships...

Is not that the ship is bad, but I feel that she has 0 carry potential, in terms of damage and XP is very similar to my other cruisers, but on wr she is below to the rest. Granted, I haven't played all T8 cruisers, only 4 of them, but they have something that makes them fun or have good carry potential... or in the case of the Mogami I think I was pretty lucky...

Take a look:

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As I said, XP is similar and the damage is actually higher than the others, but the wr is the worst. You could say that I have pretty close wr on the Hipper, but I actually liked that ship a lot, it was the first taste of the Hindenburg's AP, she is fun in general, but the Edinburgh is not fun, is not like I don't enjoy the RN CLs gameplay, I loved the Leander and the Fiji.

Fortunately, I need only 13k more xp to get the Neptune, I hope she is better than the Edinburgh and don't dissapoint me.

Statistically it isn't that far off from the Hipper.  50 battles and only a 1% variance could be a statistical snafu.  Tier 8 is REALLY hard to carry when tier 10 is in the game anyway because the power of the ships is so skewed at that range.

 

I wouldn't sweat it so much.  I have ships that I suck in terribly when I was just starting the game (some of my AS specced US carriers come to mind) but for some reason RNGesus kept sending me purple angels to carry me to victory.  

[Cobraclutch]

Edinburgh is my strongest tier 8 cruisers.

 

A great cruiser. So powerful much stronger then fiji just for the concealment alone..

 

The citadel is very well protected compared to Neptune 

[TangledThorns]

57 minutes ago, IronWolfV said:

Till you get lit up like a Christmas tree with radar.

 

Not a bug deal if you avoid ships with radar ;)

[SyndicatedINC]

Edinburgh was so difficult to use compared to the Neptune and Minotaur because as many above stated, it basically faces the same opponents, but the Neptune and Minotaur get much higher volumes of fire to put out than the Edinburgh.  With the fewer rounds you are able to throw down range, the T10 opponents ability to bounce 90%+ of your shots really starts to hurt, and with no DoT HE for your main guns you have no viable alternative for ranged combat.

 

In short what makes Edinburgh bad is as stated the MM which effectively forces your damage dealing abilities to come down to luck+enemy incompetence rather than your own skill.

[DrunkenSailor63]

On 8/11/2017 at 7:55 AM, TangledThorns said:

I love my Eddy! Just get in range, cut speed, smoke, shoot, repeat!

 

 

Never seems to work in Eddy. First, the range is too low.  You die before getting in range.  Second, it takes too long to slow down...you only get in smoke after taking significant damage.  Finally, because range is so low, you are already mostly in torp range of whatever DDs were around, so you get torped in the smoke.  Finally (and this happens FAR too often, your engine gets knocked out as you are slowing down, meaning you never do actually stop in the smoke, but rather glide along slowly providing basic target practice for the by now many ships around you.

I hate it, so far.  Get deleted at an alarming rate.  you are playing against ships that have the same or better conceal, much better guns, and outrange you by 5-6km.

 

[edited to add]  Played a few more games in it, after upgrading hull and range.  Those helped, but ship still sucks.  tell me what I am missing.  What does Edinburg do better than any other T8 cruiser?  It seems like basically a very underwhelming cruiser that you can sometimes make serviceable with smoke.  Even then, you have to rain hundreds of shells down to do any damage.  Hard to hit DDs as suggested above because the guns suck...any DD at range just needs to dodge.  Any DD up close is a stupid DD, which doesn't mean the Edinburg is a good ship.

I've been trying to grind it while working on the British Invasion task [50k damage from main guns], and haven't even come vaguely close.

If anyone has an answer to the 'what does Edinburg do better' question, I'm all ears.  Neptune and Minotaur seem great, and I did pretty good in all the other t8 cruisers, but I completely suck at Edinburg.  I'd rather play Tashkent, if that tells you anything.  At least with it you have speed and maneuverability.  And about the same range, which shows how bad the range in Edinburg is.

[DrunkenSailor63]

On ‎8‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 0:11 AM, Jorge_Beaven said:

She is just an uptiered Fiji that can face the DM, Moskva, and the T10 battleships...

Is not that the ship is bad, but I feel that she has 0 carry potential, in terms of damage and XP is very similar to my other cruisers, but on wr she is below to the rest. Granted, I haven't played all T8 cruisers, only 4 of them, but they have something that makes them fun or have good carry potential... or in the case of the Mogami I think I was pretty lucky...

Take a look:

  Reveal hidden contents

As I said, XP is similar and the damage is actually higher than the others, but the wr is the worst. You could say that I have pretty close wr on the Hipper, but I actually liked that ship a lot, it was the first taste of the Hindenburg's AP, she is fun in general, but the Edinburgh is not fun, is not like I don't enjoy the RN CLs gameplay, I loved the Leander and the Fiji.

Fortunately, I need only 13k more xp to get the Neptune, I hope she is better than the Edinburgh and don't dissapoint me.

Share you secret...how do you get similar damage?  I don't come vaguely close.  AP only shells against ships which can bounce them...not much you can do.  CA's make damage with their HE, generally.  It does ok against other cruisers, IF they get in range.  Which they don't need to do, so only bad ones get in range. 

Same problem in Fiji, but different tier ships.  T7 and below BBs don't bounce all those shells.  T8 and up BBs do.  So moving up tier pretty much destroys Edinburg, it seems.  Even in Fiji, it was a big problem.  I played it some in ranked (where it did really well, just below the Payfast, I think), but lots of Scharn's in those matches, and if they charge your smoke, you are basically just flicking your finger on them---annoying but not really doing any damage.  Worse with higher tier BBs.

Also, it is a support ship, which means you rely on your teammates.  And lately relying on your teammates in WoWS is mostly a lost cause.  For example, whenever I do manage to get in a good spot and smoke...no one spots anything.  That also means that no one is spotting the DDs gleefully approaching with their torps.  Meaning you aren't doing any damage, but at least you are adding to their stats.  :-)

I watched Flamu's video on it, and while I really respect Flamu, in that game he had lots of idiots to shoot at.  I don't seem so lucky.  Ships stay at range, and no one spots.