IJN CV's Should be removed

[Drazil_]

I have been playing for a while and have come to the conclusion that IJN CV's need to be removed from the game, or at least warn players from going down that path.

 

1. Tier 4 IJN CV was commissioned in 1922 and is often put against the USN CV commissioned in 1943. The planes assigned to the IJN CV last flew in 1942. This gives the USN navel aircraft an unfair advantage. The same upgraded plane for the IJN Tier 4 Hosho is used through Tier 6, while the USN planes are upgraded to 1943-1945 planes, again giving the USN an unfair advantage. If the game was going to be truly fair and historically accurate then they should be giving Tier 4-6 IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943 when it became a little more even until 1944 when the USN began to dominate.

In conclusion, the developers should either remove IJN CV's from the game or provide advanced warning that the IJN CV's are heavily discounted against the USN CV's due to the age and technological advantages coming from a 20 year age difference between the two. Then advise players not to take the IJN route if they are interested in CV's.

[Unabletony]

It's a game. Don't try and take most of history into this.

[SireneRacker]

Should someone tell OP that IJN CVs are stronger?

[Dictonary]

Just now, SireneRacker said:

Should someone tell OP that IJN CVs are stronger?

Yes. IJN carriers are often better than USN carriers.

[pikohan]

As much as I hate CVs... 

[Pakuma_]

You don't come to wows for complete historical accuracy.

 

[Dictonary]

And you are using tier 4 CVs as an example. What?

[MidnightShamalan]

don't play USN BBs guys. the South Carolina is terrible vs higher tiers, therefore the entire line is terrible. they should just remove all USN BBs.

 

i'm so good at advice.

[BiggieD61]

52 minutes ago, Drazil_of_Smeg said:

I have been playing for a while and have come to the conclusion that IJN CV's need to be removed from the game, or at least warn players from going down that path.

 

1. Tier 4 IJN CV was commissioned in 1922 and is often put against the USN CV commissioned in 1943. The planes assigned to the IJN CV last flew in 1942. This gives the USN navel aircraft an unfair advantage. The same upgraded plane for the IJN Tier 4 Hosho is used through Tier 6, while the USN planes are upgraded to 1943-1945 planes, again giving the USN an unfair advantage. If the game was going to be truly fair and historically accurate then they should be giving Tier 4-6 IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943 when it became a little more even until 1944 when the USN began to dominate.

In conclusion, the developers should either remove IJN CV's from the game or provide advanced warning that the IJN CV's are heavily discounted against the USN CV's due to the age and technological advantages coming from a 20 year age difference between the two. Then advise players not to take the IJN route if they are interested in CV's.

Your first post, and it's just plain wrong.

If you look at NA server win rates, you will find a simple fact, USN CV's from tier 6- tier 10 are in the bottom 20 ships for win rate - Except for the tier 10 Midway, they are all in the bottom 10 ships for win rate.    The only American CV's that come close to IJN CV win rates are the Premium Saipan and Enterprise.  If anything, the US CV's need significant help to be on the same level with the IJN, since on average they have a 5-7% negative win rate differential.

If I was a smartass I would post that clip from Billy Madison, I'm sure you know the one I am talking about.

[Ducc_ducc]

Oh no, god no. I just got shoukaku, don't take it away from me.

But really, why?

[Nighteyez]

Interesting that the USN CV's suck until you get to the very top. I have a feeling it is going to be a long grind for me, since my dad served on the USS Midway (during the Korean war), and that is the ship I want to work up to. I am currently at tier 6 and find it very difficult to win. Seems my fighters are terrible compared to any others out there, even when I use the two fighter squadron one bomber squadron mod. So I don't know how you can say the IJN's are terrible. I have only been playing 8 days and know the USN's need work.

[Strachwitz666]

On 8/10/2017 at 1:10 AM, Drazil_of_Smeg said:

I have been playing for a while and have come to the conclusion that IJN CV's need to be removed from the game, or at least warn players from going down that path.

 

1. Tier 4 IJN CV was commissioned in 1922 and is often put against the USN CV commissioned in 1943. The planes assigned to the IJN CV last flew in 1942. This gives the USN navel aircraft an unfair advantage. The same upgraded plane for the IJN Tier 4 Hosho is used through Tier 6, while the USN planes are upgraded to 1943-1945 planes, again giving the USN an unfair advantage. If the game was going to be truly fair and historically accurate then they should be giving Tier 4-6 IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943 when it became a little more even until 1944 when the USN began to dominate.

In conclusion, the developers should either remove IJN CV's from the game or provide advanced warning that the IJN CV's are heavily discounted against the USN CV's due to the age and technological advantages coming from a 20 year age difference between the two. Then advise players not to take the IJN route if they are interested in CV's.

USS Langley was a carrier in 1920. Yea Bogue and Indep 42 , and have AC from 35's-41,43, but Hosho has late model Claudes circa about 1940 . Wildcats,  of course better(really of same age 35-41) than Claudes.  Yes the  Hosho can fight T6 CV's(if in a paired battle)and F6's off T5 Bogue,  but  the CV Tier structure is based more on Air-group /carrier/hanger SIZE than actual commission dates. And your 20 year gap argument uses ship date for one and latest model AC for the other, whereas the actual fighter aircraft difference is really only 1-3 years . And the last US aircraft through T6 is the Hellcat which is 1943 , there are no 1945 planes on T-4-5-6 US CV's. On the flip side , using your argument, the Langley can end up fight the Zuiho. Nobody is crying about a 20 year difference there )1920 Langley/1940 Zuiho)

 

In game,  if you consider US CV's always  to be superior to IJN CV's, you're playing IJN CV's wrong. The US at times has superior(larger) squadrons , but the IJN has more squadrons  per CV after T4. 

