1,815 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,245 posts 16,911 battles Report post #1 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) And she looks like a very strong contender for top T8 BB, too. 2 quad torp launchers, nearly 20% thicker armor than Amagi with the same broadside, and a stronger AA suite than every battleship but the Iowa, Missouri, and Montana. Edited August 10, 2017 by ValkyrWarframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
293 TheZeke00 Wiki Editor 798 posts Report post #2 Posted August 10, 2017 lshizuchi is finally getting an older cousin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,482 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,859 posts 27,305 battles Report post #3 Posted August 10, 2017 As a self-professed battleship main, I want one. Looking a lot better than Mutsu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,967 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway Members 39,333 posts 31,553 battles Report post #4 Posted August 10, 2017 The torpedo location and Mutsuki torps is laughable but the rest looks pretty good. It better be amazing to be in the same league as Amagi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,815 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,245 posts 16,911 battles Report post #5 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said: The torpedo location and Mutsuki torps is laughable but the rest looks pretty good. It better be amazing to be in the same league as Amagi. Mutsuki's torpedoes still do more damage than Tirpitz's. You get a quad launcher too, so it'll have more knockout punch than 4 G7s to the face since it gets 4 tubes on a side as well. SEA group's leaked stats also indicated it will have better AA than NC or Alabama. A torpedo brawler with godlike AA and Japanese main battery accuracy is going to be a nasty foe. Edited August 10, 2017 by ValkyrWarframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
409 [GC] thehelmsman Alpha Tester 1,120 posts 5,252 battles Report post #6 Posted August 10, 2017 Man, this thing looks like it's going to be a real beast. --Helms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
131 SkyRail Members 604 posts 8,367 battles Report post #7 Posted August 10, 2017 I heard that this ship will have a even shorter main gun range than Amagi tho.... but IJN BB with 6km torp and good AA at T8 is surely sth worth lookforward to. 1 Akizuki on each side, + Japanese Bofors + a bunch of 25mm~ isn't her AA just shy of NC at T8 ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
509 MutsuKaiNi Members 333 posts 10,811 battles Report post #8 Posted August 10, 2017 I've been waiting for Kii to get into the game, I thought she would have been tier 9 with Tosa at tier 8 but I'm not complaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
28 [ARP] CaptainStevieX Beta Testers 59 posts 21,228 battles Report post #9 Posted August 10, 2017 initial stat leak here (subject to change of course). some things do worry me about it though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
782 [NFLT] Gen_Saris Members 1,938 posts 11,155 battles Report post #10 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Lert said: As a self-professed battleship main, I want one. Looking a lot better than Mutsu. Agreed... Mutsu has been a big disappointment. Poor armor, poor gun accuracy, less-than-stellar speed, and torps that get knocked out more often than not, plus they require exposing your broadside in order to fire = instant citadel. Mutsu doesn't even get the decent secondary range of her tier 7 sister, that would at least make closing to torp range a desirable thing. I was pondering selling off my entire Jap BB line when the Brits come out, now I may just wait and see. If this thing plays like a Tier 8 zucchini I might just go after her. Edited August 10, 2017 by Gen_Saris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
177 LastSamurai714 Members 513 posts 10,245 battles Report post #11 Posted August 12, 2017 After watching the stat preview...less excited. Worse than Amagi...novelty torps...better AA. Not worth what it will cost in real world money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,299 [VCRUZ] Xlap Members 4,049 posts 9,180 battles Report post #12 Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) Yep, at last. But to be honest im not very impressed with Kii so far. You lose a lot of gun performance for just a little more armor. You got nice secundaries (but not as good as germans)and torps, but Kii is not a brawler. Its also not as good as Amagi at kite and snipe. I mean, t8 is pretty good for BB, all of them are very good. Amagi is a good kiter/sniper, NC/Alabama are good sniper/ bow tank, Bismarck/Tirpitz are good brawlers. Kii doesnt seems to fit at none. Edited August 13, 2017 by Xlap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
16 [NULL] InclinedToRun Members 112 posts 3,457 battles Report post #13 Posted August 13, 2017 On 8/9/2017 at 9:12 PM, ValkyrWarframe said: And she looks like a very strong contender for top T8 BB, too. 2 quad torp launchers, nearly 20% thicker armor than Amagi with the same broadside, and a stronger AA suite than every battleship but the Iowa, Missouri, and Montana. Kii last i checked doesn't have better AA than Ncar and alabama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,815 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,245 posts 16,911 battles Report post #14 Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, InclinedToRun said: Kii last i checked doesn't have better AA than Ncar and alabama. The 100mm/65 guns on Kii put out more DPS than the 127mm/38s on USN BBs. Look at the video above for more info. Edited August 14, 2017 by ValkyrWarframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
294 [FDK] Xwing_Red1 Members 1,535 posts Report post #15 Posted August 15, 2017 On 9/8/2017 at 9:51 PM, ValkyrWarframe said: Mutsuki's torpedoes still do more damage than Tirpitz's. You get a quad launcher too, so it'll have more knockout punch than 4 G7s to the face since it gets 4 tubes on a side as well. SEA group's leaked stats also indicated it will have better AA than NC or Alabama. A torpedo brawler with godlike AA and Japanese main battery accuracy is going to be a nasty foe. On 9/8/2017 at 9:03 PM, HazeGrayUnderway said: The torpedo location and Mutsuki torps is laughable but the rest looks pretty good. It better be amazing to be in the same league as Amagi. Mutsuki and Mutsu are not the same ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 Thewavis Members 221 posts 5,213 battles Report post #16 Posted August 20, 2017 So now that I have looked it all over and considered the implications of this ship, this ship is a DO NOT BUY! Why? The guns are never modified by '44? Belt armor that is a 40mm thicker, which means that T7 and higher ships will still lol pen her. Secondaries with range no better than Amagi. 35 second reload which is on par with Yamato. 54 second turret traverse is plainly too slow. 1.7 Sigma rating on top of that but with a tighter dispersion than Amagi. Main gun range of only 18.5km, Amagi has 19.9 with upgrade. So far the Kii class has no advantages over an Amagi right now minus torpedo tubes and no one will take a Kii class to brawl in because belt armor is still barely 12 whole inches. Amagi with torpedo bulges included is actually 279mm (254mm belt + 25mm Torpedo Bulge = 279mm total armor.) The Kii Class is plainly a ploy to get IJN Commanders excited for a sub par tier 8 ship with no actual advantages except for the FEW battles they may go up against a CV. i would rather cut my losses in Amagi in those cases and continue to fire on the turn, Kii would not be able to do this. Fire every 28 seconds after mods. enjoy a strong secondary suit full modded to 7.5km over 30 knots speed, longer range guns and a 48% torpedo reduction bulge (which is useless against t9 & t10 torps anyways). This is my food for thought. If Wargaming is going to introduce a t8 premium battleship for Japan it needs to be slightly better than the Tech Tree equivalent with a minimum 12" belt, same guns in every way as Amagi. Sacrifice another knot of speed for torpedo bulges, eliminate torpedo's all together. If armor is not upped to 305 mm then give secondaries 10.6 km range. Those Akizuki turrets are better than 5.0km base range. That is [edited] they are rated so low when Tirpitz just got a buff to have a potential range of 10.6km like Bismarck plus 4 torpedo tubes per side while sacrificing hydro acoustic search. Wargaming, make the Kii Class what it should be, an actual upgrade to Amagi, not another hybrid unit like Mutsu and it can still perform at t8. Give her the longer range secondaries, torpedo bulges and Amagi upgraded guns, that is why people buy premium. Kill the torpedoes and knock down the speed a little more. Even 27.5 knots is acceptable for a "fast" battle ship which is only a half knot slower than Yamato. With her increased survivability she will be able to withstand the punishment. I hope most of you agree, the changes I propose are better for the Kii, puts her contemporary with Tirpitz for secondary range, less armor and speed compared to Tirpitz and no torpedoes with Amagi guns which balances these two premiums out and makes the Kii fun to play. Not every premium BB needs torpedoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