 

 

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" IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943" 

 

LOL, The IJNAS had at best, parity, with the USN at the start of the war, only managed to "dominate" in the PI campaign(against US Army/colonial forces) when they had multiple friendly airfields in range (Formosa) and a massive surprise attack advantage. During the rest of 1942 , through the battles of Coral, Sea, Midway, and the Solomon's Campaign that parity became history, so did the IJN/IJNAS as a decisive and/or effective force. In no CV battle or the Solomon Campaign in 1942 did the IJN "dominate", nor did they have superior aircraft.(Both sides had and used equal or obsolete aircraft and had pilots of equal skill. 

[Comrade_Nemo]

Tier 4 USS Langley was laid down in 1913, and converted into America's 1st carrier in 1920. 1943?

In WoWs she's not competitive with the Tier 4 IJN CV.

[More_Witches]

On 8/10/2017 at 2:10 AM, Drazil_of_Smeg said:

I have been playing for a while and have come to the conclusion that IJN CV's need to be removed from the game, or at least warn players from going down that path.

 

1. Tier 4 IJN CV was commissioned in 1922 and is often put against the USN CV commissioned in 1943. The planes assigned to the IJN CV last flew in 1942. This gives the USN navel aircraft an unfair advantage. The same upgraded plane for the IJN Tier 4 Hosho is used through Tier 6, while the USN planes are upgraded to 1943-1945 planes, again giving the USN an unfair advantage. If the game was going to be truly fair and historically accurate then they should be giving Tier 4-6 IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943 when it became a little more even until 1944 when the USN began to dominate.

In conclusion, the developers should either remove IJN CV's from the game or provide advanced warning that the IJN CV's are heavily discounted against the USN CV's due to the age and technological advantages coming from a 20 year age difference between the two. Then advise players not to take the IJN route if they are interested in CV's.

[Keiki_Haniyasushin]

Ok, let's say we do remove it. How do we compensate players who did grind down the line?

 

Not that I am in favor of removing it. My highest tier ship is the Ryujo, which is an IJN CV.

[Feminist]

5 hours ago, TwinTanker said:

Ok, let's say we do remove it. How do we compensate players who did grind down the line?

 

Not that I am in favor of removing it. My highest tier ship is the Ryujo, which is an IJN CV.

Refund their XP as free XP. 

[tcbaker777]

On 8/10/2017 at 2:10 AM, Drazil_of_Smeg said:

I have been playing for a while and have come to the conclusion that IJN CV's need to be removed from the game, or at least warn players from going down that path.

 

1. Tier 4 IJN CV was commissioned in 1922 and is often put against the USN CV commissioned in 1943. The planes assigned to the IJN CV last flew in 1942. This gives the USN navel aircraft an unfair advantage. The same upgraded plane for the IJN Tier 4 Hosho is used through Tier 6, while the USN planes are upgraded to 1943-1945 planes, again giving the USN an unfair advantage. If the game was going to be truly fair and historically accurate then they should be giving Tier 4-6 IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943 when it became a little more even until 1944 when the USN began to dominate.

In conclusion, the developers should either remove IJN CV's from the game or provide advanced warning that the IJN CV's are heavily discounted against the USN CV's due to the age and technological advantages coming from a 20 year age difference between the two. Then advise players not to take the IJN route if they are interested in CV's.

[Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi]

On 8/10/2017 at 2:10 AM, Drazil_of_Smeg said:

I have been playing for a while and have come to the conclusion that IJN CV's need to be removed from the game, or at least warn players from going down that path.

 

1. Tier 4 IJN CV was commissioned in 1922 and is often put against the USN CV commissioned in 1943. The planes assigned to the IJN CV last flew in 1942. This gives the USN navel aircraft an unfair advantage. The same upgraded plane for the IJN Tier 4 Hosho is used through Tier 6, while the USN planes are upgraded to 1943-1945 planes, again giving the USN an unfair advantage. If the game was going to be truly fair and historically accurate then they should be giving Tier 4-6 IJN planes the major advantage because history clearly proved that the IJN navel aircraft and navy dominated until 1943 when it became a little more even until 1944 when the USN began to dominate.

In conclusion, the developers should either remove IJN CV's from the game or provide advanced warning that the IJN CV's are heavily discounted against the USN CV's due to the age and technological advantages coming from a 20 year age difference between the two. Then advise players not to take the IJN route if they are interested in CV's.

[tcbaker777]

1 minute ago, Fog_Repair_Ship_Akashi said:

[Doomlock]

So....you are saying you want the IJN carrier line, the carriers within the nation which perfected carrier tactics, strategy, and had the finest carrier strike force in the world at the beginning of WWII, you want them removed?

 

 

OK.

[Middcore]

The IJN CV's are almost all better than the USN CV's at the same tier in the game, you weapon.

[I_HATE_CVs]

rip off for those who just got it or got it