782 [NFLT] Gen_Saris Members 1,938 posts 11,155 battles Report post #17 Posted August 23, 2017 On 8/20/2017 at 9:45 AM, Thewavis said: Wargaming, make the Kii Class what it should be, an actual upgrade to Amagi, not another hybrid unit like Mutsu and it can still perform at t8. Give her the longer range secondaries, torpedo bulges and Amagi upgraded guns, that is why people buy premium. Kill the torpedoes and knock down the speed a little more. Even 27.5 knots is acceptable for a "fast" battle ship which is only a half knot slower than Yamato. With her increased survivability she will be able to withstand the punishment. I hope most of you agree, the changes I propose are better for the Kii, puts her contemporary with Tirpitz for secondary range, less armor and speed compared to Tirpitz and no torpedoes with Amagi guns which balances these two premiums out and makes the Kii fun to play. Not every premium BB needs torpedoes. 27.5kts isn't a "fast" battleship... considering Tirp does 30kts, has 10km secondaries, plus torps and good armor. A T8 Ishizuchi would be fine... a T8 Mutsu would be a disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 Thewavis Members 221 posts 5,213 battles Report post #18 Posted August 24, 2017 27.5 is a half not slower than Yamato and she was not a slow BB just not fast enough for a CV group. The rating of a fast BB was changed in US nomenclature by the Iowa class but to other navies 27 to 28 knots was considered fast for a BB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7 [SNGNS] I_HATE_CVs Members 88 posts Report post #19 Posted August 24, 2017 is a premium Amagi basicly?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
23 [RST] Shadewe Members 184 posts 30,375 battles Report post #20 Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/20/2017 at 6:45 AM, Thewavis said: Wargaming, make the Kii Class what it should be, an actual upgrade to Amagi, not another hybrid unit like Mutsu and it can still perform at t8. Give her the longer range secondaries, torpedo bulges and Amagi upgraded guns, that is why people buy premium. Kill the torpedoes and knock down the speed a little more. Even 27.5 knots is acceptable for a "fast" battle ship which is only a half knot slower than Yamato. With her increased survivability she will be able to withstand the punishment. I hope most of you agree, the changes I propose are better for the Kii, puts her contemporary with Tirpitz for secondary range, less armor and speed compared to Tirpitz and no torpedoes with Amagi guns which balances these two premiums out and makes the Kii fun to play. Not every premium BB needs torpedoes. Well if they actually use the real ship specs. For Japan's ships it was considered a "Fast Battleship" IT should be going 29.75knts. I am curious if they will get the proper numbers correct. Type: Fast battleship Speed: 29.75 knots (55.10 km/h; 34.24 mph) Armament: 5 × twin 41 cm (16 in) guns 16 × single 14 cm guns 4 × single 12 cm AA guns 8 × 61 cm (24 in) torpedo tubes Armor: Waterline belt: 292 mm (11.5 in) Deck: 120 mm (4.7 in) Barbettes: 280–229 mm (11.0–9.0 in) Conning tower: 356 mm (14.0 in) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
177 LastSamurai714 Members 513 posts 10,245 battles Report post #21 Posted August 28, 2017 If they bring the gunnery in line with Amagi, add more as and cut a little speed...I'm in. I'm not giving up main battery stats for AA. No deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
172 BrianDavion Members 944 posts 2,251 battles Report post #22 Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 1:14 PM, Gen_Saris said: 27.5kts isn't a "fast" battleship... considering Tirp does 30kts, has 10km secondaries, plus torps and good armor. A T8 Ishizuchi would be fine... a T8 Mutsu would be a disaster. generally 25 knots or up is considered "fast battleship" territory, historicly speaking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 Thewavis Members 221 posts 5,213 battles Report post #23 Posted August 30, 2017 Kii is a watered down Amagi and only good for CV battles. Main guns have 1.5 km less range than Amagi and has longer reload time plus 0.1 less sigma (Amagi is 1.8, Kii to have 1.7) makes it a poor BB IMO. 1.7 works on a twelve gun ship more so than a 10 gun ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,967 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway Members 39,333 posts 31,553 battles Report post #24 Posted September 2, 2017 Saw one yesterday that was on my team. Didn't watch it in action, was on the other side of the map. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33 Maetel Beta Testers 297 posts 2,039 battles Report post #25 Posted September 6, 2017 I was in a battle with 2 of them on my team . I just want one so bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
